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  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    I don't understand the dislike for Help Help. It's not their best tune but it's far from their worst.
  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    rummy said:
    I don't understand the dislike for Help Help. It's not their best tune but it's far from their worst.

    def not the worst song but it belongs no where near Dirty Frank

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  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    Obviously preferences vary from person to person and I agree with your statement - on the surface, anyway. The difference is that I'd put Help Help ahead of Dirty Frank.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    I thought Help Help was really solid when I saw it live a couple of times in 2003. Much, much better than the studio cut. 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited December 2018
    ledvedderman said:
    I thought Help Help was really solid when I saw it live a couple of times in 2003. Much, much better than the studio cut. 
    Saw it in Prague this year and loved how into the song everyone in the band was. 
  • Jammalambo
    Jammalambo Posts: 1,321
    ledvedderman said:
    How a song like Sleeping By Myself gets put on Lightning Bolt in place of a perfect opportunity to finally do a studio cut of Last Soldier and have the same type of song in that spot will forever blow my mind. Last Soldier is so freaking good!
    Well, I never thought about it, but yeah, absolutely. Fell in love with the song immediately, back in 2001.
    If anyone in charge is reading this: PLEASE, GIVE US A STUDIO TAKE OF LAST SOLDIER ON THE NEXT (BI)ANNUAL SINGLE!
    Thanks.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,926
    I love help help. I mean LOVE


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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,021
    PJNB said:
    ledvedderman said:
    I thought Help Help was really solid when I saw it live a couple of times in 2003. Much, much better than the studio cut. 
    Saw it in Prague this year and loved how into the song everyone in the band was. 
    Right and right..

    lastexitlondon said:
    I love help help. I mean LOVE

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,511
    HELP HELP IS FUCKING GREAT

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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ledvedderman said:
    How a song like Sleeping By Myself gets put on Lightning Bolt in place of a perfect opportunity to finally do a studio cut of Last Soldier and have the same type of song in that spot will forever blow my mind. Last Soldier is so freaking good!
    it is, but it wouldn't fit. i dont' think many bands use songs that old on new albums. 
    Neil does!
    Neil also puts the same song on the same album with different lyrics.


    And some bands put a "reprise" version on the same album and then live just plays that snippet and never the original fucking song. 

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    They tried Life Wasted in Boston and it was a trainwreck.

    But yes I'd like to see them play it more.  In any event, wasn't really knocking Neil, sometimes it works.  Sleeps with Angels is far and away my favorite Crazy Horse record.  And hell the MIrror Ball sessions birthed Red Mosquito right out of Song X, so there is that.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,132
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ledvedderman said:
    How a song like Sleeping By Myself gets put on Lightning Bolt in place of a perfect opportunity to finally do a studio cut of Last Soldier and have the same type of song in that spot will forever blow my mind. Last Soldier is so freaking good!
    it is, but it wouldn't fit. i dont' think many bands use songs that old on new albums. 
    Neil does!
    Neil also puts the same song on the same album with different lyrics.


    And some bands put a "reprise" version on the same album and then live just plays that snippet and never the original fucking song. 

    #LifeWasted2019
    They tried Life Wasted in Boston and it was a trainwreck.

    But yes I'd like to see them play it more.  In any event, wasn't really knocking Neil, sometimes it works.  Sleeps with Angels is far and away my favorite Crazy Horse record.  And hell the MIrror Ball sessions birthed Red Mosquito right out of Song X, so there is that.
    song x birthed red mosquito?  how is that?
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    i remember back in the LB release days the band let a bunch of celebrity guests interview them.  One of the guests (can't remember who), was raving to Mike about Let the Records Play.  You could totally tell Mike didn't like that song and he kind of tried his best to hide by saying something vaguely nice about the intro.  I don't consider LtRP their worst song, but it certainly hasn't aged well for me.
  • nycrats
    nycrats Posts: 1,355
    does everyone hate dirty frank because the band said somehting about it being a bad song? id like to hear it..

    sure the lyrics are terrible but if nothing else its a fun (but repetitive) groove, I always thought an instrumental version sandwiched in the middle of a song would be fun, put a 45 seconds in the middle of an even flow jam (if is that even possible, i know nothing about keys or whatever) and see if anyones paying attention..
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    mcgruff10 said:
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ledvedderman said:
    How a song like Sleeping By Myself gets put on Lightning Bolt in place of a perfect opportunity to finally do a studio cut of Last Soldier and have the same type of song in that spot will forever blow my mind. Last Soldier is so freaking good!
    it is, but it wouldn't fit. i dont' think many bands use songs that old on new albums. 
    Neil does!
    Neil also puts the same song on the same album with different lyrics.


    And some bands put a "reprise" version on the same album and then live just plays that snippet and never the original fucking song. 

    #LifeWasted2019
    They tried Life Wasted in Boston and it was a trainwreck.

    But yes I'd like to see them play it more.  In any event, wasn't really knocking Neil, sometimes it works.  Sleeps with Angels is far and away my favorite Crazy Horse record.  And hell the MIrror Ball sessions birthed Red Mosquito right out of Song X, so there is that.
    song x birthed red mosquito?  how is that?
    Yeah. I’d.never heard that before. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,132
    ledvedderman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ledvedderman said:
    How a song like Sleeping By Myself gets put on Lightning Bolt in place of a perfect opportunity to finally do a studio cut of Last Soldier and have the same type of song in that spot will forever blow my mind. Last Soldier is so freaking good!
    it is, but it wouldn't fit. i dont' think many bands use songs that old on new albums. 
    Neil does!
    Neil also puts the same song on the same album with different lyrics.


    And some bands put a "reprise" version on the same album and then live just plays that snippet and never the original fucking song. 

    #LifeWasted2019
    They tried Life Wasted in Boston and it was a trainwreck.

    But yes I'd like to see them play it more.  In any event, wasn't really knocking Neil, sometimes it works.  Sleeps with Angels is far and away my favorite Crazy Horse record.  And hell the MIrror Ball sessions birthed Red Mosquito right out of Song X, so there is that.
    song x birthed red mosquito?  how is that?
    Yeah. I’d.never heard that before. 
    The songs don't even sound the same.  
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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    mcgruff10 said:
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ledvedderman said:
    How a song like Sleeping By Myself gets put on Lightning Bolt in place of a perfect opportunity to finally do a studio cut of Last Soldier and have the same type of song in that spot will forever blow my mind. Last Soldier is so freaking good!
    it is, but it wouldn't fit. i dont' think many bands use songs that old on new albums. 
    Neil does!
    Neil also puts the same song on the same album with different lyrics.


    And some bands put a "reprise" version on the same album and then live just plays that snippet and never the original fucking song. 

    #LifeWasted2019
    They tried Life Wasted in Boston and it was a trainwreck.

    But yes I'd like to see them play it more.  In any event, wasn't really knocking Neil, sometimes it works.  Sleeps with Angels is far and away my favorite Crazy Horse record.  And hell the MIrror Ball sessions birthed Red Mosquito right out of Song X, so there is that.
    song x birthed red mosquito?  how is that?
    It is the same song, just a slightly altered tempo and when you throw Mike's heavier less echo driven distortion that Neil favors, and a little slide into it sounds much different, but alas...

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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    edited December 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    ledvedderman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PB11041 said:
    They tried Life Wasted in Boston and it was a trainwreck.

    But yes I'd like to see them play it more.  In any event, wasn't really knocking Neil, sometimes it works.  Sleeps with Angels is far and away my favorite Crazy Horse record.  And hell the MIrror Ball sessions birthed Red Mosquito right out of Song X, so there is that.
    song x birthed red mosquito?  how is that?
    Yeah. I’d.never heard that before. 
    The songs don't even sound the same.  
    It is the same chord progression and beat for the most part, they don't sound the same because the verses and chorus are not sung like an ad for Long John Silver's.  Mike's guitar parts drive so much of the focus of the song that you easily drift away from the similarity.  
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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    ledvedderman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PB11041 said:
    They tried Life Wasted in Boston and it was a trainwreck.

    But yes I'd like to see them play it more.  In any event, wasn't really knocking Neil, sometimes it works.  Sleeps with Angels is far and away my favorite Crazy Horse record.  And hell the MIrror Ball sessions birthed Red Mosquito right out of Song X, so there is that.
    song x birthed red mosquito?  how is that?
    Yeah. I’d.never heard that before. 
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    09/24/96 – Merriweather Post Pavilion: Columbia, MD [115m]
    attendance: 18,000
    support act: The Fastbacks
    soundcheck: I’m Open, Elderly Woman (Ed solo), RVM (opening riff), The Kids are Alright
    set: Long Road, Hail Hail, Animal, Spin the Black Circle, In My Tree, Corduroy, Not for You/Jeremy, Red Mosquito, Black, Habit, Rearviewmirror, Immortality (song stopped), Better Man, Whipping, State of Love and Trust, Alive, Blood
    enc 1: Who You Are, Even Flow, Daughter/(No More Pain)/(WMA), Mankind, Leaving Here
    enc 2: Wash, Yellow Ledbetter
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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    I am almost certain this comes up again at some point whether in Europe 1996 or even later.  But I am an older person than I once was and my memory banks are faded.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,599
    nycrats said:
    does everyone hate dirty frank because the band said somehting about it being a bad song? id like to hear it..

    sure the lyrics are terrible but if nothing else its a fun (but repetitive) groove, I always thought an instrumental version sandwiched in the middle of a song would be fun, put a 45 seconds in the middle of an even flow jam (if is that even possible, i know nothing about keys or whatever) and see if anyones paying attention..
    pearl jam fans don't really take to "joke" or "fun" songs very well. the first time I heard it, I thought it was an obvious nod to RHCP. Sure enough, years later, when describing it, it might be in the book, one of the guys said "written on the chili peppers tour". 
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