Important Change To Ten Club Membership Benefits

deadendp said:

EvieVedder said:

I hope all the people declaring that they're cancelling their auto renewals are ahead of me on the seniority list!

Sent my buddy a message yesterday. "We're moving on up!" 

But does seniority even really matter any more? Granted, I haven't gotten jack out of my membership in years other than the singles since PJ hardly plays in California, but I seem to recall the last time they did back in '13 all members are basically equal in the ticket lottery for GA...I got one show I asked for, not another...my number is pretty low (since '95), but does that even really matter anymore the way they seem to do things now?

willbarclay said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

He's calling people losers like he's in a Mean Girls movie...

yeah, didn't really mean to reopen that box. don't really want to get this thread locked. #sorry

Honestly, what he said was 100% Bang on.

Although it would have been better coming out of someone else's mouth, but still true.

There has been to much whining and complaining around here for a long time.

the point isn't if what he was said was accurate or not. some things just shouldn't be said by a business head about their customers. 

Did I just spot a Spacy STAYSEA!?!

YO!!

It's been a while since i've logged in here, but this news has me pretty down.  As a member of the fan club since '93 I remember that first single showing up and thinking "what the f*ck did I get in the mail??"  I had no idea it was coming, nor did my family have a turntable in the house at the time.  Decades later I've been collecting vinyl since the late 90's thanks for these very same xmas singles (yes they are "xmas singles").  The singles were the impetus for me to get into collecting and it's brought me years of obsession and joy and it certainly is a sad day that this part of the ten club is no longer going to continue.

My fandom has waned in recent years, and this certainly puts into question why I stay in the ten club.  But at least I get a tshirt.... right? Or is a pile of useless stickers again?  I guess I'll hang around for a bit longer.

Thanks Pearl Jam/10C...It has been a great run.  Further, you owe me nothing save two annual singles from years past that have already been paid for.  Maybe a track of Mike noodling, Eddie throwing axes, Stone cleaning his coffee mug from PJ20, or even Dennis Rodman leaving the band another voicemail would be fine.  No pressure.  
#reconsider?
#rememberwhenPJwasFun

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

^^^

Fair enough, but right now the 'assholes' complaining have a legitimate complaint. It might not be incumbent on a business to just take that, but it is incumbent on a business to at least resemble a business with regards to its practices lest they want the reputation of being shoddy.

They were a week short of falling three years behind on their end of the deal they developed for their fans and members of the 10C. And instead of getting to work and fulfilling their commitment... they pack it in without even having a plan moving forward from that. 

You can't have it both ways. If 10C management can call incessant complainers 'assholes' when they are being assholes... then disappointed consumers who have been shortchanged can- at a minimum- call them 'poor'.

Edit: this was in response to bazzer's post if it wasn't clear.

It's actually not. Businesses can run themselves as they see fit. Shoddily run business don't usually last long. 10C have the enviable position of having a tied customer base. They would have to do a really terrible job to lose all their customers.

People see things different ways. As I see it, they are "only" 1 year behind on the 2017 single and barely behind on 2018. You can shift the due date for those to the start of the year if you want, but that still wouldn't have made the 2017 single three years overdue. It's dumb that we haven't got 2017 already, 2018 should be out but they hardly ever came out before the end of the year, so it's not so bad. I just don't get the hyperbolic rhetoric that comes from some people.

Of course, it's legitimate to complain but eventually, if nothing else changes, you have to do something about it. A lot of the most vocal complainers will never take the one powerful action they have, leave. So it's just a bunch of empty belly-aching that accomplished nothing. Some of its constructive, sure, and I like to think 10C takes some of it on board (you can see it in some of the changes they've made - and subsequently been criticised for).

For clarity, wasn't the "asshole" comment about people bitching about other people's art? Armchair critics are the worst. Harp on about how people run their business if you like, but if people are creating art and you don't like it, just ignore it. Seems easy right? No one makes you buy, look at it, listen to it etc.

bazzer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

^^^

Fair enough, but right now the 'assholes' complaining have a legitimate complaint. It might not be incumbent on a business to just take that, but it is incumbent on a business to at least resemble a business with regards to its practices lest they want the reputation of being shoddy.

They were a week short of falling three years behind on their end of the deal they developed for their fans and members of the 10C. And instead of getting to work and fulfilling their commitment... they pack it in without even having a plan moving forward from that. 

You can't have it both ways. If 10C management can call incessant complainers 'assholes' when they are being assholes... then disappointed consumers who have been shortchanged can- at a minimum- call them 'poor'.

Edit: this was in response to bazzer's post if it wasn't clear.

It's actually not. Businesses can run themselves as they see fit. Shoddily run business don't usually last long. 10C have the enviable position of having a tied customer base. They would have to do a really terrible job to lose all their customers.

People see things different ways. As I see it, they are "only" 1 year behind on the 2017 single and barely behind on 2018. You can shift the due date for those to the start of the year if you want, but that still wouldn't have made the 2017 single three years overdue. It's dumb that we haven't got 2017 already, 2018 should be out but they hardly ever came out before the end of the year, so it's not so bad. I just don't get the hyperbolic rhetoric that comes from some people.

Of course, it's legitimate to complain but eventually, if nothing else changes, you have to do something about it. A lot of the most vocal complainers will never take the one powerful action they have, leave. So it's just a bunch of empty belly-aching that accomplished nothing. Some of its constructive, sure, and I like to think 10C takes some of it on board (you can see it in some of the changes they've made - and subsequently been criticised for).

For clarity, wasn't the "asshole" comment about people bitching about other people's art? Armchair critics are the worst. Harp on about how people run their business if you like, but if people are creating art and you don't like it, just ignore it. Seems easy right? No one makes you buy, look at it, listen to it etc.

Of course any business can run itself any way they want. You missed the 'lest they want the reputation of being shoddy' part to my post.

I'm not really down on the 10C. The announcement hasn't hurt my feelings or made me angry. If I ever get the two singles owed to me great! If not... oh well. To be honest... I never (and I mean never) listen to them. Not even once.

I switched to digital just prior to the announcement because I still want access to 10C tix in the event they tour any time soon and the 10C has always come through for me in that regard. 

I think armchair critics at least allow for some level of discourse. If there was no voice of dissent, this place would be pretty vanilla. I enjoy the 'which album is better' and 'which setlist is better' and (most relevant) 'which poster is better' discussions.

That being said... there is a little too much venom spit at some art and some artists in habitual fashion. Regardless, one can follow your advice when the heightened levels of criticism present themselves: just ignore it. Seems easy right? No one makes you agree with it or respond to it, etc.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

willbarclay said:

But Bazzer wasn't talking about the yearly single. Lol

Well duh. What's your point?

Easy partner. My point was that we were discussing something unrelated to the yearly single and that's where you took this to.
I guess it's just the hot topic right now. 

I agree that a manager of a fan club has no business calling out anyone here and should have kept his mouth shut. 
Having said that, I still find it funny and agree with what he said.