BETO for PRESIDENT!

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  • PJPOWER
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JimmyV said:
    A Democrat that can get 4 million votes in Texas is doing something right. I would have to get to know him a little more before giving him my vote, but he would be a great addition to the primary.
    He did spend a ton more money on campaigning in TX than his opponent. That may have been a bit of a factor...but he still lost.
    I believe I heard on NPR, I know, GASP, that the candidate that spent the most won, in every race, regardless of party. “Corporations are people, my friend.” It was an interview with someone from Blue Wave which allows small money donors to donate to Dems anywhere. They act as a clearinghouse and every dem member of Congress is in their database.
    I’m not sure about that.  I know Beto had a lot more to spend than Cruz, and a lot of it came from outside donors through “Actblue”.  Do you have an NPR link where they broke that down?  
  • josevolution
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    JimmyV said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JimmyV said:
    A Democrat that can get 4 million votes in Texas is doing something right. I would have to get to know him a little more before giving him my vote, but he would be a great addition to the primary.
    He did spend a ton more money on campaigning in TX than his opponent. That may have been a bit of a factor...but he still lost.
    Yeah lost a race that he should’ve lost by 30 points I’d say he did well for himself..
    Exactly. Losing in Texas is no shame for a Democrat, while making Texas competitive is quite the accomplishment.
    Yep there’s a crack in the Texas Republican dam and it’s only gonna get bigger ...
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  • rgambs
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    I think the importance of political qualifications has taken a backseat to political baggage anyways, so Beto is a fair choice.  Inexperience is the new experience.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JimmyV said:
    A Democrat that can get 4 million votes in Texas is doing something right. I would have to get to know him a little more before giving him my vote, but he would be a great addition to the primary.
    He did spend a ton more money on campaigning in TX than his opponent. That may have been a bit of a factor...but he still lost.
    I believe I heard on NPR, I know, GASP, that the candidate that spent the most won, in every race, regardless of party. “Corporations are people, my friend.” It was an interview with someone from Blue Wave which allows small money donors to donate to Dems anywhere. They act as a clearinghouse and every dem member of Congress is in their database.
    I’m not sure about that.  I know Beto had a lot more to spend than Cruz, and a lot of it came from outside donors through “Actblue”.  Do you have an NPR link where they broke that down?  
    That’s what it was, Actblue. I heard it while driving so no link but I’ll see if I can find it. It was interesting but also disgusting when you consider how much money is spent by all sides. Part of the reason better candidates don’t run, IMHO.
     
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    It might have been one of these?

    https://www.npr.org/tags/588951487/actblue

    https://www.npr.org/2018/09/17/648849091/campaigns-creating-ads-that-bring-money-in-not-just-send-messages-out

    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/27/588941252/trump-powers-small-dollar-donor-surge-for-democratic-fundraising-site

    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/26/588927114/resistance-to-trumps-presidency-is-helping-groups-on-the-left-raise-money
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  • PJPOWER
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JimmyV said:
    A Democrat that can get 4 million votes in Texas is doing something right. I would have to get to know him a little more before giving him my vote, but he would be a great addition to the primary.
    He did spend a ton more money on campaigning in TX than his opponent. That may have been a bit of a factor...but he still lost.
    I believe I heard on NPR, I know, GASP, that the candidate that spent the most won, in every race, regardless of party. “Corporations are people, my friend.” It was an interview with someone from Blue Wave which allows small money donors to donate to Dems anywhere. They act as a clearinghouse and every dem member of Congress is in their database.
    I’m not sure about that.  I know Beto had a lot more to spend than Cruz, and a lot of it came from outside donors through “Actblue”.  Do you have an NPR link where they broke that down?  
    That’s what it was, Actblue. I heard it while driving so no link but I’ll see if I can find it. It was interesting but also disgusting when you consider how much money is spent by all sides. Part of the reason better candidates don’t run, IMHO.
     
    Agreed, if people donated as much to “real” causes, there would probably be a lot less starvation and homelessness...
  • mrussel1
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    OnWis97 said:
    Lock Him Up!

    (applies to whoever gets the Dem nomination)
    I like how you're ahead of the game.  Well played. 
  • brianlux
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    mrussel1 said:
    Policies are important but you need someone that can  enthusiastically sell the policies.

    Clinton and Obama were different in their styles,  one with soaring rhetoric and other with Southern charm.  But the effects were similar. 
    This is a good point.

    Also, I have long said that the president is one person and that we should not put so much emphasis on one single person setting policy, making all the big decisions, etc.  That, I believe, should be more a responsibility for the legislative and judicial branches.  Someone like Beto who has charisma and good ideas would represent us FAR BETTER than some oaf who spends much of his day tweeting like a teenager Twitter (now who do you suppose I might be talking about?!)

    So yeah, Beto, why not!
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Policies are important but you need someone that can  enthusiastically sell the policies.

    Clinton and Obama were different in their styles,  one with soaring rhetoric and other with Southern charm.  But the effects were similar. 
    This is a good point.

    Also, I have long said that the president is one person and that we should not put so much emphasis on one single person setting policy, making all the big decisions, etc.  That, I believe, should be more a responsibility for the legislative and judicial branches.  Someone like Beto who has charisma and good ideas would represent us FAR BETTER than some oaf who spends much of his day tweeting like a teenager Twitter (now who do you suppose I might be talking about?!)

    So yeah, Beto, why not!
    There's your slogan!
  • Meltdown99
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    Can not see Clinton beating him if he runs...


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  • fife
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    Gern Blansten said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
  • mickeyrat
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    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think you have to look at the Democratic party makeup and understand that it responds best to charismatic, positive leaders.  Clinton and Obama fit a particular mold.  Beto does as well.  
    Interesting, I thought Clinton and Obama were quite different in regards to positivity and charisma.  Regardless, are you saying that charisma and positivity are more important than actual success or policies?  Seems a bit surface level.
    that would be Bill not Hillary......
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  • PJPOWER
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    mickeyrat said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think you have to look at the Democratic party makeup and understand that it responds best to charismatic, positive leaders.  Clinton and Obama fit a particular mold.  Beto does as well.  
    Interesting, I thought Clinton and Obama were quite different in regards to positivity and charisma.  Regardless, are you saying that charisma and positivity are more important than actual success or policies?  Seems a bit surface level.
    that would be Bill not Hillary......
    That makes a bit more sense, ha!
  • Gern Blansten
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    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
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  • OnWis97
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    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    I think Beto has more "Obama" to him than any of the names being floated for the nomination.  He's a fairly fresh face who will move us from the same ol' shit (see: BushBush/ClintonClinton).  He's energetic and should be able to bring people to the polls like Obama and unlike Hillary.  He doesn't seem to have skeleton's in his closet.  Is he experienced enough?  Well, Trump can't really attack him on that front.

    Beating Trump is important.  Important enough that I care more about electability than issues, knowledge, or experience (particularly since it is flat out impossible that anyone elected would handle the role worse than Trump).  At this point, Beto looks more electable than anyone.  
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    OnWis97 said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    fife said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Sanders/O'Rourke
    oh God, do people really want Sanders? 
    I hope so
    its not that I am against him but i (and this might be ageism) want young blood in a way.  Obama came out of no where and won and i think the reason was that he was fresh.  I am ok with the person having the same beliefs but just want it to be someone new.
    I think Beto has more "Obama" to him than any of the names being floated for the nomination.  He's a fairly fresh face who will move us from the same ol' shit (see: BushBush/ClintonClinton).  He's energetic and should be able to bring people to the polls like Obama and unlike Hillary.  He doesn't seem to have skeleton's in his closet.  Is he experienced enough?  Well, Trump can't really attack him on that front.

    Beating Trump is important.  Important enough that I care more about electability than issues, knowledge, or experience (particularly since it is flat out impossible that anyone elected would handle the role worse than Trump).  At this point, Beto looks more electable than anyone.  
    his one skeleton is a DUI, but it's out of the closet. 
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  • dignin
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    The contrast between him and Trump would be staggering, could you imagine.
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    he's a white male, so that's something for Trump's base to consider. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    he's a white male, so that's something for Trump's base to consider. 
    I think his base likes orange better than white, but I will give you the male part.
  • my2hands
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think you have to look at the Democratic party makeup and understand that it responds best to charismatic, positive leaders.  Clinton and Obama fit a particular mold.  Beto does as well.  
    Interesting, I thought Clinton and Obama were quite different in regards to positivity and charisma.  Regardless, are you saying that charisma and positivity are more important than actual success or policies?  Seems a bit surface level.
    The more charismatic candidate won each time. Policy and experience be damned. 

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