Canadian Politics Redux

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

dignin said:

The conservatives trying to make hay with that little girls murder is disgusting.

Yet somehow I doubt her father feels that way...

I'm curious as to why you are not arguing that the Canadian legal system has no jurisdiction over this First Nations offender, given that that is your position with other aspects of Canadian law and policy. 

WTF ... even the chief of that reserve is shocked that she is there.  As a matter of fact, up until 6 years ago, the government consulted with the reserve who got to go there.  They also used to send village elders to interview potential inmates and even have rejected some inmates.  I'm pretty sure if the chief and band council approval were sought they would have rejected a child killer coming onto their reserve into a facility with no fences.  Do you even know fuck all about this case, or are you that much of a bleeding liberal that you can't see placing a child murderer (she admitted she killed her after he raped her over and over) in that facility is just WRONG, this woman qualifies for capital punishment.  But she is not because people like you apparently do not have a problem with child killers in unsecured facilities.

So to answer your question.  I absolutely support native rights.  They were not consulted.  Also, I don't think she is first nations, because they said anyone can go to a healing center.  They would not have mentioned that if she was first nations.  So unless you have proof that she is first nations, your question is irrelevant.  I also find it ignorant, you think first nation people's want child murderers walking amongst them?  Minimum security prison should not be reserved for child killers...

Every day when those monsters committed those horrendous crimes we in Ontario absorbed the news daily, we saw the pain and anguish this family went through.  Maybe the justice system should also consult the family of the victims.  Your opinion matters very little if you even have .0000001% sympathy for animals like that.

We will ship her to BC ... then you bleeding hearts can have her.

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

dignin said:

The conservatives trying to make hay with that little girls murder is disgusting.

Yet somehow I doubt her father feels that way...

I'm curious as to why you are not arguing that the Canadian legal system has no jurisdiction over this First Nations offender, given that that is your position with other aspects of Canadian law and policy. 

WTF ... even the chief of that reserve is shocked that she is there.  As a matter of fact, up until 6 years ago, the government consulted with the reserve who got to go there.  They also used to send village elders to interview potential inmates and even have rejected some inmates.  I'm pretty sure if the chief and band council approval were sought they would have rejected a child killer coming onto their reserve into a facility with no fences.  Do you even know fuck all about this case, or are you that much of a bleeding liberal that you can't see placing a child murderer (she admitted she killed her after he raped her over and over) in that facility is just WRONG, this woman qualifies for capital punishment.  But she is not because people like you apparently do not have a problem with child killers in unsecured facilities.

So to answer your question.  I absolutely support native rights.  They were not consulted.  Also, I don't think she is first nations, because they said anyone can go to a healing center.  They would not have mentioned that if she was first nations.  So unless you have proof that she is first nations, your question is irrelevant.  I also find it ignorant, you think first nation people's want child murderers walking amongst them?  Minimum security prison should not be reserved for child killers...

Every day when those monsters committed those horrendous crimes we in Ontario absorbed the news daily, we saw the pain and anguish this family went through.  Maybe the justice system should also consult the family of the victims.  Your opinion matters very little if you even have .0000001% sympathy for animals like that.

We will ship her to BC ... then you bleeding hearts can have her.

It is reported in the media that it has been confirmed that she is First Nations; thus, my question. How do you see her rights as a First Nations person being upheld in this situation, given your usual position? 

I haven’t stated my opinion on most of the issues above that you assume my opinion on, and I certainly haven’t stated an opinion for my whole province. That’s absurd. 

She lost her rights the minute she was guilty in my opinion.  By the way, if the chief and band council were consulted and she was approved, then that would be fine.  But by the reaction of the chief, I don't think they would have allowed her there.  But I have not seen any proof she is first nations.  Remember this EVIL FUCKING BITCH did the actually bludgeoning of Tori Stafford and she watches her equally guilty POS partner rape her repeatedly.  I can not FUCKING believe there are people like you who actually try t0 justify the decision.  There is no justification for what corrections Canada did.

I do not give a rats ass if Sheer makes it political.  Trudeau did the same after the Coulton Bushey acquittal.

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

dignin said:

The conservatives trying to make hay with that little girls murder is disgusting.

Yet somehow I doubt her father feels that way...

I'm curious as to why you are not arguing that the Canadian legal system has no jurisdiction over this First Nations offender, given that that is your position with other aspects of Canadian law and policy. 

WTF ... even the chief of that reserve is shocked that she is there.  As a matter of fact, up until 6 years ago, the government consulted with the reserve who got to go there.  They also used to send village elders to interview potential inmates and even have rejected some inmates.  I'm pretty sure if the chief and band council approval were sought they would have rejected a child killer coming onto their reserve into a facility with no fences.  Do you even know fuck all about this case, or are you that much of a bleeding liberal that you can't see placing a child murderer (she admitted she killed her after he raped her over and over) in that facility is just WRONG, this woman qualifies for capital punishment.  But she is not because people like you apparently do not have a problem with child killers in unsecured facilities.

So to answer your question.  I absolutely support native rights.  They were not consulted.  Also, I don't think she is first nations, because they said anyone can go to a healing center.  They would not have mentioned that if she was first nations.  So unless you have proof that she is first nations, your question is irrelevant.  I also find it ignorant, you think first nation people's want child murderers walking amongst them?  Minimum security prison should not be reserved for child killers...

Every day when those monsters committed those horrendous crimes we in Ontario absorbed the news daily, we saw the pain and anguish this family went through.  Maybe the justice system should also consult the family of the victims.  Your opinion matters very little if you even have .0000001% sympathy for animals like that.

We will ship her to BC ... then you bleeding hearts can have her.

It is reported in the media that it has been confirmed that she is First Nations; thus, my question. How do you see her rights as a First Nations person being upheld in this situation, given your usual position? 

I haven’t stated my opinion on most of the issues above that you assume my opinion on, and I certainly haven’t stated an opinion for my whole province. That’s absurd. 

She lost her rights the minute she was guilty in my opinion.  By the way, if the chief and band council were consulted and she was approved, then that would be fine.  But by the reaction of the chief, I don't think they would have allowed her there.  But I have not seen any proof she is first nations.  Remember this EVIL FUCKING BITCH did the actually bludgeoning of Tori Stafford and she watches her equally guilty POS partner rape her repeatedly.  I can not FUCKING believe there are people like you who actually try t0 justify the decision.  There is no justification for what corrections Canada did.

I do not give a rats ass if Sheer makes it political.  Trudeau did the same after the Coulton Bushey acquittal.

What am I trying to justify?

i have posted in favour of making decisions about correctional policy on the basis of evidence of efficacy, and that’s it. I have said nothing about this particular inmate. All the rest is your own elaborate fantasy. I generally prefer to make decisions on the basis of best available evidence and not my gut reaction, but you seem to disagree. 

You have made clear in this thread and others that you don’t think Canadian law and policy applies to First Nations people, at least with respect to hunting, fishing and land use issues. I’m curious as to which aspects you feel do apply, and why. 

Whar proof do you generally require from people before you agree they are First Nations, in other instances?  

Meltdown99 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Great news! Matthew de Grood, who killed five people in 2014, is set to be reintegrated into the community!

The families are angered: "We strongly defy anyone that suggests this risk is manageable or acceptable," wrote the families last month in a joint statement. "The absolute evil and heinous nature of the crime he committed can not be overstated and the prospect of this person being re-integrated into our community is beyond comprehension."

Sheesh. Get over it already.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/crimeincanada/quintuple-killer-matthew-de-grood-to-be-transferred-to-edmonton-for-reintegration-into-community/ar-BBNTisp?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

Why even lock these scum up.  Might as well just let them all be paroled from day 1.

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

dignin said:

The conservatives trying to make hay with that little girls murder is disgusting.

Yet somehow I doubt her father feels that way...

I'm curious as to why you are not arguing that the Canadian legal system has no jurisdiction over this First Nations offender, given that that is your position with other aspects of Canadian law and policy. 

WTF ... even the chief of that reserve is shocked that she is there.  As a matter of fact, up until 6 years ago, the government consulted with the reserve who got to go there.  They also used to send village elders to interview potential inmates and even have rejected some inmates.  I'm pretty sure if the chief and band council approval were sought they would have rejected a child killer coming onto their reserve into a facility with no fences.  Do you even know fuck all about this case, or are you that much of a bleeding liberal that you can't see placing a child murderer (she admitted she killed her after he raped her over and over) in that facility is just WRONG, this woman qualifies for capital punishment.  But she is not because people like you apparently do not have a problem with child killers in unsecured facilities.

So to answer your question.  I absolutely support native rights.  They were not consulted.  Also, I don't think she is first nations, because they said anyone can go to a healing center.  They would not have mentioned that if she was first nations.  So unless you have proof that she is first nations, your question is irrelevant.  I also find it ignorant, you think first nation people's want child murderers walking amongst them?  Minimum security prison should not be reserved for child killers...

Every day when those monsters committed those horrendous crimes we in Ontario absorbed the news daily, we saw the pain and anguish this family went through.  Maybe the justice system should also consult the family of the victims.  Your opinion matters very little if you even have .0000001% sympathy for animals like that.

We will ship her to BC ... then you bleeding hearts can have her.

It is reported in the media that it has been confirmed that she is First Nations; thus, my question. How do you see her rights as a First Nations person being upheld in this situation, given your usual position? 

I haven’t stated my opinion on most of the issues above that you assume my opinion on, and I certainly haven’t stated an opinion for my whole province. That’s absurd. 

She lost her rights the minute she was guilty in my opinion.  By the way, if the chief and band council were consulted and she was approved, then that would be fine.  But by the reaction of the chief, I don't think they would have allowed her there.  But I have not seen any proof she is first nations.  Remember this EVIL FUCKING BITCH did the actually bludgeoning of Tori Stafford and she watches her equally guilty POS partner rape her repeatedly.  I can not FUCKING believe there are people like you who actually try t0 justify the decision.  There is no justification for what corrections Canada did.

I do not give a rats ass if Sheer makes it political.  Trudeau did the same after the Coulton Bushey acquittal.

What am I trying to justify?

i have posted in favour of making decisions about correctional policy on the basis of evidence of efficacy, and that’s it. I have said nothing about this particular inmate. All the rest is your own elaborate fantasy. I generally prefer to make decisions on the basis of best available evidence and not my gut reaction, but you seem to disagree. 

You have made clear in this thread and others that you don’t think Canadian law and policy applies to First Nations people, at least with respect to hunting, fishing and land use issues. I’m curious as to which aspects you feel do apply, and why. 

Whar proof do you generally require from people before you agree they are First Nations, in other instances?  

Go fucking argue with the rest of your bleeding heart liberals.  She bludgeoned to a death an 8-year girl after she watched her being repeatedly raped.  I don't give a rats ass what she fucking claims to be, a family member of hers disputes her first nations claim.  Now quit being known it all bleeding heart liberal a liberal ... 

WTF...

Well, that’s a compelling argument.  

And I voted Green in the last election, so there.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Great news! The motion to overturn McClintic's transfer to a healing lodge was overturned!  

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/after-heated-debate-hurled-insults-tory-motion-to-overturn-child-killers-transfer-to-healing-lodge-defeated/ar-BBNTxOu?li=AAggFp5&ocid=edgsp

Trudeau, probably looking really stylish, talked about how great his party was that it respects the rules, judicial system, and the correctional services versus acknowledging a problem might exist within those branches.

And people wonder why Canada is starting to lean towards right wing morons such as Doug Ford. Trudeau called the cons 'ambulance chasers'. While he might have hoped they would have said nothing about this brutal display of correctional incompetence... I have to say their tactic- whether altruistic or not- has worked. Trudeau, aaaaaaagain, looks like he just wasn't ready.