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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Meltdown99 said:
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    List of wars involving the United States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

    I especially like the 2nd and 3rd war that was fought against first nations people...you steal their land, then slaughter them.  That is what  America's military stands for.
    Right, and perfect little Canada with our residential schools where our indigenous population was abused, raped, and regularly ‘disappeared’ for over 100 years is no cardinal sin. You just pick and choose your grievances to get up in arms over but we’re shitheads too.
    We were not discussing Canada.  I spoke out plenty about the injustices toward our first nations, both past and present.  But nice try.

    There are people in the world who see America for what it is, a bully and a dick most of the time.  This didn't start under Trump.  Like I said nice try.

    I'm not in arms over it, you are...

    If you think the west should be involved in the middle east, then go help them...

    I personally do not want Canada's soldiers involved in the middle east.  If you do, why?  
    I don’t want blanket statements about in or out - I want properly thought out and contextualized decisions about the human impact (not national) in the actions we pursue that don’t force me to say I’m for or against interventionism. I want some global empathy.

    Since you brought up land steal and slaughter, that was why I said what I did. 

    You feel American behaviours are a byproduct of an American crisis - I feel it’s a human one exacerbated by a nation with enough power to actually show those evils, and that if we had similar abilities, we’d be the ones with corruptions and global condemnations. 

    If you sign up willingly for the military, you are human capital ready to be spent in a war. A lack of volunteering would yield the results you want, as it’s akin to voting ‘no war’. If Canadian soldiers are tired of this shit, they should stop volunteering. Either the people who join the military are too stupid to see this risk in this case (in which case let’s help our overpopulation and Darwinism problem), or they want it anyways.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Meltdown99 said:
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    List of wars involving the United States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

    I especially like the 2nd and 3rd war that was fought against first nations people...you steal their land, then slaughter them.  That is what  America's military stands for.
    Right, and perfect little Canada with our residential schools where our indigenous population was abused, raped, and regularly ‘disappeared’ for over 100 years is no cardinal sin. You just pick and choose your grievances to get up in arms over but we’re shitheads too.
    Did I say that?  Someone is drunk posting.
    You didn’t say we’re shitheads - I did.
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  • Meltdown99
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    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    List of wars involving the United States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

    I especially like the 2nd and 3rd war that was fought against first nations people...you steal their land, then slaughter them.  That is what  America's military stands for.
    Right, and perfect little Canada with our residential schools where our indigenous population was abused, raped, and regularly ‘disappeared’ for over 100 years is no cardinal sin. You just pick and choose your grievances to get up in arms over but we’re shitheads too.
    We were not discussing Canada.  I spoke out plenty about the injustices toward our first nations, both past and present.  But nice try.

    There are people in the world who see America for what it is, a bully and a dick most of the time.  This didn't start under Trump.  Like I said nice try.

    I'm not in arms over it, you are...

    If you think the west should be involved in the middle east, then go help them...

    I personally do not want Canada's soldiers involved in the middle east.  If you do, why?  
    I don’t want blanket statements about in or out - I want properly thought out and contextualized decisions about the human impact (not national) in the actions we pursue that don’t force me to say I’m for or against interventionism. I want some global empathy.

    Since you brought up land steal and slaughter, that was why I said what I did. 

    You feel American behaviours are a byproduct of an American crisis - I feel it’s a human one exacerbated by a nation with enough power to actually show those evils, and that if we had similar abilities, we’d be the ones with corruptions and global condemnations. 

    If you sign up willingly for the military, you are human capital ready to be spent in a war. A lack of volunteering would yield the results you want, as it’s akin to voting ‘no war’. If Canadian soldiers are tired of this shit, they should stop volunteering. Either the people who join the military are too stupid to see this risk in this case (in which case let’s help our overpopulation and Darwinism problem), or they want it anyways.

    I've said the same about Canada, I absolutely know our first nations are treated like shit, but Ottawa continue's to fail them, time and time again.  Joining the military to protect your country is one thing, being sent off to fight in foreign against people that have no intention of harming us is not a good reason to go to war.  

    You can not even answer 2 questions.

    What is your interest in the middle east?  

    If you are panicked that 19-year-old kids are sent off to fight battles for oil, then you can head over to the middle.  You can insult, I look at where ts coming from.  A Toronto elitist.


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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Listen, I’m sorry if I insulted you, that was far from my intention.

    My interest in the Middle East is simple: there are people in need, and we are people with more power than they have. Since people volunteer their bodies to military service, I believe the ‘designers’ of military efforts ought to drive based on where the human needs are which are most likely to be impacted by the military forces at hand. And yes - I believe this should be gauged by quantity of human lives, not Canadian lives. The national security angle is that each year, it becomes easier to do more damage from further away, with less human capital investment (drone warfare etc), so I feel it would be prudent to establish global security relationships where possible. I personally believe more in the “because we should” argument but that one doesn’t sell well.

    I believe our best bet for global moral progress is with minds and souls, not fists and weapons, and I want to find a way to help with those tools. For not knowing what I can do yet, but still caring deeply about the state of affairs and looking for avenues to do good while still having this little thing called a life that I’m trying to live, I reject your elitist statement. Slow, timid, confused, overwhelmed, ineffective, and naive I’ll accept.

    One thing I’ll say, meltdown, is I appreciate you challenging me on this. I need to learn to speak less definitively and argumentatively - I like to think we’re all on team human here, just with different perspectives on how could leave our most positive marks, as individuals, nations, or humanity. 
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  • The Juggler
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    edited December 2018
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    One of few tweets I do agree with.  When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.  
    Ummm, sure.

    MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”

    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
    Yep. Just being happy about leaving without putting things into context is such a simplistic way of looking at the situation. This is a huge Christmas gift to Putin...to go along with the easing of sanctions that no one is talking about. 

    And I think most agree that we feel closer to ww3 today than two years ago now that Mattis, Tillerson, and McMaster are gone leaving Bolton as the guy who has Trump's ear on key issues...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    One of few tweets I do agree with.  When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.  
    Ummm, sure.

    MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”

    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
    Yep. Just being happy about leaving without putting things into context is such a simplistic way of looking at the situation. This is a huge Christmas gift to Putin...to go along with the easing of sanctions that no one is talking about. 

    And I think most agree that we feel closer to ww3 today than two years ago now that Mattis, Tillerson, and McMaster are gone leaving Bolton as the guy who has Trump's ear on key issues...
    Tune out the noise.
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  • ikiT
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    edited December 2018
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Tiki said:
     My 401 (K) is just fine, thank you.

    It's not gonna be.
    Ha ha. Yes it will. The stock market has outperformed bonds in every 5 year period including the Great Depression.  If you have the proper investment risk profile relative to your time to retire, yours will be fine too.   You can’t blame anyone if you’re 2-5 years from retirement and still heavily invested in stocks.  

    Good luck with that.  No ones ever lost money in the Stock Market.  After 2 years of this daily nonsense, 5 years is a LONG time. Not everyone HAS that time to wait.

    Trumpito OWES too much to RUSSIA to even be in the market.

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    This Mattis situation?  bad.
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  • mrussel1
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    edited December 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    benjs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    List of wars involving the United States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

    I especially like the 2nd and 3rd war that was fought against first nations people...you steal their land, then slaughter them.  That is what  America's military stands for.
    Right, and perfect little Canada with our residential schools where our indigenous population was abused, raped, and regularly ‘disappeared’ for over 100 years is no cardinal sin. You just pick and choose your grievances to get up in arms over but we’re shitheads too.
    We were not discussing Canada.  I spoke out plenty about the injustices toward our first nations, both past and present.  But nice try.

    There are people in the world who see America for what it is, a bully and a dick most of the time.  This didn't start under Trump.  Like I said nice try.

    I'm not in arms over it, you are...

    If you think the west should be involved in the middle east, then go help them...

    I personally do not want Canada's soldiers involved in the middle east.  If you do, why?  
    If it makes you feel better, I regret my vote for Jackson in 1828 every day.  i don't know what I was thinking.  I take full responsibility.
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  • The Juggler
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    Seems like a good way to run a country


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    Seems like a good way to run a country


    Ignore the noise.
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  • The Juggler
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    What the fuck
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    The Juggler said:
    What the fuck
    Elect a clown you get a circus.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    How did Team Trump Treason “order” Mattis to leave? Did he tweet to him, “Get out now!?” Or send Pence over to the pentagon? Or have that slimeball call him while he listened in? Such a woosie.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    How did Team Trump Treason “order” Mattis to leave? Did he tweet to him, “Get out now!?” Or send Pence over to the pentagon? Or have that slimeball call him while he listened in? Such a woosie.

    Spelling counts.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Found my answer and I haven’t had my Tim Horton’s yet.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076881816462737408
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  • njnancy
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    The Juggler said:
    What the fuck
    The Juggler said:
    What the fuck


    Trump claims that he has such great respect for the military but he refuses to visit any deployed troops because he's afraid.  He definitely did not do this in person, he is a keyboard warrior but has no actual balls when he is face to face with someone. The only reason Mattis and he were in the same room when Mattis resigned is because, after a completely farcical meeting about Syria, Mattis wrote his resignation letter, distributed 50 or so copies of it through the Pentagon and then returned to the White House and handed it to Trump in person. 

    This is another example of Trump lashing out because he feels 'dissed' without thinking through the consequences or ramifications. 

    Mattis picked February because he wanted to make sure he was present for an important meeting he didn't trust Trump to represent the military properly. 

    This is the reason that Trump did this - ' He can't handle the truth'

    Mattis' resignation letter in full

    Dear Mr President:

    I have been privileged to serve as our country’s 26th Secretary of Defense which has allowed me to serve alongside our men and women of the Department in defense of our citizens and our ideals.

    I am proud of the progress that has been made over the past two years on some of the key goals articulated in our National Defense Strategy: putting the Department on a more sound budgetary footing, improving readiness and lethality in our forces, and reforming the Department’s business practices for greater performance. Our troops continue to provide the capabilities needed to prevail in conflict and sustain strong US global influence.

    One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof.

    Similarly, I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly in tension with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model gaining veto authority over other nations’ economic, diplomatic, and security decisions to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. That is why we must use all the tools of American power to provide for the common defense.

    My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.

    Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position. The end date for my tenure is February 28, 2019, a date that should allow sufficient time for a successor to be nominated and confirmed as well as to make sure the Department’s interests are properly articulated and protected at upcoming events to include Congressional posture hearings and the NATO Defense Ministerial meeting in February. Further, that a full transition to a new Secretary of Defense occurs well in advance of the transition of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September in order to ensure stability within the Department.

    I pledge my full effort to a smooth transition that ensures the needs and interests of the 2.15 million Service Members and 732,079 civilians receive undistracted attention of the Department at all times so that they can fulfill their critical, round-the-clock mission to protect the American people.

    I very much appreciate this opportunity to serve the nation and our men and women in uniform.

    Jim N Mattis

  • dignin
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    Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held Syrian town

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkey-masses-troops-kurdish-held-syrian-town-59984033


    Apparently if I'm not ready to join the army I shouldn't worry about this.
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