Paris protest: ‘People are in the red. They can’t afford to eat’ Kim Willsher in Paris The Observer

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I saw a bit on this on the news last night.  Seems the biggest issue is fuel costs.  Is that fuel for vehicles or fuel for heating?  I thought most people in Paris used public transit. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    I saw a bit on this on the news last night.  Seems the biggest issue is fuel costs.  Is that fuel for vehicles or fuel for heating?  I thought most people in Paris used public transit. 
    From what I gather taxes, in general, have been rising.  

    From the article...To give you an example; my aunt died recently and left €40,000. She worked all her life, she paid her taxes and charges, but the government took 60% of that. Does that seem fair?
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Meltdown99 said:
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    From what I gather taxes, in general, have been rising.  

    From the article...To give you an example; my aunt died recently and left €40,000. She worked all her life, she paid her taxes and charges, but the government took 60% of that. Does that seem fair?
    60%?  Hell no!  Not fair.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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    brianlux said:
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    60%?  Hell no!  Not fair.
    It also appears to be a lie.  I'd like to see the math on that 60% figure.

    "In practice, less than 50% of inhabitants in France pay any income tax at all; only around 14% pay at the rate of 30%, and less than 1% pay at the rate of 45%."

    https://www.french-property.com/guides/france/finance-taxation/taxation/calculation-tax-liability/rates
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    CM189191 said:
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    It also appears to be a lie.  I'd like to see the math on that 60% figure.

    "In practice, less than 50% of inhabitants in France pay any income tax at all; only around 14% pay at the rate of 30%, and less than 1% pay at the rate of 45%."

    https://www.french-property.com/guides/france/finance-taxation/taxation/calculation-tax-liability/rates
    A lie?  I don't think Meltdown would post a lie.  A mistake, a misunderstand, an inaccuracy (maybe, who am I to say?) but a lie?  Sounds like a harsh accusation CM.  Am I missing something here?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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    brianlux said:
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    A lie?  I don't think Meltdown would post a lie.  A mistake, a misunderstand, an inaccuracy (maybe, who am I to say?) but a lie?  Sounds like a harsh accusation CM.  Am I missing something here?

    Relax, Not calling meltdown a liar, they were paraphrasing the article.  The person being interviewed for the article appears to be lying. 

    I still wanna see the math.
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    CM189191 said:
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    Relax, Not calling meltdown a liar, they were paraphrasing the article.  The person being interviewed for the article appears to be lying. 

    I still wanna see the math.
    Cool.  Thanks for clarifying!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I am just going by the article.  That's all. I do not live in France never been to France.  Just find the protesting interesting.
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited November 2018
    I do remember my French ex telling me that, way back in 2004, gas in France averaged around $6.50/gallon, and yes, the goal was to try and drive everyone out of their gas guzzling cars.
    There is certainly a problem in Europe when it comes to the cost of consumer goods and most food in general though. The prices are fucking insane. I never really heard that taxes are so much the issue, compared to just the prices of goods. Also, they fucking have to pay for their water in France. Like, for how much you use. I can't imagine that. I know I'm saying that from a very privileged position though, as someone who lives where water is insanely bountiful.
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    PJ_Soul said:
    I do remember my French ex telling me that, way back in 2004, gas in France averaged around $6.50/gallon, and yes, the goal was to try and drive everyone out of their gas guzzling cars.
    There is certainly a problem in Europe when it comes to the cost of consumer goods and most food in general though. The prices are fucking insane. I never really heard that taxes are so much the issue, compared to just the prices of goods. Also, they fucking have to pay for their water in France. Like, for how much you use. I can't imagine that. I know I'm saying that from a very privileged position though, as someone who lives where water is insanely bountiful.
    Woah, you don't have to pay for the water you use in your home? It's common in the states for apartment complexes to include it in the rent, but homeowners pay a water bill. Unless they have a well.
  • None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:
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    Woah, you don't have to pay for the water you use in your home? It's common in the states for apartment complexes to include it in the rent, but homeowners pay a water bill. Unless they have a well.
    I pay a water bill in my home.  Most apartments include water in the rent. 
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  • Sweden Posts: 4,004
    We pay for the water over here too.
    :)
  • None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    I do remember my French ex telling me that, way back in 2004, gas in France averaged around $6.50/gallon, and yes, the goal was to try and drive everyone out of their gas guzzling cars.
    There is certainly a problem in Europe when it comes to the cost of consumer goods and most food in general though. The prices are fucking insane. I never really heard that taxes are so much the issue, compared to just the prices of goods. Also, they fucking have to pay for their water in France. Like, for how much you use. I can't imagine that. I know I'm saying that from a very privileged position though, as someone who lives where water is insanely bountiful.
    Clarify the water.  In BC, do homeowners get free water?
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited November 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
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    Clarify the water.  In BC, do homeowners get free water?
    No no, not free running water. They pay an average of $500/year for water and sewage services through utility user fees and property taxes. What I meant is that in France they literally pay for it by the litre in the sense that they actually count the number of litres they use (or guesstimate). I.e., their kids play in a wading pool, and the parents need to time how long the hose is on to make sure they don't "go insane" with the water by filling the wading pool too much - the monthly water bill will be too big. This is unimaginable to me. Although it sure as hell does promote responsible water consumption. I'm glad I don't live where you actually have to worry about that (outside of a serious summer drought).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    We have water meters installed that tell you to the tenth of a gallon how much water you use. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited November 2018
    I think water meters are mandatory in brand new houses now? But anything built longer than maybe 5 or 10 years ago, no. Other surrounding cities brought them in earlier or later... many, many homes are still just paying flat rates. Sometimes that's the case for entire municipalities and cities still. The idea of "counting" our water is definitely not familiar to most.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
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  • Posts: 14,894
    We also have water meters that count every drop and we pay accordingly.  I just had a bill today. Years ago people could water plants and clean cars and the such. But not anymore we get put on hosepipe bans .


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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited December 2018
    lastexitlondon said:
    We also have water meters that count every drop and we pay accordingly.  I just had a bill today. Years ago people could water plants and clean cars and the such. But not anymore we get put on hosepipe bans .
    Hosepipe bans? You mean watering restrictions? We have those too, just about every summer these days, during droughts. They are by degree. Sometimes we get to water a couple days a week, on prescribed days, depending on the street address. It's not really because we don't have enough water here in metro Vancouver (and that's certainly the case is some places in BC). It's because our reservoir system is inadequate for the growing population and nobody seems to be planning on more reservoirs for some reason.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Posts: 14,894
    Yeah it's called a hosepipe ban here. If fuckin rains half the year and we still have no spare water. U.k is a wet place.  We have a minimal summer and it goes ape shit 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -

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