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  • njnancy
    njnancy Posts: 5,096
    OnWis97 said:
    njnancy said:
    Lost Heitkamp in ND.
    She is the second Dem incumbent of the night that was hurt by a vote against Kavanaugh.
    And there was the whole taking away the vote of Native Americans without a street address thing. 

    First Native American ever wins a house seat. Great and sad at the same time. 
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
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  • njnancy
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    mrussel1 said:
    njnancy said:
    Democrats take the House, at least we now have a check on 45. Adam Schiff must be busy planning hearings tonight.
    You guys won't have Devin Nunes to kick around anymore - Dick Nixon
    Is Roger Stone's back speaking in tongues again? Good riddance Nunez.
  • mrussel1
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    Jason P said:
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
    That's not true at all.  

    But we need real evidence.  The only thing that comes close right now is emoluments.  Now if the administration starts refusing subpoenas.  We're about to watch two years hardball politics.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,245
    Jason P said:
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
    No. The House can still impeach. The senate won’t likely convict unless the evidence of multiple violations of law, as reported on by Team Mueller and based on fact. Unlike the repub hearings and show trials of congresses  past.
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  • brianlux
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    I was in a Goodwill store today and the Roseville store (which always has the best music playing in all the Sacramento area Goodwill stores) was cranking Patti Smith's "People Have the Power".  I said out loud. "Perfect election day song, Patti, right on!"
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  • mrussel1
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    On a more dour note,  the losses in Florida and Ohio,  in a democratic year,  tells me these states may be lost.  Turning into Missouri...

    Cordray hasn't lost yet,  but it's not looking great. 
  • Jason P
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    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
    That's not true at all.  

    But we need real evidence.  The only thing that comes close right now is emoluments.  Now if the administration starts refusing subpoenas.  We're about to watch two years hardball politics.  
    Pelosi has stated that it would need to be bipartisan if she would chase impeachment.  No way republicans join that fight. 

    And since the house was a lot closer than projected and required some Democrats to portray they are republican in close races there is no way it will be pursued from a strategic standpoint. 
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  • njnancy
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    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
    That's not true at all.  

    But we need real evidence.  The only thing that comes close right now is emoluments.  Now if the administration starts refusing subpoenas.  We're about to watch two years hardball politics.  
    Obstruction of justice - they have that in his twitter feed alone. The House impeaches - the same as with Clinton. His was for lying about his blow job. But two thirds of the Senate have to vote for impeachment also which is what would remove him from office. The Senate did not meet this threshold with Clinton. Nixon split before he was thrown out and indicted. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
    That's not true at all.  

    But we need real evidence.  The only thing that comes close right now is emoluments.  Now if the administration starts refusing subpoenas.  We're about to watch two years hardball politics.  
    Pelosi has stated that it would need to be bipartisan if she would chase impeachment.  No way republicans join that fight. 

    And since the house was a lot closer than projected and required some Democrats to portray they are republican in close races there is no way it will be pursued from a strategic standpoint. 
    Speculation in the absence of Team Mueller’s report is quite different than speculation with Team Mueller’s report exonerating Team Trump Treason. Nancy had to say all the nice things prior to the election. Politics.
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  • njnancy
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    edited November 2018
    Dems have announced they are requesting Trump's tax returns. They can do this. Don't need permission. Of course Mueller has had them for who knows how long.
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  • PJPOWER
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    njnancy said:
    Beto lost, Cruz keeps his seat by the thinnest of margins. But still. 
    I wonder how many democrats outside of TX voted for Beto!  Just a theory, ha.
    Oh these political shenanigans, they’re too much, just too much :)
  • njnancy
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    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    Beto lost, Cruz keeps his seat by the thinnest of margins. But still. 
    I wonder how many democrats outside of TX voted for Beto!  Just a theory, ha.
    Oh these political shenanigans, they’re too much, just too much :)
    Doesn't make sense.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Dems take the House! Small things.
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  • Jason P
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
    That's not true at all.  

    But we need real evidence.  The only thing that comes close right now is emoluments.  Now if the administration starts refusing subpoenas.  We're about to watch two years hardball politics.  
    Pelosi has stated that it would need to be bipartisan if she would chase impeachment.  No way republicans join that fight. 

    And since the house was a lot closer than projected and required some Democrats to portray they are republican in close races there is no way it will be pursued from a strategic standpoint. 
    Speculation in the absence of Team Mueller’s report is quite different than speculation with Team Mueller’s report exonerating Team Trump Treason. Nancy had to say all the nice things prior to the election. Politics.
    Perhaps.  I really think it would take Muellers report to have an earth shattering revelation. 
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  • PJPOWER
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    njnancy said:
    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    Beto lost, Cruz keeps his seat by the thinnest of margins. But still. 
    I wonder how many democrats outside of TX voted for Beto!  Just a theory, ha.
    Oh these political shenanigans, they’re too much, just too much :)
    Doesn't make sense.
    Well it seemed like everyone except TX voters wanted Robert to win...he was riding quite the wave outside of TX.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
    That's not true at all.  

    But we need real evidence.  The only thing that comes close right now is emoluments.  Now if the administration starts refusing subpoenas.  We're about to watch two years hardball politics.  
    Pelosi has stated that it would need to be bipartisan if she would chase impeachment.  No way republicans join that fight. 

    And since the house was a lot closer than projected and required some Democrats to portray they are republican in close races there is no way it will be pursued from a strategic standpoint. 
    Speculation in the absence of Team Mueller’s report is quite different than speculation with Team Mueller’s report exonerating Team Trump Treason. Nancy had to say all the nice things prior to the election. Politics.
    Perhaps.  I really think it would take Muellers report to have an earth shattering revelation. 
    Do you doubt there is there, there?
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  • njnancy
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    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    PJPOWER said:
    njnancy said:
    Beto lost, Cruz keeps his seat by the thinnest of margins. But still. 
    I wonder how many democrats outside of TX voted for Beto!  Just a theory, ha.
    Oh these political shenanigans, they’re too much, just too much :)
    Doesn't make sense.
    Well it seemed like everyone except TX voters wanted Robert to win...he was riding quite the wave outside of TX.
    Seems like he almost won in TX which is unheard of in TX so it seems that TX voters who are the only people who can vote in TX took quite a liking to him as well. 
  • Jason P
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    Any hopes for impeachment have gone down the drain. 
    That's not true at all.  

    But we need real evidence.  The only thing that comes close right now is emoluments.  Now if the administration starts refusing subpoenas.  We're about to watch two years hardball politics.  
    Pelosi has stated that it would need to be bipartisan if she would chase impeachment.  No way republicans join that fight. 

    And since the house was a lot closer than projected and required some Democrats to portray they are republican in close races there is no way it will be pursued from a strategic standpoint. 
    Speculation in the absence of Team Mueller’s report is quite different than speculation with Team Mueller’s report exonerating Team Trump Treason. Nancy had to say all the nice things prior to the election. Politics.
    Perhaps.  I really think it would take Muellers report to have an earth shattering revelation. 
    Do you doubt there is there, there?
    I have no idea.  It better be bigger then trying to net Junior. 
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