Cancel Auto-renew or membership completely?

sxwxgirl1 · January 2019

Decided for now just to cancel my auto-renew until they figure this s*** out. As mentioned my renew is this month. Not going to pay the same amount and actually have things taken away. In addition hate the shirt again for this year, not much incentive.

DukeSpirit · January 2019

I went to digital years ago. Never cared for the shirts and extras you get. I joined because of the yearly single. Now I basicslly just renew to keep my seniority and get the occasional ticket.

CJ260717 · January 2019

drakeheuer14 said:

I’m kind of looking forward to the changes they bring. All I ask is they don’t drag their feet and they put a little bit of effort into whatever is next. Excited though.

I think you may be disappointed looking forward. This IS the change. Nothing new of worth will happen I believe. They probably want members to go to digital because they are losing $$ on Analog and they can't get it right even if they tried.

brewdog123 · January 2019

CJ260717 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

I’m kind of looking forward to the changes they bring. All I ask is they don’t drag their feet and they put a little bit of effort into whatever is next. Excited though.

I think you may be disappointed looking forward. This IS the change. Nothing new of worth will happen I believe. They probably want members to go to digital because they are losing $$ on Analog and they can't get it right even if they tried.

this seems right

mace1229 · January 2019

I see no reason to cancel completely. If the 7" makes you cancel, then that means you've been paying $40 for a $10 vinyl.
Switch to digital.
I doubt this will happen, but what 10c should do is allow everyone to re-evaluate their membership after the next update, either switch to digital or analog once all the differences are made clear. It does suck that they made that announcement just days before the year ended when there are some who have no idea what each membership package means now. I'd be frustrated if I kept analog only to find I paid the extra cash for a hard copy of Deep, but I'd also be frustrated if I switch to digital then they announce some new cool item that replaces the vinyl. Which is why they should allow those who renew this month the ability to change. But I would expect another 72-show tour before that happens.

PJ_Soul · January 2019

I'd pay $20/year just for access to the forum TBH. I wouldn't want to, but I still would. So $20 for that plus the presales plus the limited members only vinyl sales (although those are few and far between these days) is well worth it. What I don't get is why they don't also include a digital download of a boot once a year to digital members. Digital Download. Digital membership. It seems almost illogical not to put these two things together. I know why they don't do it ($$$), but it just seems lame to me.

Spiritual_Chaos · January 2019

We didn't have to pay for the forum once upon a time

PJ_Soul · January 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

We didn't have to pay for the forum once upon a time

I know... I wouldn't mind if it went back to public, just because I'm a "the more the merrier" kind of person. But I get why they stopped that. It must have been a nightmare to moderate.

theebradness · January 2019

I dropped to digital as analog has no meaning anymore. I still want better tickets and $20 a year is nothing for that luxury.

Kel Varnsen · January 2019

Zod said:

MedozK said:

If every member went digital and 10C lost half their revenue... you think they would take notice? Lol, only way businesses take things seriously is when you start messing with their bottom line.

Actually... I'm not sure they make that much off my extra $30 for Analog. I live in Canada. They have to mail me tshirt and then a newsletter/single package. I have to assume it at least costs them $10 to mail me each item. So $20 of that $30 goes shipping which leaves about $10 for creating the tshirt/single/newsletter.

I think it's the first $20 that's gravy for them. I don't think they keep much from the extra $20/$30 from Analog.

Keep in mid there are also years when they don't send out a single or deep magazine. So us Canadians pay a premium to to allow for shipping of 1 item.

mace1229 · January 2019

Kel Varnsen said:

Zod said:

MedozK said:

If every member went digital and 10C lost half their revenue... you think they would take notice? Lol, only way businesses take things seriously is when you start messing with their bottom line.

Actually... I'm not sure they make that much off my extra $30 for Analog. I live in Canada. They have to mail me tshirt and then a newsletter/single package. I have to assume it at least costs them $10 to mail me each item. So $20 of that $30 goes shipping which leaves about $10 for creating the tshirt/single/newsletter.

I think it's the first $20 that's gravy for them. I don't think they keep much from the extra $20/$30 from Analog.

Keep in mid there are also years when they don't send out a single or deep magazine. So us Canadians pay a premium to to allow for shipping of 1 item.

Sort of. They will eventually fulfill that obligation (at least I have no doubt they will). So even if they are behind, they will eventually send it.
Now I also don't believe shipping costs nearly what they charge. A very small business that ships a few hundred items a year can get significant discounts on shipping. I can ship a small bike for almost what they charge us shipping on the vaults. I'm sure they have decent shipping rates. In the US I'd be surprised if they spent more than $5 total on shipping everything included, if even that much. I'd maybe double that for Canada shipping.

darthvedder · January 2019

PJ_Soul said:

I'd pay $20/year just for access to the forum TBH. I wouldn't want to, but I still would. So $20 for that plus the presales plus the limited members only vinyl sales (although those are few and far between these days) is well worth it. What I don't get is why they don't also include a digital download of a boot once a year to digital members. Digital Download. Digital membership. It seems almost illogical not to put these two things together. I know why they don't do it ($$$), but it just seems lame to me.

It never made much sense to me why they included a digital download with the analog membership, either.

Zod · January 2019

Kel Varnsen said:

Zod said:

MedozK said:

If every member went digital and 10C lost half their revenue... you think they would take notice? Lol, only way businesses take things seriously is when you start messing with their bottom line.

Actually... I'm not sure they make that much off my extra $30 for Analog. I live in Canada. They have to mail me tshirt and then a newsletter/single package. I have to assume it at least costs them $10 to mail me each item. So $20 of that $30 goes shipping which leaves about $10 for creating the tshirt/single/newsletter.

I think it's the first $20 that's gravy for them. I don't think they keep much from the extra $20/$30 from Analog.

Keep in mid there are also years when they don't send out a single or deep magazine. So us Canadians pay a premium to to allow for shipping of 1 item.

Sort of. They were supposed to, and it sounds like they plan on sending them out (albeit, quite late). I don't think they're shorting us the two singles/newsletters. They'll show up (eventually).

Zod · January 2019

darthvedder said:

PJ_Soul said:

I'd pay $20/year just for access to the forum TBH. I wouldn't want to, but I still would. So $20 for that plus the presales plus the limited members only vinyl sales (although those are few and far between these days) is well worth it. What I don't get is why they don't also include a digital download of a boot once a year to digital members. Digital Download. Digital membership. It seems almost illogical not to put these two things together. I know why they don't do it ($$$), but it just seems lame to me.

It never made much sense to me why they included a digital download with the analog membership, either.

I didn't think it was a bad perk, but I thought it was a bit cheap that it was for the lowest quality (mp3). Then tried to ding you for an extra $5 for flac. Would of been way cooler, if it worked for FLAC or even 1 show in cd format from nugs.

PJWGIII · January 2019

drakeheuer14 said:

I’m kind of looking forward to the changes they bring. All I ask is they don’t drag their feet and they put a little bit of effort into whatever is next. Excited though.

Exactly. I hope they figure out what those things are ASAP so the Analog members will stay analog.

RYME · January 2019

My renewal date was today. I just downgraded it to digital a week or so ago.
But now at least I can continue to chat with you fine people for another year regardless of what they do.

brianlux · January 2019

RYME said:

My renewal date was today. I just downgraded it to digital a week or so ago.
But now at least I can continue to chat with you fine people for another year regardless of what they do.

That's great RYME and I can see why some would stay on for that.

I'm seriously considering not renewing for these reasons:

I'm not a digital kind of guy.

I almost never download digital music.

The annual single is kaput.

The analog member t-shirts are awful and I never wear them.

I glance at the Deep magazine but never read it (most of it is difficult to read anyway).

So for me, all the 20 or 40 bucks only buys me the privilege to post on these forms. I've enjoyed that a lot. But pay to post on a forum? I don't do that anywhere else. I don't even know of any place on the internet where one has to pay to post. 10C has become a let down. Bummer.

RYME · January 2019

I wrestled with that the last few weeks.
I would just bet that, the day after I don't renew is the day they announce a tour that goes through my backyard like Alpine Valley or Milwaukee's new Fiserv Forum then there I'd be not eligible. So I'll hang in there another year & see what happens.
If they do nothing or another baseball stadium limited tour this will probably be it.

wiscojam · January 2019

Easiest $20 decision ever. An unwearable t-shirt, digital bootleg download (of which I'm at least 3 codes behind in using) and a hard copy magazine which is now 2 years behind.

Hmmm, let me think about that.......

PureandEasy · January 2019

We're a community, and we all have our preferences. I personally like the t-shirts, received a lot 45 vinyl with no ability to play them, decided to donate them to Wishlist parties. It's a community, $40 a year for me, as long as I get my ticket presale, I'm good. If that also provides the opportunity to get a t-shirt, downloads, info on poster sales, I'm good. It is sad to hear the 10club holiday release is ending but I see no reason to end membership. I apologize if I'm wrong, but if you're considering not renewing your membership because of the end of the holiday release, then it sounds like you may just be a collector and not a fan of the band.

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