BETO for PRESIDENT!

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JimmyV said:
    A Democrat that can get 4 million votes in Texas is doing something right. I would have to get to know him a little more before giving him my vote, but he would be a great addition to the primary.
    He did spend a ton more money on campaigning in TX than his opponent. That may have been a bit of a factor...but he still lost.
    I believe I heard on NPR, I know, GASP, that the candidate that spent the most won, in every race, regardless of party. “Corporations are people, my friend.” It was an interview with someone from Blue Wave which allows small money donors to donate to Dems anywhere. They act as a clearinghouse and every dem member of Congress is in their database.
    I just felt something in the force awaken, Watson

    Democracy? Free elections? Your vote counts? It's a fucking auction, and you know it as well as i do, brother. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,304
    edited November 2018
    my2hands said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JimmyV said:
    A Democrat that can get 4 million votes in Texas is doing something right. I would have to get to know him a little more before giving him my vote, but he would be a great addition to the primary.
    He did spend a ton more money on campaigning in TX than his opponent. That may have been a bit of a factor...but he still lost.
    I believe I heard on NPR, I know, GASP, that the candidate that spent the most won, in every race, regardless of party. “Corporations are people, my friend.” It was an interview with someone from Blue Wave which allows small money donors to donate to Dems anywhere. They act as a clearinghouse and every dem member of Congress is in their database.
    I just felt something in the force awaken, Watson

    Democracy? Free elections? Your vote counts? It's a fucking auction, and you know it as well as i do, brother. 
    Tell it to some candidate in some podunk town who won by one vote in a region of the country that you’ve been squawking about of late. It’s not an auction as much as a deterrent.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,969
    If you declare now, don't you just give Russia Trump people more time to dig up find dirt on you?
    Seems early.
    I would think the worst thing that can happen for the Democratic Party with regard to the 2020 Presidential Election is to have a large number of people up on the stage when things start up for the primaries.  Look where it lead for the Republican Party in 2016....I thought things would sugar out to reveal the best candidate and it left room for Captain Deflector to creep through to the nomination.

    So....right now it would be Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, perhaps Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton.  Beto O'Rourke is going to jump into that?  Who knows, perhaps that allows him to 'Pull a Trump' and get through the previously thought of front runners to the nomination.

    Ugggghhhh.

    I cannot state enough how much I dislike our current leadership.  Looking to me like 4 more years of nonsensical rambling from the Oval Office.  Perhaps our Juggler will hit the jackpot and Orangey will be caught with something strong enough to hold up and get him bounced.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    F Me In The Brain said:
    If you declare now, don't you just give Russia Trump people more time to dig up find dirt on you?
    They are doing that with any conceivable candidate as we speak, anyway.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,969
    OnWis97 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    If you declare now, don't you just give Russia Trump people more time to dig up find dirt on you?
    They are doing that with any conceivable candidate as we speak, anyway.
    Yeah, I am sure you are correct.
    What is a few million bucks spent on discrediting random potential candidates, at this point?
    Nothing else could be done with that money.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,867
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    Yeah but tRump isn't fresh.  I think we need the wise old man to kick everyone's ass with truth and real policy instead of bloviating assholes.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited December 2018

    Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals

    Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:

    Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals

    Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
    Beto for Presidento!
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    dignin said:

    Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals

    Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
    Even better.  Give me a moderate. 
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:

    Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals

    Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
    Even better.  Give me a moderate. 
    Haha. I figured you would be pleased.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:

    Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals

    Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
    Even better.  Give me a moderate. 
    Haha. I figured you would be pleased.

    Whoever is up against Trump I'm in 100%
    To be clear,  I have no opinion on what the specific issues are that led to him voting with the GOP. I didn't look that up.  Im just saying someone who isn't party line voting is fine with me. 
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    edited December 2018
    OnWis97 said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    I think Beto has more "Obama" to him than any of the names being floated for the nomination.  He's a fairly fresh face who will move us from the same ol' shit (see: BushBush/ClintonClinton).  He's energetic and should be able to bring people to the polls like Obama and unlike Hillary.  He doesn't seem to have skeleton's in his closet.  Is he experienced enough?  Well, Trump can't really attack him on that front.

    Beating Trump is important.  Important enough that I care more about electability than issues, knowledge, or experience (particularly since it is flat out impossible that anyone elected would handle the role worse than Trump).  At this point, Beto looks more electable than anyone.  
    We have to be careful about accepting electability over proper leading indicators which could show a strong propensity to lead. For two years now anti-Trump citizens have scoffed at leading through gut instinct (which is largely a comfort and familiarity-driven behaviour), but I’d say gut feel is how this nation of millions is largely choosing to vote. That doesn’t seem better. The President must be in Sales, but also must possess demonstrated qualifications.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    benjs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    I think Beto has more "Obama" to him than any of the names being floated for the nomination.  He's a fairly fresh face who will move us from the same ol' shit (see: BushBush/ClintonClinton).  He's energetic and should be able to bring people to the polls like Obama and unlike Hillary.  He doesn't seem to have skeleton's in his closet.  Is he experienced enough?  Well, Trump can't really attack him on that front.

    Beating Trump is important.  Important enough that I care more about electability than issues, knowledge, or experience (particularly since it is flat out impossible that anyone elected would handle the role worse than Trump).  At this point, Beto looks more electable than anyone.  
    We have to be careful about accepting electability over proper leading indicators which could show a strong propensity to lead. For two years now anti-Trump citizens have scoffed at leading through gut instinct (which is largely a comfort and familiarity-driven behaviour), but I’d say gut feel is how this nation of millions is largely choosing to vote. That doesn’t seem better. The President must be in Sales, but also must possess demonstrated qualifications.

    I hear you but I think those people have always been there,  just that the people with brains have over ridden them.   What we learned last week about the social media suppression campaigns was eye opening.  I trust our voters won't be fooled again...I hope. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:

    Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals

    Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
    Even better.  Give me a moderate. 
    Haha. I figured you would be pleased.

    Whoever is up against Trump I'm in 100%
    To be clear,  I have no opinion on what the specific issues are that led to him voting with the GOP. I didn't look that up.  Im just saying someone who isn't party line voting is fine with me. 
    Fine with me too, but would he stand a chance in the primary debates?  Seems like a talking point that could put him on the defensive.  If he made it through the primaries, he would probably get elected, though.  Landslidish even, maybe.  

  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    mrussel1 said:
    benjs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    I think Beto has more "Obama" to him than any of the names being floated for the nomination.  He's a fairly fresh face who will move us from the same ol' shit (see: BushBush/ClintonClinton).  He's energetic and should be able to bring people to the polls like Obama and unlike Hillary.  He doesn't seem to have skeleton's in his closet.  Is he experienced enough?  Well, Trump can't really attack him on that front.

    Beating Trump is important.  Important enough that I care more about electability than issues, knowledge, or experience (particularly since it is flat out impossible that anyone elected would handle the role worse than Trump).  At this point, Beto looks more electable than anyone.  
    We have to be careful about accepting electability over proper leading indicators which could show a strong propensity to lead. For two years now anti-Trump citizens have scoffed at leading through gut instinct (which is largely a comfort and familiarity-driven behaviour), but I’d say gut feel is how this nation of millions is largely choosing to vote. That doesn’t seem better. The President must be in Sales, but also must possess demonstrated qualifications.

    I hear you but I think those people have always been there,  just that the people with brains have over ridden them.   What we learned last week about the social media suppression campaigns was eye opening.  I trust our voters won't be fooled again...I hope. 
    I hope you’re right, my friend!
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:

    Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals

    Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
    Even better.  Give me a moderate. 
    Haha. I figured you would be pleased.

    Whoever is up against Trump I'm in 100%
    To be clear,  I have no opinion on what the specific issues are that led to him voting with the GOP. I didn't look that up.  Im just saying someone who isn't party line voting is fine with me. 
    Fine with me too, but would he stand a chance in the primary debates?  Seems like a talking point that could put him on the defensive.  If he made it through the primaries, he would probably get elected, though.  Landslidish even, maybe.  

    Yup. This could come back to haunt him in the primaries.
  • foodshop65
    foodshop65 Connecticut Posts: 731
    wow, so a guy who is irish pretending to be latino is okay. fleeing from a dui/accident is okay. 90% of his funds came from outside of the state. there were numerous stories of voter fraud in the state. i see you are setting your standards high
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    foodshop65 said:
    wow, so a guy who is irish pretending to be latino is okay. fleeing from a dui/accident is okay. 90% of his funds came from outside of the state. there were numerous stories of voter fraud in the state. i see you are setting your standards high
    His last name starts with an O'... if these are really the three contra things you can come up with while that corrupt fuck sits in the White House,  then this is literally the silliest post on the AMT all year. 
  • cincybearcat
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    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:

    Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals

    Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
    Even better.  Give me a moderate. 
    Haha. I figured you would be pleased.

    Whoever is up against Trump I'm in 100%
    Yeah I like that!
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