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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ice cubes & wine should def not ever be paired ..
    I like things cold so if I don’t have time to chill my reds I throw a few ice cubes in. 
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,128
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ice cubes & wine should def not ever be paired ..
    I like things cold so if I don’t have time to chill my reds I throw a few ice cubes in. 
    All class
    That’s how I roll. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    Ice cubes & wine should def not ever be paired ..
    I like things cold so if I don’t have time to chill my reds I throw a few ice cubes in. 
    You CHILL red wine?
    This must be a typo


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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    McGruff dont give AF

    It's common in parts of Asia to put ice in your beer. My vietnamese buddy I play poker with always gets ice in his beer

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,128
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ice cubes & wine should def not ever be paired ..
    I like things cold so if I don’t have time to chill my reds I throw a few ice cubes in. 
    You CHILL red wine?
    This must be a typo
    Hell yeah, try it. Put it in the fridge for an hour.  Red wine should be served 60-70 degrees.  It is a common misconception to serve at room temperature. And my2hands is right, I don’t give a fuck lol. My wife puts ice cubes in her glass when drinking cider; I picked that up when visiting Ireland. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,128
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ways-to-chill-red-wine-2015-8
    People don't know how to drink red wine. 

    I'm sorry, but it's true. They always make one huge mistake. 

    They go to the wine store, buy a bottle, take it home, pop the cork, pour a glass, and sit back to enjoy themselves in near total ignorance of how little pleasure they're actually extracting from that lusty Syrah or luscious Cabernet. 

    The problem is a basic one: the wine is too warm. 

    Don't feel bad if you've been doing this for your entire wine-drinking existence. Almost everyone drinks red wine too warm. 

    So what temperature should your red wine be? 

    It should be between 60-65 degrees Fahrenheit. At that temperature, the flavors of the wine will be sharp and fresh, and the wine's textures will find full expression. 

    It's no accident that 60-65 degrees is the ideal temperature. That's what you'll find in most European wine cellars. "Cellar temperature" — it's not too hot, not too cold. Just right. 

    So how do you take a wine from a 70-75 degree room temperature (or higher) and bring it down the ideal "cellar temperature?" 

    Here are some quick hacks: 

    Refrigerate the wine

    Juts pop the bottle into the fridge for about 15 minutes. If you're in a hurry, the freezer is an option, but I don't recommend it. It exposes the wine to too much cold, too fast. And the enemy of wine is abrupt temperature change.

    Plunge it into an ice bath

    Fill an ice bucket with ice and water. Then add some salt. This will chill down the wine in about 10 minutes or less. Just touch-test the bottle to make sure it isn't getting too cold. 

    Plop an ice cube in the wine

    Heresy! This is a last resort, but if you drop an ice cube in the wine and pluck it out a minute or two later, you'll drop the temperature and not add much in the way of melted water to dilute the wine. 

    Use a chiller

    A lot of wine shops have wine chillers that can quickly cool down a bottle of white wine. But they can chill a red, too. I'm not a huge fan because the temperature change is extreme and therefore potentially damaging to the wine, but it's an option. 

    A cold mountain stream

    There it is, running past your campsite. Nature has provided a wonderful cooling system for that bottle of Pinot Noir you packed in for five miles.

    ice cubes
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,128

    https://vinepair.com/wine-101/right-temperature-serve-every-type-wine/

    The Wine Temperature Serving Guide

    The reason we try to serve wine at their correct temperatures is because the temperature can dramatically impact the way a wine smells and tastes. By serving the wine at its ideal temperature, we ensure we have the best experience.

    Here are three general rules that should serve you well:

    Sparkling Wine Should Be Served Ice Cold — 40 to 50 degrees

    We like to put our bubbly in the freezer about an hour before we pop it – but don’t forget about it or you’ll have an explosion. If you’re short on time, you can also place the bottle in an ice bucket for 30 minutes and have similar results. The ice cold temperature will keep the bubbles fine rather than foamy. After you open the bottle and pour the first glasses, you should place the open bottle on ice until the entire bottle is finished.

    White Wine And Rosé Should Be Served Cold — 50 to 60 degrees

    The best way to get white wine and rose cold is to place it in the fridge immediately after buying it; however, if you buy the wine the same day you want to drink it, either leave it in the fridge for several hours, or you can place it in the freezer for about 30 minutes. That should do the trick!  After opening the bottle and pouring everyone their first glass, we prefer not to place it on ice, but instead let the bottle sweat on the table, as the wine’s aromas and character changes slightly as the temperature rises, which we love.


    Red Wine Should Be Served Cool — 60 to 70 degrees

    The most common misconception with red wine is that it is ideal to serve it at room temperature, when in fact serving it cool is the best way to enjoy it. To cool red down to its proper temperature, we like to place it in the fridge an hour before serving it. For quicker results, you can put it in the freezer for just 15 minutes. After opening and either decanting or pouring the first glasses, just as with white we like leaving the wine out on the table to slowly warm.

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Googling stuff!

     http://socialvignerons.com/2017/05/22/why-you-should-never-add-ice-cubes-to-red-wine/

    Why You Should Never Add Ice Cubes To Red Wine

    May 22, 2017 | Posted by Julien Miquel BlogGuest PostsWine KnowledgeWine Porn & Fun

    Tradition holds that red wines are for drinking during cold weather because they have a tendency to warm you and that white wines are for summer months when you want a cooler drink.

    Convention also says that red wines are served at room temperature while whites are served cold. But for wine drinkers who prefer red wines, there is a conflict.


    Suppose you want to continue to drink your red wine, but desire a cooler temperature?

    It is a conundrum that never seems to go away – should you put ice cubes in your red wine if you desire a cool drink?

    Of course, you can do whatever you like, but is it a good solution?

    Adding ice to your wine is often looked upon with disdain by other wine drinkers after all the wine maker has gone to great lengths to craft the wine’s flavor. So yes, wine temperature is a matter of personal preference, but it is also a matter of science.


    Wine Temperatures 101

    Wine temperature is a key element in knowing how to best store and serve your wines. The rules are not set in stone, but there are several guides that can help you keep your wine at its best flavor and prevent chemical deterioration.

    Guest blogger Kate Robinson posted the Wine Serving and Storage Temperatures 101 article, which includes helpful guides for the optimum temperature for serving and storing red wines.

    For storing temperatures there are no solid rules. For red wines, the best place for storage is a cool and dark place void of sunlight and away from excessive heat. Excessive heat and light can ruin a good wine by causing its chemicals to deteriorate.

    Ice Cubes in Red wine?

    Robinson states that most red wines should be served at temperatures between 60F to 68F (16C to 20C). This sets the temperature just below room temperature so that the wine is not overly warmed.

    When red wine is served too cold it can result in an unpleasant acidic taste and more prominent tannins. Lower temperatures have a tendency to suppress the wine’s aroma and chemical makeup.


    Aroma and mouth feel are two critical components of wine tasting. Within each glass of wine are various combinations of flavors and aromas, such as apple, blackberries, oak, rose petal, vanilla, and cherry (just to name a few). Simply put, adding an ice to your glass of red wine prevents the chemicals from escaping into the air and giving the wine the taste that it is intended to have.

    The cold delivered by the ice cubes will cause the wine to quickly lose its taste.

    The problem becomes even more exaggerated when the melted ice adds more water to the wine further diluting the aromas. This dilution also affects the acidity and tannins in the wine that then diminishes the intensity of the mouth feel.

    Carolyn F. Ross and Karen Weller have detailed the sensory effects of wine and temperature in an article published in The Journal of Sensory Studies. The title of their study is Effect of Serving Temperature on the Sensory Attributes of Red and White Wines.


    The purpose of the study was to examine the sensory impact of the serving temperature of wines on prominent wine sensory qualities. While it is common practice to serve red wine at room temperature because it is thought to enhance wine aroma while quieting the bitterness often found in red wines, there has been little scientific research that addresses the effect of serving temperatures on wine attributes.

    Carolyn Ross also pairs up with John Reganold in creating a very readable bulleted informative document for wine lovers. This document provides the reader with charts and graphs explaining the science behind the making and enjoying of wine with a particular emphasis on the sensory experience of wine drinking.

    Science or no science, you just want to enjoy your red wine chilled. There are some alternative ways for you to do this without severely altering the attributes of the wine.

    Chilling Wine

    Chilling your wine is simply that – chilling. You don’t want to drop ice cubes into your wine glass or you will end up with a diluted flat tasting wine and alter the wine’s attributes.

    Here are some alternative ways to chill your red wine without the use of ice cubes.

    • Ice Bucket – Place the bottle into an ice bucket for approximately fifteen minutes.
    • Refrigerator – Place the wine bottle in a refrigerator for fifteen to thirty minutes. You want to reinvigorate the wine, not turn it into slush.
    • Wine Chillers – There are currently products on the market that are made to chill your wine. They fit into the wine bottle and can cool down room temperature reds.
    • Grapes – Chill the wine with the fruit that it is made with. Purchase grapes, and place them in the freezer. Add about four grapes to your wine glass and in less than five minutes it will drop the temperature approximately twenty degrees.
    • Wine Cubes – Instead of using ice cubes made from water, freeze the wine itself in ice cube trays and then add them to your wine.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Look at the uncultured American owning fuckers lol

    Get em McGruff!!!!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited October 2018
    I like the frozen grape idea. I've never heard that. Never put ice in there though, man. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,128
    @The Juggler I know I am completely 100000% wrong adding ice cubes to my wine but I like it and as my2 hands said, I don’t give af lol. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • I see cider with ice here. But our country is cold most of the time so nobody would add ice to anything really . I like all the info . I will educate myself


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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited October 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    @The Juggler I know I am completely 100000% wrong adding ice cubes to my wine but I like it and as my2 hands said, I don’t give af lol. 
    Try the frozen grapes next time. I might give that a go too actually. You risk diluting the taste with the ice though. Too risky!
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,128
    I like the frozen grape idea. I've never heard that. Never put ice in there though, man. 
    lol, I'll try the frozen grape idea.  People who come to my house never leave hungry and we never run out of wine.  ;)  I think I mentioned it before but I am not a big red wine guy, I usually only drink it when I get together with my father in law and brother in law.  When I drink too much of it I get dry mouth and my heart races at night.  Give me an IPA, vodka/club or white wine any night of the week.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Ice cubes & wine should def not ever be paired ..
    I like things cold so if I don’t have time to chill my reds I throw a few ice cubes in. 
    You CHILL red wine?
    This must be a typo
    Hell yeah, try it. Put it in the fridge for an hour.  Red wine should be served 60-70 degrees.  It is a common misconception to serve at room temperature. And my2hands is right, I don’t give a fuck lol. My wife puts ice cubes in her glass when drinking cider; I picked that up when visiting Ireland. 

    Ice in cider is normal, Cletus.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,839
    What I’ve learned from all of this....

    1) there is science behind what temp a wine (or other beverage for that matter) should be consumed. Heck it’s why those crappy beers want you to drink them ice cold...so you don’t taste them!
    2) But who gives a F? Drink what you like and enjoy :)
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    @The Juggler I know I am completely 100000% wrong adding ice cubes to my wine but I like it and as my2 hands said, I don’t give af lol. 
    Try the frozen grapes next time. I might give that a go too actually. You risk diluting the taste with the ice though. Too risky!
    Frozen grapes are actually tasty on their own, too. They're like little popsicles. 

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,128
    edited October 2018
    my2hands said:
    Look at the uncultured American owning fuckers lol

    Get em McGruff!!!!
    Totally uncultured. lol.  Like I said, you'll never leave my house hungry or sober (that's your choice).  Always plenty to go around.  Shit my immediate family is coming over tomorrow and I just spent over $250 on alcohol so everyone can have the drink they want.  Craft beer, miller lite, cab (usually $15-$20/bottle), pinot grigio, tito's, gin and scotch.  I've learned to be a good host.  ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    And yes, red wine shouldn't be at room temperature unless your room is a cellar, but damn right it shouldn't have ice cubes in it. 
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