BETO for PRESIDENT!

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  • fifefife Posts: 3,203
    fife said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 14,287
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think you have to look at the Democratic party makeup and understand that it responds best to charismatic, positive leaders.  Clinton and Obama fit a particular mold.  Beto does as well.  
    Interesting, I thought Clinton and Obama were quite different in regards to positivity and charisma.  Regardless, are you saying that charisma and positivity are more important than actual success or policies?  Seems a bit surface level.
    that would be Bill not Hillary......
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,423
    mickeyrat said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think you have to look at the Democratic party makeup and understand that it responds best to charismatic, positive leaders.  Clinton and Obama fit a particular mold.  Beto does as well.  
    Interesting, I thought Clinton and Obama were quite different in regards to positivity and charisma.  Regardless, are you saying that charisma and positivity are more important than actual success or policies?  Seems a bit surface level.
    that would be Bill not Hillary......
    That makes a bit more sense, ha!
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 8,040
    fife said:
    fife said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    Brown/O'Rourke
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,242
    fife said:
    fife said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    I think Beto has more "Obama" to him than any of the names being floated for the nomination.  He's a fairly fresh face who will move us from the same ol' shit (see: BushBush/ClintonClinton).  He's energetic and should be able to bring people to the polls like Obama and unlike Hillary.  He doesn't seem to have skeleton's in his closet.  Is he experienced enough?  Well, Trump can't really attack him on that front.

    Beating Trump is important.  Important enough that I care more about electability than issues, knowledge, or experience (particularly since it is flat out impossible that anyone elected would handle the role worse than Trump).  At this point, Beto looks more electable than anyone.  
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,166
    OnWis97 said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    I think Beto has more "Obama" to him than any of the names being floated for the nomination.  He's a fairly fresh face who will move us from the same ol' shit (see: BushBush/ClintonClinton).  He's energetic and should be able to bring people to the polls like Obama and unlike Hillary.  He doesn't seem to have skeleton's in his closet.  Is he experienced enough?  Well, Trump can't really attack him on that front.

    Beating Trump is important.  Important enough that I care more about electability than issues, knowledge, or experience (particularly since it is flat out impossible that anyone elected would handle the role worse than Trump).  At this point, Beto looks more electable than anyone.  
    his one skeleton is a DUI, but it's out of the closet. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,637
    The contrast between him and Trump would be staggering, could you imagine.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,166
    he's a white male, so that's something for Trump's base to consider. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,637
    he's a white male, so that's something for Trump's base to consider. 
    I think his base likes orange better than white, but I will give you the male part.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,035
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think you have to look at the Democratic party makeup and understand that it responds best to charismatic, positive leaders.  Clinton and Obama fit a particular mold.  Beto does as well.  
    Interesting, I thought Clinton and Obama were quite different in regards to positivity and charisma.  Regardless, are you saying that charisma and positivity are more important than actual success or policies?  Seems a bit surface level.
    The more charismatic candidate won each time. Policy and experience be damned. 

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,035
    PJPOWER said:
    JimmyV said:
    A Democrat that can get 4 million votes in Texas is doing something right. I would have to get to know him a little more before giving him my vote, but he would be a great addition to the primary.
    He did spend a ton more money on campaigning in TX than his opponent. That may have been a bit of a factor...but he still lost.
    I believe I heard on NPR, I know, GASP, that the candidate that spent the most won, in every race, regardless of party. “Corporations are people, my friend.” It was an interview with someone from Blue Wave which allows small money donors to donate to Dems anywhere. They act as a clearinghouse and every dem member of Congress is in their database.
    I just felt something in the force awaken, Watson

    Democracy? Free elections? Your vote counts? It's a fucking auction, and you know it as well as i do, brother. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,454
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    my2hands said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JimmyV said:
    A Democrat that can get 4 million votes in Texas is doing something right. I would have to get to know him a little more before giving him my vote, but he would be a great addition to the primary.
    He did spend a ton more money on campaigning in TX than his opponent. That may have been a bit of a factor...but he still lost.
    I believe I heard on NPR, I know, GASP, that the candidate that spent the most won, in every race, regardless of party. “Corporations are people, my friend.” It was an interview with someone from Blue Wave which allows small money donors to donate to Dems anywhere. They act as a clearinghouse and every dem member of Congress is in their database.
    I just felt something in the force awaken, Watson

    Democracy? Free elections? Your vote counts? It's a fucking auction, and you know it as well as i do, brother. 
    Tell it to some candidate in some podunk town who won by one vote in a region of the country that you’ve been squawking about of late. It’s not an auction as much as a deterrent.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 14,437
    If you declare now, don't you just give Russia Trump people more time to dig up find dirt on you?
    Seems early.
    I would think the worst thing that can happen for the Democratic Party with regard to the 2020 Presidential Election is to have a large number of people up on the stage when things start up for the primaries.  Look where it lead for the Republican Party in 2016....I thought things would sugar out to reveal the best candidate and it left room for Captain Deflector to creep through to the nomination.

    So....right now it would be Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, perhaps Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton.  Beto O'Rourke is going to jump into that?  Who knows, perhaps that allows him to 'Pull a Trump' and get through the previously thought of front runners to the nomination.

    Ugggghhhh.

    I cannot state enough how much I dislike our current leadership.  Looking to me like 4 more years of nonsensical rambling from the Oval Office.  Perhaps our Juggler will hit the jackpot and Orangey will be caught with something strong enough to hold up and get him bounced.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,242
    If you declare now, don't you just give Russia Trump people more time to dig up find dirt on you?
    They are doing that with any conceivable candidate as we speak, anyway.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 14,437
    OnWis97 said:
    If you declare now, don't you just give Russia Trump people more time to dig up find dirt on you?
    They are doing that with any conceivable candidate as we speak, anyway.
    Yeah, I am sure you are correct.
    What is a few million bucks spent on discrediting random potential candidates, at this point?
    Nothing else could be done with that money.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 8,040
    fife said:
    fife said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    Yeah but tRump isn't fresh.  I think we need the wise old man to kick everyone's ass with truth and real policy instead of bloviating assholes.
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