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Exactly. And the Dow dropped another 550 points today, wiping out all those fantastic gains that 50% of Americans were experiencing in Team Trump Treason’s economy. Just wait until the recession hits.curmudgeoness said:dignin said:
Then these guys that rail against the elites and vote for the worst kind of elitist, Trump.Halifax2TheMax said:It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
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I prefer to be led by self made elitists, like the ones you mentioned.Sure, I remember Rick Santorum and Sarah Palin mocking "those elitists," with their "college educations." It was perplexing then and it is perplexing now. Husband and I both came from, as Ed would say, "real small." First-gen college student (me), public assistance, blue-collar families, etc.. We both went to those "elitist" schools, got pretty good educations. Worked hard. Ended up being pretty successful and comfortable, and I'm proud to say that my man has saved countless lives along the way.We were the embodiment of the so-called "American Dream." And then we were slammed, by talking heads, Facebook "friends," and even family members, who knew how we make our money, for being "coastal elites." WTF? We got this from left and right, mind you -- from the folks in the red hats and from the Bernie bros.I don't need anyone's pity, by the way. We're doing just fine. But, having come from a background very similar to that of current MAGA-heads, the conflicting messages cause us a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. And, frankly, we see a lot of victimhood, abdication of personal responsibility, and deflection in this behavior. That makes me sound like a conservative, doesn't it? But, look: we know we got to where we are through a combination of hard work and luck. We know other people worked hard and had bad luck (now I sound like a liberal!) and need a hand up. But we also know that there are plenty of people who sit around and complain about the rotten bastards who are better off than they are and the lazy scum who are worse off than they are, and when are they going to get what they deserve?And that last group is eating up the message that Mexican members of ISIS (seriously, WTF?) are pouring into the country to steal everything good, white, "real" Americans still have left. Because it's always easy to blame someone else for your problems -- much easier than putting in the effort to solve your problems and make things better for yourself. But it does society as a whole no good to keep driving home this message; it merely fosters resentment. It doesn't improve the schools, or the roads, or healthcare. It doesn't given any of the people who feel left behind the skills and resources they need to make more opportunities for themselves. It just encourages whining, helplessness, and blaming the "other." Politicians are telling the MAGA crowd to keep shooting themselves in the foot, and they are all too eager to do so.Which brings me to the "real America" bullshit. As Nate Silver pointed out yesterday, and as David Frum (conservative!) has noted repeatedly, the media need to stop relentlessly covering white people wearing trucker hats in rural diners as members of "real America." First of all, this country is too large and too diverse to be neatly summarized by any one trait or stereotype. Secondly, the Resistance is real, and it is huge. Avocado toast and yoga now are more "American," more popular, than John Deere hats. The media need to, as one commenter on Nate Silver's thread said, spend more time at PTA meetings and in Paneras; that's where they will find "real" America, such as it is.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You, me and Gern have been talking about this sort of thing since the tax cuts were on the table, that you don't cut taxes in a booming economy because you lose your tools when the inevitable slowdown comes. Goldman doesn't see a recession, but just barely above it. Check out their key points they released yesterday... Check out the GDP.Halifax2TheMax said:
Exactly. And the Dow dropped another 550 points today, wiping out all those fantastic gains that 50% of Americans were experiencing in Team Trump Treason’s economy. Just wait until the recession hits.curmudgeoness said:dignin said:
Then these guys that rail against the elites and vote for the worst kind of elitist, Trump.Halifax2TheMax said:It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
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I prefer to be led by self made elitists, like the ones you mentioned.Sure, I remember Rick Santorum and Sarah Palin mocking "those elitists," with their "college educations." It was perplexing then and it is perplexing now. Husband and I both came from, as Ed would say, "real small." First-gen college student (me), public assistance, blue-collar families, etc.. We both went to those "elitist" schools, got pretty good educations. Worked hard. Ended up being pretty successful and comfortable, and I'm proud to say that my man has saved countless lives along the way.We were the embodiment of the so-called "American Dream." And then we were slammed, by talking heads, Facebook "friends," and even family members, who knew how we make our money, for being "coastal elites." WTF? We got this from left and right, mind you -- from the folks in the red hats and from the Bernie bros.I don't need anyone's pity, by the way. We're doing just fine. But, having come from a background very similar to that of current MAGA-heads, the conflicting messages cause us a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. And, frankly, we see a lot of victimhood, abdication of personal responsibility, and deflection in this behavior. That makes me sound like a conservative, doesn't it? But, look: we know we got to where we are through a combination of hard work and luck. We know other people worked hard and had bad luck (now I sound like a liberal!) and need a hand up. But we also know that there are plenty of people who sit around and complain about the rotten bastards who are better off than they are and the lazy scum who are worse off than they are, and when are they going to get what they deserve?And that last group is eating up the message that Mexican members of ISIS (seriously, WTF?) are pouring into the country to steal everything good, white, "real" Americans still have left. Because it's always easy to blame someone else for your problems -- much easier than putting in the effort to solve your problems and make things better for yourself. But it does society as a whole no good to keep driving home this message; it merely fosters resentment. It doesn't improve the schools, or the roads, or healthcare. It doesn't given any of the people who feel left behind the skills and resources they need to make more opportunities for themselves. It just encourages whining, helplessness, and blaming the "other." Politicians are telling the MAGA crowd to keep shooting themselves in the foot, and they are all too eager to do so.Which brings me to the "real America" bullshit. As Nate Silver pointed out yesterday, and as David Frum (conservative!) has noted repeatedly, the media need to stop relentlessly covering white people wearing trucker hats in rural diners as members of "real America." First of all, this country is too large and too diverse to be neatly summarized by any one trait or stereotype. Secondly, the Resistance is real, and it is huge. Avocado toast and yoga now are more "American," more popular, than John Deere hats. The media need to, as one commenter on Nate Silver's thread said, spend more time at PTA meetings and in Paneras; that's where they will find "real" America, such as it is.
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That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I don't think there's any evidence either way; I think it's just people's biases.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
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Hillary has spoken frequently and publicly about their affection and love. She’s written about it in her autobiography, and I believe Bill has as well in his. Their public interactions have certainly been far warmer than those observed between Donald and Melania.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think there's any evidence either way; I think it's just people's biases.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
anything is warmer than your wife refusing to hold your hand. LOL. I see your point, I'm just saying that I'm sure there are marriages out there, public ones, that are complete facades to keep the image in place. not saying theirs is, but it does exist.oftenreading said:
Hillary has spoken frequently and publicly about their affection and love. She’s written about it in her autobiography, and I believe Bill has as well in his. Their public interactions have certainly been far warmer than those observed between Donald and Melania.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think there's any evidence either way; I think it's just people's biases.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
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you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
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He stands side by side with dictator murderers corrupt heads of state and criticises our own Generals and admirals of armed forces , please justify your voting for this criminal president ....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Why are you bringing up Melania? She's a gold-digging whore with no achievements to speak of.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
As for Hillary, yes, being Bill Clinton's wife was very helpful for her in becoming a Senator, SOS, and the democratic nominee. That's not to say he did it for her, or that her own talents and know-how weren't a factor, because of course they were. But if she divorced him in the late 90's, like any self-respecting woman would, she would not be as popular with the democratic electorate, and then maybe she doesn't ascend to those posts.
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I disagree with the bolded part. lots of people cheat and the couple is able to work through it. it is not a matter of self respect.Ledbetterman10 said:
Why are you bringing up Melania? She's a gold-digging whore with no achievements to speak of.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
As for Hillary, yes, being Bill Clinton's wife was very helpful for her in becoming a Senator, SOS, and the democratic nominee. That's not to say he did it for her, or that her own talents and know-how weren't a factor, because of course they were. But if she divorced him in the late 90's, like any self-respecting woman would, she would not be as popular with the democratic electorate, and then maybe she doesn't ascend to those posts.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Yeah lots of people have given me that response and I don't argue because to each their own. My mother actually used to say it back in high school when I would make this claim against Hillary. But for me personally, if my wife ever cheated on me, I would never respect myself if I stayed with her. That's just me. But I don't begrudge people that do stay with their cheating spouses. But in the case of Hillary, who wanted to be the leader of the country, it wasn't a good look for her (to me). I still voted for her because...well...look at the other option. But when trying to pinpoint a reason why she lost white women in the election, I've kept coming back to this: that those women that voted against her either didn't respect her for staying with Bill, or didn't respect how she tried to ruin his sexual-assault accusers.HughFreakingDillon said:
I disagree with the bolded part. lots of people cheat and the couple is able to work through it. it is not a matter of self respect.Ledbetterman10 said:
Why are you bringing up Melania? She's a gold-digging whore with no achievements to speak of.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
As for Hillary, yes, being Bill Clinton's wife was very helpful for her in becoming a Senator, SOS, and the democratic nominee. That's not to say he did it for her, or that her own talents and know-how weren't a factor, because of course they were. But if she divorced him in the late 90's, like any self-respecting woman would, she would not be as popular with the democratic electorate, and then maybe she doesn't ascend to those posts.
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Some fights need to be fought.HughFreakingDillon said:
So get out of the pen.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Dandruff Bernie... weak Hillary can't even get up the stairs... Hillary took a poo before the debates... etc.
Come on. When you wrestle with pigs... you get dirty.
And nobody is taking their eye of the ball when poking fun at a regime that makes it impossible not to poke fun at. This stuff is just 'side stuff' for shits and giggles. We've all got time to laugh at Trump for everything we can laugh at him for including his physicality: he said his body is better than Tom Brady so he's confident (he can handle it) and it's par for the course given who he's mocked with the microphone in hand.
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As I said....mrussel1 said:How did Hillary get to be special prosecutor for the Watergate hearings straight out of law school? Surely she has some skills right?
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I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
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