Animals in Captivity

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion mauls a zookeeper to death in Mexico.

    The lion was 22 years old. After the zookeeper failed to properly secure a gate, the lion pried it open and attacked the guy.

    Curious behaviour in a way: I would never underestimate the carnivorous behaviour of such an animal, but after spending so long in the enclosure and being cared for... one might think the lion wouldn't be super eager to attack and kill it's caregiver.

    I've seen lions be much more loving- even after released into the wild and reunited with their caregivers. Something inside me thinks the animal isn't digging his existence.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lion-mauls-zookeeper-to-death-after-cage-was-left-unlocked/ar-BBKryWE?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp
    Look at it this way, Thirty.  If I locked you in a cage and let hundreds or even thousands of people gawk at you everyday and I forgot to lock the gate one day, what would you do?

    All kidding aside, I'm for closing all zoos except petting zoos for domesticate animals and using all the money that goes to support them to buy up and create habitat for wild life.

    I get it for sure.

    I'm thinking aquariums and zoos have got to be reaching their expiration dates.

    You wanna see lions? Get on a safari with your camera and go see them.

    Depressing.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion mauls a zookeeper to death in Mexico.

    The lion was 22 years old. After the zookeeper failed to properly secure a gate, the lion pried it open and attacked the guy.

    Curious behaviour in a way: I would never underestimate the carnivorous behaviour of such an animal, but after spending so long in the enclosure and being cared for... one might think the lion wouldn't be super eager to attack and kill it's caregiver.

    I've seen lions be much more loving- even after released into the wild and reunited with their caregivers. Something inside me thinks the animal isn't digging his existence.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lion-mauls-zookeeper-to-death-after-cage-was-left-unlocked/ar-BBKryWE?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp
    Look at it this way, Thirty.  If I locked you in a cage and let hundreds or even thousands of people gawk at you everyday and I forgot to lock the gate one day, what would you do?

    All kidding aside, I'm for closing all zoos except petting zoos for domesticate animals and using all the money that goes to support them to buy up and create habitat for wild life.

    I get it for sure.

    I'm thinking aquariums and zoos have got to be reaching their expiration dates.

    You wanna see lions? Get on a safari with your camera and go see them.

    Depressing.
    I hear you.  Thing is, as a kid I loved going to the zoo.  What did I know- I was a kid.  My thinking started to change back in my late 20's when I was visiting the San Fransisco Zoo on Sloat Blvd.   I was checking out one of the ape cages (back when they were smaller enclosures- they are much larger areas now).  One of these primates (ape? chimp? can't remember) went  into their wooden house and start slowing beating on the floor and then beating faster and faster and the thumped, one-two-three beats on the floor, and she ran out, jumping up on the bars and spit right in my face. 

    OK!  I get it! 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    i fucking hate zoos. i know my wife loves taking the kids, but i am vehemently opposed to it. they are right up there with circuses. 
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  • brianlux
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i fucking hate zoos. i know my wife loves taking the kids, but i am vehemently opposed to it. they are right up there with circuses. 
    Yes again!  Circuses mistreatment of elephants is what prompted us to do our little bit to support the Elephant  Sanctuary in Tennessee There are others closer to home that I didn't know about until later but we've stayed with the one in TN because we feel like we know some of the elephants there from reading there stories for years.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion mauls a zookeeper to death in Mexico.

    The lion was 22 years old. After the zookeeper failed to properly secure a gate, the lion pried it open and attacked the guy.

    Curious behaviour in a way: I would never underestimate the carnivorous behaviour of such an animal, but after spending so long in the enclosure and being cared for... one might think the lion wouldn't be super eager to attack and kill it's caregiver.

    I've seen lions be much more loving- even after released into the wild and reunited with their caregivers. Something inside me thinks the animal isn't digging his existence.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lion-mauls-zookeeper-to-death-after-cage-was-left-unlocked/ar-BBKryWE?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp
    Look at it this way, Thirty.  If I locked you in a cage and let hundreds or even thousands of people gawk at you everyday and I forgot to lock the gate one day, what would you do?

    All kidding aside, I'm for closing all zoos except petting zoos for domesticate animals and using all the money that goes to support them to buy up and create habitat for wild life.

    I get it for sure.

    I'm thinking aquariums and zoos have got to be reaching their expiration dates.

    You wanna see lions? Get on a safari with your camera and go see them.

    Depressing.
    I hear you.  Thing is, as a kid I loved going to the zoo.  What did I know- I was a kid.  My thinking started to change back in my late 20's when I was visiting the San Fransisco Zoo on Sloat Blvd.   I was checking out one of the ape cages (back when they were smaller enclosures- they are much larger areas now).  One of these primates (ape? chimp? can't remember) went  into their wooden house and start slowing beating on the floor and then beating faster and faster and the thumped, one-two-three beats on the floor, and she ran out, jumping up on the bars and spit right in my face. 

    OK!  I get it! 

    I remember going to Sealand in Victoria as a kid. I was pretty fired up.

    The big ticket item- the killer whale- was disappointing. I anticipated a magnificent animal... and saw a beaten down, melancholy one with a bent dorsal fin stuck in a tiny pool of water. I knew, as a young kid, how wrong that situation was.

    I've never taken my kids to a zoo or aquarium and have educated them on the reason why. They fully understand.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i fucking hate zoos. i know my wife loves taking the kids, but i am vehemently opposed to it. they are right up there with circuses. 
    Yes again!  Circuses mistreatment of elephants is what prompted us to do our little bit to support the Elephant  Sanctuary in Tennessee There are others closer to home that I didn't know about until later but we've stayed with the one in TN because we feel like we know some of the elephants there from reading there stories for years.
    I probably mentioned this in this thread a while back, but man, I will always feel guilty about the time I took my daughter to the circus and rode an elephant with her. how humiliating for that poor, beautiful animal. 

    I also try to educate my kids on the horrors of non-conservational captivity, yet the daycare they go to (my wife's) still make zoo trips. so it's confusing for them. and our zoo is getting more and more funding and getting bigger and bigger. the anti-zoo movement isn't gaining traction like I thought it might with the new generation. I guess it's like anything that is introduced in childhood (like religion). 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i fucking hate zoos. i know my wife loves taking the kids, but i am vehemently opposed to it. they are right up there with circuses. 
    Yes again!  Circuses mistreatment of elephants is what prompted us to do our little bit to support the Elephant  Sanctuary in Tennessee There are others closer to home that I didn't know about until later but we've stayed with the one in TN because we feel like we know some of the elephants there from reading there stories for years.
    I probably mentioned this in this thread a while back, but man, I will always feel guilty about the time I took my daughter to the circus and rode an elephant with her. how humiliating for that poor, beautiful animal. 

    I also try to educate my kids on the horrors of non-conservational captivity, yet the daycare they go to (my wife's) still make zoo trips. so it's confusing for them. and our zoo is getting more and more funding and getting bigger and bigger. the anti-zoo movement isn't gaining traction like I thought it might with the new generation. I guess it's like anything that is introduced in childhood (like religion). 
    Zoos, like religion, embedded from childhood in our thinking as normal- never thought of it that way but that's a good analogy.  I'm very sorry to think that zoos are gaining traction rather than being phased out as they very well ought to be.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    edited March 2018
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion mauls a zookeeper to death in Mexico.

    The lion was 22 years old. After the zookeeper failed to properly secure a gate, the lion pried it open and attacked the guy.

    Curious behaviour in a way: I would never underestimate the carnivorous behaviour of such an animal, but after spending so long in the enclosure and being cared for... one might think the lion wouldn't be super eager to attack and kill it's caregiver.

    I've seen lions be much more loving- even after released into the wild and reunited with their caregivers. Something inside me thinks the animal isn't digging his existence.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lion-mauls-zookeeper-to-death-after-cage-was-left-unlocked/ar-BBKryWE?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp
    The lion must have just been biding his time.... been waiting for years for that fucker to leave the gate open, and finally his day came for him to finally exact his revenge. I feel kind of glad for the lion.
    I feel bad for the zookeeper I guess too... I mean, as you guys say, many people are brainwashed into thinking zoos are normal and that somehow the animals are in a good position there, or at least that they serve the greater good. All bullshit of course... So I find myself always rooting for the captive animals over the people keeping them captive, whatever the social norms may be.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Lion kills worker at North Carolina zoo.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/escaped-lion-kills-worker-at-north-carolina-zoo/ar-BBRCrST?ocid=spartanntp
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  • brianlux
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion kills worker at North Carolina zoo.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/escaped-lion-kills-worker-at-north-carolina-zoo/ar-BBRCrST?ocid=spartanntp
    I feel badly for the worker and family but why did they shoot the lion?  It's not the lion's fault it was able to get out and it did what came naturally to it.  So, WTF, they go and shoot it.  Bummer.   Now there's double reason this incident is tragic.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion kills worker at North Carolina zoo.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/escaped-lion-kills-worker-at-north-carolina-zoo/ar-BBRCrST?ocid=spartanntp
    I feel badly for the worker and family but why did they shoot the lion?  It's not the lion's fault it was able to get out and it did what came naturally to it.  So, WTF, they go and shoot it.  Bummer.   Now there's double reason this incident is tragic.

    They're saying attempts to sedate the animal failed and that they killed it to retrieve the body.

    A real drag (for loss of human and animal life).

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lion-attack-family-of-victim-says-she-loved-animals/ar-BBRDoNX?ocid=spartanntp
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Jason P said:


    These two beasts look like they can get themselves in some serious trouble.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion kills worker at North Carolina zoo.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/escaped-lion-kills-worker-at-north-carolina-zoo/ar-BBRCrST?ocid=spartanntp
    I feel badly for the worker and family but why did they shoot the lion?  It's not the lion's fault it was able to get out and it did what came naturally to it.  So, WTF, they go and shoot it.  Bummer.   Now there's double reason this incident is tragic.

    They're saying attempts to sedate the animal failed and that they killed it to retrieve the body.

    A real drag (for loss of human and animal life).

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lion-attack-family-of-victim-says-she-loved-animals/ar-BBRDoNX?ocid=spartanntp
    So they were able to hit it with a bullet but could not hit it with a tranquilizer gun?  That's sad.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion kills worker at North Carolina zoo.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/escaped-lion-kills-worker-at-north-carolina-zoo/ar-BBRCrST?ocid=spartanntp
    I feel badly for the worker and family but why did they shoot the lion?  It's not the lion's fault it was able to get out and it did what came naturally to it.  So, WTF, they go and shoot it.  Bummer.   Now there's double reason this incident is tragic.

    They're saying attempts to sedate the animal failed and that they killed it to retrieve the body.

    A real drag (for loss of human and animal life).

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lion-attack-family-of-victim-says-she-loved-animals/ar-BBRDoNX?ocid=spartanntp
    So they were able to hit it with a bullet but could not hit it with a tranquilizer gun?  That's sad.

    Those were my thoughts.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    edited January 2019
    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion kills worker at North Carolina zoo.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/escaped-lion-kills-worker-at-north-carolina-zoo/ar-BBRCrST?ocid=spartanntp
    I feel badly for the worker and family but why did they shoot the lion?  It's not the lion's fault it was able to get out and it did what came naturally to it.  So, WTF, they go and shoot it.  Bummer.   Now there's double reason this incident is tragic.
    Yeah really. It makes me really really mad that they killed the lion. Why don't they have tranq darts ready instead? And frankly, I much prefer the dead body to be eaten by the lion than for the lion to be killed, and yes, I'd say that even if it was my loved one's body, and most certainly my own body (I actually like the idea of my body being eaten by lions - sounds way better than being put in a hole in the ground). I can't believe that is the reason they gave for killing the poor thing. And this is yet another reason I am dead set against zoos.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited January 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Lion kills worker at North Carolina zoo.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/escaped-lion-kills-worker-at-north-carolina-zoo/ar-BBRCrST?ocid=spartanntp
    I feel badly for the worker and family but why did they shoot the lion?  It's not the lion's fault it was able to get out and it did what came naturally to it.  So, WTF, they go and shoot it.  Bummer.   Now there's double reason this incident is tragic.
    Yeah really. It makes me really really mad that they killed the lion. Why don't they have tranq darts ready instead? And frankly, I much prefer the dead body to be eaten by the lion than for the lion to be killed, and yes, I'd say that even if it was my loved one's body, and most certainly my own body (I actually like the idea of my body being eaten by lions - sounds way better than being put in a hole in the ground). I can't believe that is the reason they gave for killing the poor thing. And this is yet another reason I am dead set against zoos.

    Yes!  I would feel the same way. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    eaten by lions. we need to see that as an option at funeral homes. 
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  • brianlux
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    Eaten by lions?  Apparently it does happen:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    brianlux said:
    Eaten by lions?  Apparently it does happen:


    That is soooo awesome!

    At first, I went, "Oh no. It's Fat Bastard."

    But then I realized it wasn't the Austin Powers actor- it was just some slob that liked killing lions for fun.
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