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Or the 100s of foreign ISIS fighters currently held in Kurdish prisons. What happens to them? Where do they go? Get ready for a car bomb, truck through a crowd, shooting attack on a crowd or a beheading near you. But it’ll be Hillary’s fault. Oh, tune out the noise.dignin said:Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held Syrian town
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkey-masses-troops-kurdish-held-syrian-town-59984033
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Yes why should we support the allies that have helped us in the ISIS. No way that dicking your allies could ever hurt us in the future.dignin said:Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held Syrian town
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkey-masses-troops-kurdish-held-syrian-town-59984033
Apparently if I'm not ready to join the army I shouldn't worry about this.0 -
Wait..lots of stuff on this thread and the most hilarious is that France already had balls....hahahaha comedy gold on the AMT!njnancy said:
The only comment you have is that Trump made France grow balls? Trump doesn't have the balls to fire someone face to face. This is a person who has no regard for what keeps the world relatively safe.EdsonNascimento said:
What would you like explained to you? Do you know anything about history? Just want to know where I need to start.oftenreading said:
This makes less sense than a Trump tweet.EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. So Trump got France to grow balls? If nothing else, he accomplished that. Finally France didn’t run like a bunch of Italians ( note: not referring to Italian Americans. Just Italy itself that generally caves like a paper tent at the direction of a stern voice)njnancy said:
He had a phone call from Erdogan - he was given talking points by his cabinet members to follow in the call. Erdogan said to pull out your troops because we are going to make a move on the Kurds (who Erdogan considers a terrorist group although they are not).dignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:
One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
Trump was supposed to say No. We will not pull out our troops and do not make a military move on the Kurds.
Instead, Trump said Okay and wants to pull out our Marines and allow Erdogan to finally ethically cleanse the Kurds (our allies who were the people who actually fought Isis in hand to hand combat as we provided air cover and intelligence. We promised to be allied and to protect the Kurds who are responsible for being essential in reducing the amount of land that Isis controlled.
So Trump ignored his Secretary of State & other advisors - ignored his talking points and said okey dokey when Erdogan told him what to do. He is a puppet to all the strong men. Pulling out our special forces and leaving an ally to be slaughtered is unthinkable. America can no longer be trusted as a reliable ally. Not saying that we should be involved in all these areas, but this is a mission that has actually worked and since we went there and made a promise, a 'great' country would not abandon its promise to protect people who have done the dirty work of killing Isis scum.
France has already said that they will keep their troops there and the reaction around the world was one of shock. This is not something a 'great' country does.
And after cowtowing to Erdogan and saying some BS about how Russia, Iran and Syria are made that we are leaving - Putin has his year end authoritarian 'press' conference and says that 'Donald' did the right thing. But then Putin later says that Afghanistan is a place that the US should not be and lo and behold, Trump announces plans to remove our troops.
There is no way that a person can support what Trump is doing - he is flailing and disregarding any advice from advisors and not even speak to our allies or to Congress or the military. Even discussing this as if Trump is enacting a foreign policy is ridiculous. This is not normal - this is insanity and someone needs to stand up against the dangerous actions that Trump is doing with no knowledge of what the hell the circumstances or consequences are. The man doesn't have his daily briefings because they are boring - they cut into his 'executive time' of laying in bed watching the news and tweeting.
Seriously - to speak about Trump as if there is a method to his madness is missing the fact that this is all madness.
Do you care about respecting alliances and being an honest broker? Do you care about America keeping its word? Are you not alarmed at the obvious affection for dictators and disrespect for our allies and all of the institutions that have kept the world safe from a world war since the aftermath of WWII?
France already had balls. Trump is incompetent and dangerous. This isn't a game. The Secretary of Defense and the Commander in Syria have resigned because they cannot follow the orders of a person who is aligning with dictatorships and ruining our alliances. That has never happened before.
There comes a point when its not funny anymore and its not about partisanship. The time for snide comments is over and It's time for Americans to start giving a shit because we are in a crisis.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Trump has just elevated a Boeing executive to Acting Secretary of Defense and Turkey is going to murder our allies in the fight against Isis. Turkey did the same thing to the Armenians, which the US still does not recognize as an ethnic cleansing operation.dignin said:Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held Syrian town
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkey-masses-troops-kurdish-held-syrian-town-59984033
Apparently if I'm not ready to join the army I shouldn't worry about this.
Turkey has the second largest military, next to ours, I believe. Those Kurds don't stand a chance. And our military people are still there. Turkey is a member of NATO, so we can't attack them, but if they begin to slaughter our allies, how do we just stand by.
This is not about if we should be in the Middle East or not, that is a discussion that can be had in another thread. This is about the President of the USA dismantling the military hierarchy and taking orders from a dictator.
This is how terrorists are created - the US fucks people over and they want to kill us.
Besides it being WRONG.
And is he allowed to appoint someone without Senate confirmation? The government is shutdown, how is he able to do anything like this.Post edited by njnancy on0 -
Well we now know how long it takes Trump to read the resignation letters he keeps getting.
Might be interesting to see how/if Mattis responds given he won't have all the normal Trumpian NDAs etc. to worry about.0 -
I’m hoping Mattis voluntarily interviews with Team Mueller and provides notes, files, recordings, etc.Kev - Coat and Keys said:Well we now know how long it takes Trump to read the resignation letters he keeps getting.
Might be interesting to see how/if Mattis responds given he won't have all the normal Trumpian NDAs etc. to worry about.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Good to see you're focusing on the important stuff. I don't find anything hilarious about what's going on - but enjoy the destruction of our country as you laugh at one of our allies. Interesting.cincybearcat said:
Wait..lots of stuff on this thread and the most hilarious is that France already had balls....hahahaha comedy gold on the AMT!njnancy said:
The only comment you have is that Trump made France grow balls? Trump doesn't have the balls to fire someone face to face. This is a person who has no regard for what keeps the world relatively safe.EdsonNascimento said:
What would you like explained to you? Do you know anything about history? Just want to know where I need to start.oftenreading said:
This makes less sense than a Trump tweet.EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. So Trump got France to grow balls? If nothing else, he accomplished that. Finally France didn’t run like a bunch of Italians ( note: not referring to Italian Americans. Just Italy itself that generally caves like a paper tent at the direction of a stern voice)njnancy said:
He had a phone call from Erdogan - he was given talking points by his cabinet members to follow in the call. Erdogan said to pull out your troops because we are going to make a move on the Kurds (who Erdogan considers a terrorist group although they are not).dignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
Trump was supposed to say No. We will not pull out our troops and do not make a military move on the Kurds.
Instead, Trump said Okay and wants to pull out our Marines and allow Erdogan to finally ethically cleanse the Kurds (our allies who were the people who actually fought Isis in hand to hand combat as we provided air cover and intelligence. We promised to be allied and to protect the Kurds who are responsible for being essential in reducing the amount of land that Isis controlled.
So Trump ignored his Secretary of State & other advisors - ignored his talking points and said okey dokey when Erdogan told him what to do. He is a puppet to all the strong men. Pulling out our special forces and leaving an ally to be slaughtered is unthinkable. America can no longer be trusted as a reliable ally. Not saying that we should be involved in all these areas, but this is a mission that has actually worked and since we went there and made a promise, a 'great' country would not abandon its promise to protect people who have done the dirty work of killing Isis scum.
France has already said that they will keep their troops there and the reaction around the world was one of shock. This is not something a 'great' country does.
And after cowtowing to Erdogan and saying some BS about how Russia, Iran and Syria are made that we are leaving - Putin has his year end authoritarian 'press' conference and says that 'Donald' did the right thing. But then Putin later says that Afghanistan is a place that the US should not be and lo and behold, Trump announces plans to remove our troops.
There is no way that a person can support what Trump is doing - he is flailing and disregarding any advice from advisors and not even speak to our allies or to Congress or the military. Even discussing this as if Trump is enacting a foreign policy is ridiculous. This is not normal - this is insanity and someone needs to stand up against the dangerous actions that Trump is doing with no knowledge of what the hell the circumstances or consequences are. The man doesn't have his daily briefings because they are boring - they cut into his 'executive time' of laying in bed watching the news and tweeting.
Seriously - to speak about Trump as if there is a method to his madness is missing the fact that this is all madness.
Do you care about respecting alliances and being an honest broker? Do you care about America keeping its word? Are you not alarmed at the obvious affection for dictators and disrespect for our allies and all of the institutions that have kept the world safe from a world war since the aftermath of WWII?
France already had balls. Trump is incompetent and dangerous. This isn't a game. The Secretary of Defense and the Commander in Syria have resigned because they cannot follow the orders of a person who is aligning with dictatorships and ruining our alliances. That has never happened before.
There comes a point when its not funny anymore and its not about partisanship. The time for snide comments is over and It's time for Americans to start giving a shit because we are in a crisis.Post edited by njnancy on0 -
njnancy said:
Good to see you're focusing on the important stuff.cincybearcat said:
Wait..lots of stuff on this thread and the most hilarious is that France already had balls....hahahaha comedy gold on the AMT!njnancy said:
The only comment you have is that Trump made France grow balls? Trump doesn't have the balls to fire someone face to face. This is a person who has no regard for what keeps the world relatively safe.EdsonNascimento said:
What would you like explained to you? Do you know anything about history? Just want to know where I need to start.oftenreading said:
This makes less sense than a Trump tweet.EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. So Trump got France to grow balls? If nothing else, he accomplished that. Finally France didn’t run like a bunch of Italians ( note: not referring to Italian Americans. Just Italy itself that generally caves like a paper tent at the direction of a stern voice)njnancy said:
He had a phone call from Erdogan - he was given talking points by his cabinet members to follow in the call. Erdogan said to pull out your troops because we are going to make a move on the Kurds (who Erdogan considers a terrorist group although they are not).dignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
Trump was supposed to say No. We will not pull out our troops and do not make a military move on the Kurds.
Instead, Trump said Okay and wants to pull out our Marines and allow Erdogan to finally ethically cleanse the Kurds (our allies who were the people who actually fought Isis in hand to hand combat as we provided air cover and intelligence. We promised to be allied and to protect the Kurds who are responsible for being essential in reducing the amount of land that Isis controlled.
So Trump ignored his Secretary of State & other advisors - ignored his talking points and said okey dokey when Erdogan told him what to do. He is a puppet to all the strong men. Pulling out our special forces and leaving an ally to be slaughtered is unthinkable. America can no longer be trusted as a reliable ally. Not saying that we should be involved in all these areas, but this is a mission that has actually worked and since we went there and made a promise, a 'great' country would not abandon its promise to protect people who have done the dirty work of killing Isis scum.
France has already said that they will keep their troops there and the reaction around the world was one of shock. This is not something a 'great' country does.
And after cowtowing to Erdogan and saying some BS about how Russia, Iran and Syria are made that we are leaving - Putin has his year end authoritarian 'press' conference and says that 'Donald' did the right thing. But then Putin later says that Afghanistan is a place that the US should not be and lo and behold, Trump announces plans to remove our troops.
There is no way that a person can support what Trump is doing - he is flailing and disregarding any advice from advisors and not even speak to our allies or to Congress or the military. Even discussing this as if Trump is enacting a foreign policy is ridiculous. This is not normal - this is insanity and someone needs to stand up against the dangerous actions that Trump is doing with no knowledge of what the hell the circumstances or consequences are. The man doesn't have his daily briefings because they are boring - they cut into his 'executive time' of laying in bed watching the news and tweeting.
Seriously - to speak about Trump as if there is a method to his madness is missing the fact that this is all madness.
Do you care about respecting alliances and being an honest broker? Do you care about America keeping its word? Are you not alarmed at the obvious affection for dictators and disrespect for our allies and all of the institutions that have kept the world safe from a world war since the aftermath of WWII?
France already had balls. Trump is incompetent and dangerous. This isn't a game. The Secretary of Defense and the Commander in Syria have resigned because they cannot follow the orders of a person who is aligning with dictatorships and ruining our alliances. That has never happened before.
There comes a point when its not funny anymore and its not about partisanship. The time for snide comments is over and It's time for Americans to start giving a shit because we are in a crisis.
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We have you here for that.njnancy said:
Good to see you're focusing on the important stuff.cincybearcat said:
Wait..lots of stuff on this thread and the most hilarious is that France already had balls....hahahaha comedy gold on the AMT!njnancy said:
The only comment you have is that Trump made France grow balls? Trump doesn't have the balls to fire someone face to face. This is a person who has no regard for what keeps the world relatively safe.EdsonNascimento said:
What would you like explained to you? Do you know anything about history? Just want to know where I need to start.oftenreading said:
This makes less sense than a Trump tweet.EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. So Trump got France to grow balls? If nothing else, he accomplished that. Finally France didn’t run like a bunch of Italians ( note: not referring to Italian Americans. Just Italy itself that generally caves like a paper tent at the direction of a stern voice)njnancy said:
He had a phone call from Erdogan - he was given talking points by his cabinet members to follow in the call. Erdogan said to pull out your troops because we are going to make a move on the Kurds (who Erdogan considers a terrorist group although they are not).dignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
Trump was supposed to say No. We will not pull out our troops and do not make a military move on the Kurds.
Instead, Trump said Okay and wants to pull out our Marines and allow Erdogan to finally ethically cleanse the Kurds (our allies who were the people who actually fought Isis in hand to hand combat as we provided air cover and intelligence. We promised to be allied and to protect the Kurds who are responsible for being essential in reducing the amount of land that Isis controlled.
So Trump ignored his Secretary of State & other advisors - ignored his talking points and said okey dokey when Erdogan told him what to do. He is a puppet to all the strong men. Pulling out our special forces and leaving an ally to be slaughtered is unthinkable. America can no longer be trusted as a reliable ally. Not saying that we should be involved in all these areas, but this is a mission that has actually worked and since we went there and made a promise, a 'great' country would not abandon its promise to protect people who have done the dirty work of killing Isis scum.
France has already said that they will keep their troops there and the reaction around the world was one of shock. This is not something a 'great' country does.
And after cowtowing to Erdogan and saying some BS about how Russia, Iran and Syria are made that we are leaving - Putin has his year end authoritarian 'press' conference and says that 'Donald' did the right thing. But then Putin later says that Afghanistan is a place that the US should not be and lo and behold, Trump announces plans to remove our troops.
There is no way that a person can support what Trump is doing - he is flailing and disregarding any advice from advisors and not even speak to our allies or to Congress or the military. Even discussing this as if Trump is enacting a foreign policy is ridiculous. This is not normal - this is insanity and someone needs to stand up against the dangerous actions that Trump is doing with no knowledge of what the hell the circumstances or consequences are. The man doesn't have his daily briefings because they are boring - they cut into his 'executive time' of laying in bed watching the news and tweeting.
Seriously - to speak about Trump as if there is a method to his madness is missing the fact that this is all madness.
Do you care about respecting alliances and being an honest broker? Do you care about America keeping its word? Are you not alarmed at the obvious affection for dictators and disrespect for our allies and all of the institutions that have kept the world safe from a world war since the aftermath of WWII?
France already had balls. Trump is incompetent and dangerous. This isn't a game. The Secretary of Defense and the Commander in Syria have resigned because they cannot follow the orders of a person who is aligning with dictatorships and ruining our alliances. That has never happened before.
There comes a point when its not funny anymore and its not about partisanship. The time for snide comments is over and It's time for Americans to start giving a shit because we are in a crisis.
I just went back to the syria thread of old to see who was for getting out...be interesting to see some of those people give trump credit here. I’m waiting for it.
im slightly torn because I do think the us has military leaders and political leaders hell bent on lots of war. That said I believe this pullout is not the correct decision. I think setting the goal, and leaving wants goal is achieved is appropriate, and I think we are close but not done with the goal.
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By the way, if it wasn’t important why did you feel the need to defend France and their amazing military?njnancy said:
Good to see you're focusing on the important stuff. I don't find anything hilarious about what's going on - but enjoy the destruction of our country as you laugh at one of our allies. Interesting.cincybearcat said:
Wait..lots of stuff on this thread and the most hilarious is that France already had balls....hahahaha comedy gold on the AMT!njnancy said:
The only comment you have is that Trump made France grow balls? Trump doesn't have the balls to fire someone face to face. This is a person who has no regard for what keeps the world relatively safe.EdsonNascimento said:
What would you like explained to you? Do you know anything about history? Just want to know where I need to start.oftenreading said:
This makes less sense than a Trump tweet.EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. So Trump got France to grow balls? If nothing else, he accomplished that. Finally France didn’t run like a bunch of Italians ( note: not referring to Italian Americans. Just Italy itself that generally caves like a paper tent at the direction of a stern voice)njnancy said:
He had a phone call from Erdogan - he was given talking points by his cabinet members to follow in the call. Erdogan said to pull out your troops because we are going to make a move on the Kurds (who Erdogan considers a terrorist group although they are not).dignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
Trump was supposed to say No. We will not pull out our troops and do not make a military move on the Kurds.
Instead, Trump said Okay and wants to pull out our Marines and allow Erdogan to finally ethically cleanse the Kurds (our allies who were the people who actually fought Isis in hand to hand combat as we provided air cover and intelligence. We promised to be allied and to protect the Kurds who are responsible for being essential in reducing the amount of land that Isis controlled.
So Trump ignored his Secretary of State & other advisors - ignored his talking points and said okey dokey when Erdogan told him what to do. He is a puppet to all the strong men. Pulling out our special forces and leaving an ally to be slaughtered is unthinkable. America can no longer be trusted as a reliable ally. Not saying that we should be involved in all these areas, but this is a mission that has actually worked and since we went there and made a promise, a 'great' country would not abandon its promise to protect people who have done the dirty work of killing Isis scum.
France has already said that they will keep their troops there and the reaction around the world was one of shock. This is not something a 'great' country does.
And after cowtowing to Erdogan and saying some BS about how Russia, Iran and Syria are made that we are leaving - Putin has his year end authoritarian 'press' conference and says that 'Donald' did the right thing. But then Putin later says that Afghanistan is a place that the US should not be and lo and behold, Trump announces plans to remove our troops.
There is no way that a person can support what Trump is doing - he is flailing and disregarding any advice from advisors and not even speak to our allies or to Congress or the military. Even discussing this as if Trump is enacting a foreign policy is ridiculous. This is not normal - this is insanity and someone needs to stand up against the dangerous actions that Trump is doing with no knowledge of what the hell the circumstances or consequences are. The man doesn't have his daily briefings because they are boring - they cut into his 'executive time' of laying in bed watching the news and tweeting.
Seriously - to speak about Trump as if there is a method to his madness is missing the fact that this is all madness.
Do you care about respecting alliances and being an honest broker? Do you care about America keeping its word? Are you not alarmed at the obvious affection for dictators and disrespect for our allies and all of the institutions that have kept the world safe from a world war since the aftermath of WWII?
France already had balls. Trump is incompetent and dangerous. This isn't a game. The Secretary of Defense and the Commander in Syria have resigned because they cannot follow the orders of a person who is aligning with dictatorships and ruining our alliances. That has never happened before.
There comes a point when its not funny anymore and its not about partisanship. The time for snide comments is over and It's time for Americans to start giving a shit because we are in a crisis.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Someone said that Trump made France grow balls. I said they already had balls. I didn't say they had an amazing military. They however are an ally and I guess it is in vogue to trash our allies. If you had actually read the entire dialogue, you would have understood that. France has stood by our side in many fights, they have not in others. At least their leader understands that massacres are disgraceful.cincybearcat said:
By the way, if it wasn’t important why did you feel the need to defend France and their amazing military?njnancy said:
Good to see you're focusing on the important stuff. I don't find anything hilarious about what's going on - but enjoy the destruction of our country as you laugh at one of our allies. Interesting.cincybearcat said:
Wait..lots of stuff on this thread and the most hilarious is that France already had balls....hahahaha comedy gold on the AMT!njnancy said:
The only comment you have is that Trump made France grow balls? Trump doesn't have the balls to fire someone face to face. This is a person who has no regard for what keeps the world relatively safe.EdsonNascimento said:
What would you like explained to you? Do you know anything about history? Just want to know where I need to start.oftenreading said:
This makes less sense than a Trump tweet.EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. So Trump got France to grow balls? If nothing else, he accomplished that. Finally France didn’t run like a bunch of Italians ( note: not referring to Italian Americans. Just Italy itself that generally caves like a paper tent at the direction of a stern voice)njnancy said:
He had a phone call from Erdogan - he was given talking points by his cabinet members to follow in the call. Erdogan said to pull out your troops because we are going to make a move on the Kurds (who Erdogan considers a terrorist group although they are not).dignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
Trump was supposed to say No. We will not pull out our troops and do not make a military move on the Kurds.
Instead, Trump said Okay and wants to pull out our Marines and allow Erdogan to finally ethically cleanse the Kurds (our allies who were the people who actually fought Isis in hand to hand combat as we provided air cover and intelligence. We promised to be allied and to protect the Kurds who are responsible for being essential in reducing the amount of land that Isis controlled.
So Trump ignored his Secretary of State & other advisors - ignored his talking points and said okey dokey when Erdogan told him what to do. He is a puppet to all the strong men. Pulling out our special forces and leaving an ally to be slaughtered is unthinkable. America can no longer be trusted as a reliable ally. Not saying that we should be involved in all these areas, but this is a mission that has actually worked and since we went there and made a promise, a 'great' country would not abandon its promise to protect people who have done the dirty work of killing Isis scum.
France has already said that they will keep their troops there and the reaction around the world was one of shock. This is not something a 'great' country does.
And after cowtowing to Erdogan and saying some BS about how Russia, Iran and Syria are made that we are leaving - Putin has his year end authoritarian 'press' conference and says that 'Donald' did the right thing. But then Putin later says that Afghanistan is a place that the US should not be and lo and behold, Trump announces plans to remove our troops.
There is no way that a person can support what Trump is doing - he is flailing and disregarding any advice from advisors and not even speak to our allies or to Congress or the military. Even discussing this as if Trump is enacting a foreign policy is ridiculous. This is not normal - this is insanity and someone needs to stand up against the dangerous actions that Trump is doing with no knowledge of what the hell the circumstances or consequences are. The man doesn't have his daily briefings because they are boring - they cut into his 'executive time' of laying in bed watching the news and tweeting.
Seriously - to speak about Trump as if there is a method to his madness is missing the fact that this is all madness.
Do you care about respecting alliances and being an honest broker? Do you care about America keeping its word? Are you not alarmed at the obvious affection for dictators and disrespect for our allies and all of the institutions that have kept the world safe from a world war since the aftermath of WWII?
France already had balls. Trump is incompetent and dangerous. This isn't a game. The Secretary of Defense and the Commander in Syria have resigned because they cannot follow the orders of a person who is aligning with dictatorships and ruining our alliances. That has never happened before.
There comes a point when its not funny anymore and its not about partisanship. The time for snide comments is over and It's time for Americans to start giving a shit because we are in a crisis.
And thank you for recognizing that I focus on things that are important. I care about our country, don't have time for people who look for reasons to ridicule others. And I have been careful to not fall into that trap as it is easy to do and I have been wrong at times.
I find no reason for it and don't see why some people seem to enjoy it so much. But to each their own. I can count on you to find something wrong with anything I post - at least you're predictable, unlike our president.
But I'm just a long winded fan girl so WTF do I know.
I can understand reasonable debate - I do not understand finding fault just to find fault. If that makes you tough and me soft. I will proudly embrace my softness.
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I have had it with people who just want to dig at others and I'm not sure why I find myself on the receiving end, but it's not my business if someone chooses to find me offensive.
However, it does not make it enjoyable to be here. I have PTSD - I don't expect anyone to think everything I say is right but I find it extremely hurtful that the same people relish in finding ways to poke at me. I'm not the only one it's done to but, for me, it affects my health and so I will not be posting here and upsetting all of you people who need to take me down.
I enjoy debating politics. I do not like the constant snide comments. How it makes people feel good is beyond me. And if I have done it to anyone else, I apologize.
I am done with the 10Club - I thought I'd find nice people here. I did, but I found a lot of things that are not very nice.
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You certainly like to hold grudges over a joke a long time ago. Seems about right. Happy holidays.njnancy said:
Someone said that Trump made France grow balls. I said they already had balls. I didn't say they had an amazing military. They however are an ally and I guess it is in vogue to trash our allies. If you had actually read the entire dialogue, you would have understood that. France has stood by our side in many fights, they have not in others. At least their leader understands that massacres are disgraceful.cincybearcat said:
By the way, if it wasn’t important why did you feel the need to defend France and their amazing military?njnancy said:
Good to see you're focusing on the important stuff. I don't find anything hilarious about what's going on - but enjoy the destruction of our country as you laugh at one of our allies. Interesting.cincybearcat said:
Wait..lots of stuff on this thread and the most hilarious is that France already had balls....hahahaha comedy gold on the AMT!njnancy said:
The only comment you have is that Trump made France grow balls? Trump doesn't have the balls to fire someone face to face. This is a person who has no regard for what keeps the world relatively safe.EdsonNascimento said:
What would you like explained to you? Do you know anything about history? Just want to know where I need to start.oftenreading said:
This makes less sense than a Trump tweet.EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. So Trump got France to grow balls? If nothing else, he accomplished that. Finally France didn’t run like a bunch of Italians ( note: not referring to Italian Americans. Just Italy itself that generally caves like a paper tent at the direction of a stern voice)njnancy said:
He had a phone call from Erdogan - he was given talking points by his cabinet members to follow in the call. Erdogan said to pull out your troops because we are going to make a move on the Kurds (who Erdogan considers a terrorist group although they are not).dignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
Trump was supposed to say No. We will not pull out our troops and do not make a military move on the Kurds.
Instead, Trump said Okay and wants to pull out our Marines and allow Erdogan to finally ethically cleanse the Kurds (our allies who were the people who actually fought Isis in hand to hand combat as we provided air cover and intelligence. We promised to be allied and to protect the Kurds who are responsible for being essential in reducing the amount of land that Isis controlled.
So Trump ignored his Secretary of State & other advisors - ignored his talking points and said okey dokey when Erdogan told him what to do. He is a puppet to all the strong men. Pulling out our special forces and leaving an ally to be slaughtered is unthinkable. America can no longer be trusted as a reliable ally. Not saying that we should be involved in all these areas, but this is a mission that has actually worked and since we went there and made a promise, a 'great' country would not abandon its promise to protect people who have done the dirty work of killing Isis scum.
France has already said that they will keep their troops there and the reaction around the world was one of shock. This is not something a 'great' country does.
And after cowtowing to Erdogan and saying some BS about how Russia, Iran and Syria are made that we are leaving - Putin has his year end authoritarian 'press' conference and says that 'Donald' did the right thing. But then Putin later says that Afghanistan is a place that the US should not be and lo and behold, Trump announces plans to remove our troops.
There is no way that a person can support what Trump is doing - he is flailing and disregarding any advice from advisors and not even speak to our allies or to Congress or the military. Even discussing this as if Trump is enacting a foreign policy is ridiculous. This is not normal - this is insanity and someone needs to stand up against the dangerous actions that Trump is doing with no knowledge of what the hell the circumstances or consequences are. The man doesn't have his daily briefings because they are boring - they cut into his 'executive time' of laying in bed watching the news and tweeting.
Seriously - to speak about Trump as if there is a method to his madness is missing the fact that this is all madness.
Do you care about respecting alliances and being an honest broker? Do you care about America keeping its word? Are you not alarmed at the obvious affection for dictators and disrespect for our allies and all of the institutions that have kept the world safe from a world war since the aftermath of WWII?
France already had balls. Trump is incompetent and dangerous. This isn't a game. The Secretary of Defense and the Commander in Syria have resigned because they cannot follow the orders of a person who is aligning with dictatorships and ruining our alliances. That has never happened before.
There comes a point when its not funny anymore and its not about partisanship. The time for snide comments is over and It's time for Americans to start giving a shit because we are in a crisis.
And thank you for recognizing that I focus on things that are important. I care about our country, don't have time for people who look for reasons to ridicule others. And I have been careful to not fall into that trap as it is easy to do and I have been wrong at times.
I find no reason for it and don't see why some people seem to enjoy it so much. But to each their own. I can count on you to find something wrong with anything I post - at least you're predictable, unlike our president.
But I'm just a long winded fan girl so WTF do I know.
I can understand reasonable debate - I do not understand finding fault just to find fault. If that makes you tough and me soft. I will proudly embrace my softness.
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Today in the United States- we have no Secretary of Defense, no White House Chief of Staff, no Attorney General and no clear authority at the Department of Justice. Sanctions on Russia have been arbitrarily lifted and our troops have been arbitrarily taken out of Syria. It's the first anniversary of the tax cults for the wealthy and the DOW is at it's lowest point since October 2017. There are 17 separate investigations into the campaign, the transition, the inauguration and the administration. Today the government is shut down. This person has waged a more effective attack on the United States than the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor
....Oh well, I guess Hillary just wasn't inspiring enough...0 -
She wasn’t. But trump should have inspired more of an “anti” vote towards her than he did. I do not like Hills and I managed to throw up in my mouth and vote for her. No idea how others couldn’t.CM189191 said:Today in the United States- we have no Secretary of Defense, no White House Chief of Staff, no Attorney General and no clear authority at the Department of Justice. Sanctions on Russia have been arbitrarily lifted and our troops have been arbitrarily taken out of Syria. It's the first anniversary of the tax cults for the wealthy and the DOW is at it's lowest point since October 2017. There are 17 separate investigations into the campaign, the transition, the inauguration and the administration. Today the government is shut down. This person has waged a more effective attack on the United States than the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor
....Oh well, I guess Hillary just wasn't inspiring enough...hippiemom = goodness0 -
Ahhhhhh, the good ol perpetual enemy/boogeyman theory....... funny progressives are now the ones using itdignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
I'll take my chances, thanks
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It's the Kurds that will be slaughtered but your empathy is noted.my2hands said:
Ahhhhhh, the good ol perpetual enemy/boogeyman theory....... funny progressives are now the ones using itdignin said:
Ummm, sure.mcgruff10 said:One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.
MILITARY EXPERTS SAY TRUMP’S SUDDEN SYRIA WITHDRAWAL COULD CREATE “ISIS 2.0”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xyayy/military-experts-say-trumps-sudden-syria-withdrawal-could-create-isis-20?utm_source=reddit.com
I'll take my chances, thanks
I don't buy the ISIS 2.0 because that would happen regardless. The lack of planning, consultation, strategy and concern for our allies is revolting. But these are the same characteristics he displays in every aspect of his life.0 -
Don’t go we appreciate your input heck I always make fool of myself and I’ve learned so much even fromnjnancy said:I have had it with people who just want to dig at others and I'm not sure why I find myself on the receiving end, but it's not my business if someone chooses to find me offensive.
However, it does not make it enjoyable to be here. I have PTSD - I don't expect anyone to think everything I say is right but I find it extremely hurtful that the same people relish in finding ways to poke at me. I'm not the only one it's done to but, for me, it affects my health and so I will not be posting here and upsetting all of you people who need to take me down.
I enjoy debating politics. I do not like the constant snide comments. How it makes people feel good is beyond me. And if I have done it to anyone else, I apologize.
I am done with the 10Club - I thought I'd find nice people here. I did, but I found a lot of things that are not very nice.
posters I don’t see eye to eye with , I hope you reconsider..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Well said, Jose & I completely agree.josevolution said:
Don’t go we appreciate your input heck I always make fool of myself and I’ve learned so much even fromnjnancy said:I have had it with people who just want to dig at others and I'm not sure why I find myself on the receiving end, but it's not my business if someone chooses to find me offensive.
However, it does not make it enjoyable to be here. I have PTSD - I don't expect anyone to think everything I say is right but I find it extremely hurtful that the same people relish in finding ways to poke at me. I'm not the only one it's done to but, for me, it affects my health and so I will not be posting here and upsetting all of you people who need to take me down.
I enjoy debating politics. I do not like the constant snide comments. How it makes people feel good is beyond me. And if I have done it to anyone else, I apologize.
I am done with the 10Club - I thought I'd find nice people here. I did, but I found a lot of things that are not very nice.
posters I don’t see eye to eye with , I hope you reconsider..I LOVE MUSIC.
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