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Ok you got me. I have no idea what your point is here.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does that include Lindsey? Because he wants to stay, “relevant.”cincybearcat said:When asked how he could reconcile being friends with John McCain and work with Fo and Trump, Lindsey graham said this...
“Asked by Bash how he squares his close friendship with McCain to his new relationship with Trump, Graham said, "If you know anything about me, I want to be relevant.”
straight up admits it. I hate politicians
https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/25/pf/coming-out-at-work/index.html
Ummmm yeah I was saying I hate Lindsey graham and him admitting his biggest concern is staying relevant.hippiemom = goodness0 -
She ended up being a pretty divisive character. Why would he have to have her there? We know that pres candidates pick VP candidates for reasons....friendship usually ain’t one of those reasons.HughFreakingDillon said:
I heard that and found that to be quite odd.unsung said:Sarah Palin, no matter what anyone here thinks of her, always stood by McCain even after the election. She was hurt deeply when he said she was a mistake.
She also just received notice that she is not invited to the funeral. Even in death McCain remains a sad and pitiful human being.hippiemom = goodness0 -
He was asked about being friends with John and working with trump. He said he could be friends with someone and work with his friends enemy as long as it helps him remain relevant. Meaning he will work with trump not because of political alignment or ideals, but because he wants to keep his job, even if it means going against those ideals....that’s what I took it to mean anyhow. Perhaps wrong, I read it a while ago now and my memory ain’t grand all the time.HughFreakingDillon said:
I understood that to mean he wanted to be involved. not in the limelight.cincybearcat said:When asked how he could reconcile being friends with John McCain and work with Fo and Trump, Lindsey graham said this...
“Asked by Bash how he squares his close friendship with McCain to his new relationship with Trump, Graham said, "If you know anything about me, I want to be relevant.”
straight up admits it. I hate politicianshippiemom = goodness0 -
Put two and two together. And no, I’m not attacking you.cincybearcat said:
Ok you got me. I have no idea what your point is here.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does that include Lindsey? Because he wants to stay, “relevant.”cincybearcat said:When asked how he could reconcile being friends with John McCain and work with Fo and Trump, Lindsey graham said this...
“Asked by Bash how he squares his close friendship with McCain to his new relationship with Trump, Graham said, "If you know anything about me, I want to be relevant.”
straight up admits it. I hate politicians
https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/25/pf/coming-out-at-work/index.html
Ummmm yeah I was saying I hate Lindsey graham and him admitting his biggest concern is staying relevant.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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he didn't HAVE to have her there, it just seems odd to me. many of these invites are for PR reasons only. it seems weird to me he'd exclude his presidential running mate. it would have been a nice gesture, but hey, who knows what their personal relationship was.cincybearcat said:
She ended up being a pretty divisive character. Why would he have to have her there? We know that pres candidates pick VP candidates for reasons....friendship usually ain’t one of those reasons.HughFreakingDillon said:
I heard that and found that to be quite odd.unsung said:Sarah Palin, no matter what anyone here thinks of her, always stood by McCain even after the election. She was hurt deeply when he said she was a mistake.
She also just received notice that she is not invited to the funeral. Even in death McCain remains a sad and pitiful human being.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Yes, sorry, I meant to say "eligible voters". They are responsible for Trump.... Mainly Dems and all others who didn't want Trump to win but who didn't vote or refused to vote strategically to keep Trump out of the WH. Them and their precious "consciences". But McCain's pathetic Palin choice probably did have a role in Trump getting to that point. We probably all understand the influence Palin (shockingly and bizarrely) had in the rise of Tea Party type populism, which probably did ultimately lead to a Trump WH. Of course, we don't know if that wouldn't have happened anyhow, one way or another, and we never will. I definitely don't directly blame McCain for Trump. But I definitely directly blame him for Palin, obviously.jeffbr said:I'm certainly not defending his choice, and I didn't vote for him/them. I just mean it is a much clearer fail in hindsight. If your running mate is out-polling both of the players on the opposing ticket and is seen as a rising star, then it adds youth and appeal to what otherwise would have been a stodgy ticket. There were definitely worse choices he could have made, but not many. Had he picked Romney he might have made a better showing. But to blame McCain for Trump's rise because he picked Palin as a running mate is a dumb as blaming Dems for Trump because of the way they would demonize any reasonable GOP candidate (like a Romney), and because they put up one of the only people on the face of the earth who could have lost to Trump. The blame for Trump lies squarely on the non-voters, and the low-information voters who voted for him.
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i don't think anyone was ever DIRECTLY blaming McCain for Trump, just in an influential way, as you stated.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sorry, I meant to say "eligible voters". They are responsible for Trump.... Mainly Dems and all others who didn't want Trump to win but who didn't vote or refused to vote strategically to keep Trump out of the WH. Them and their precious "consciences". But McCain's pathetic Palin choice probably did have a role in Trump getting to that point. We probably all understand the influence Palin (shockingly and bizarrely) had in the rise of Tea Party type populism, which probably did ultimately lead to a Trump WH. Of course, we don't know if that wouldn't have happened anyhow, one way or another, and we never will. I definitely don't directly blame McCain for Trump. But I definitely directly blame him for Palin, obviously.jeffbr said:I'm certainly not defending his choice, and I didn't vote for him/them. I just mean it is a much clearer fail in hindsight. If your running mate is out-polling both of the players on the opposing ticket and is seen as a rising star, then it adds youth and appeal to what otherwise would have been a stodgy ticket. There were definitely worse choices he could have made, but not many. Had he picked Romney he might have made a better showing. But to blame McCain for Trump's rise because he picked Palin as a running mate is a dumb as blaming Dems for Trump because of the way they would demonize any reasonable GOP candidate (like a Romney), and because they put up one of the only people on the face of the earth who could have lost to Trump. The blame for Trump lies squarely on the non-voters, and the low-information voters who voted for him.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
I didn't think so either, but from jeffbr's post there, it made me think maybe some people were! ... I mean, there probably are I guess, lol, in this brave new mad mad world.HughFreakingDillon said:
i don't think anyone was ever DIRECTLY blaming McCain for Trump, just in an influential way, as you stated.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sorry, I meant to say "eligible voters". They are responsible for Trump.... Mainly Dems and all others who didn't want Trump to win but who didn't vote or refused to vote strategically to keep Trump out of the WH. Them and their precious "consciences". But McCain's pathetic Palin choice probably did have a role in Trump getting to that point. We probably all understand the influence Palin (shockingly and bizarrely) had in the rise of Tea Party type populism, which probably did ultimately lead to a Trump WH. Of course, we don't know if that wouldn't have happened anyhow, one way or another, and we never will. I definitely don't directly blame McCain for Trump. But I definitely directly blame him for Palin, obviously.jeffbr said:I'm certainly not defending his choice, and I didn't vote for him/them. I just mean it is a much clearer fail in hindsight. If your running mate is out-polling both of the players on the opposing ticket and is seen as a rising star, then it adds youth and appeal to what otherwise would have been a stodgy ticket. There were definitely worse choices he could have made, but not many. Had he picked Romney he might have made a better showing. But to blame McCain for Trump's rise because he picked Palin as a running mate is a dumb as blaming Dems for Trump because of the way they would demonize any reasonable GOP candidate (like a Romney), and because they put up one of the only people on the face of the earth who could have lost to Trump. The blame for Trump lies squarely on the non-voters, and the low-information voters who voted for him.
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Say what you will about John McCain but his 106 year old mother is a young whippersnapper. Apparently, after being denied a rental car in Europe because of her age, she bought one. At 100 years old. That’s a woman I’d do shots with. We should all be so full of “can do.”09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Oh, that is actually quite sad to know his mom is still alive and had to see her son die.
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Very sad. He wasn’t a young man though. So kinda bittersweet. Would I like to get to see my daughter live her full amazing life? Hmmmm. But to watch them suffer and pass.... probably not worth itPJ_Soul said:Oh, that is actually quite sad to know his mom is still alive and had to see her son die.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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calling someone the worst parents after saying you don't know anything about them is irrational.Meltdown99 said:
I do not not know anything about Trumps parents ... nothing about the Trump family leads me to believe they were good parents, Trump behaves like he has never heard the word no and was given whatever he wants...they are the worst parents.HughFreakingDillon said:
yikesMeltdown99 said:
The blame for Trump should be on his parents for not aborting him.fife said:
very interesting article but to be honest, I do get tired of people blaming him for trump because he picked Palin. the Blame for Trump should be placed squarely on the public and no one else.HughFreakingDillon said:
If you think Trump parents were good people ... thats your choice...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
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But dear, maybe they weren't even close or friends...unsung said:Sarah Palin, no matter what anyone here thinks of her, always stood by McCain even after the election. She was hurt deeply when he said she was a mistake.
She also just received notice that she is not invited to the funeral. Even in death McCain remains a sad and pitiful human being.
... and she's a fucking idiot...Chris Matthews-Sarah Palin a Frightening Empty Vessel With Nothing Going On Mentally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBsl_5yXQQ4
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Sitting president uninvited to the funeral , his phone was taken away last night no tweets this morning?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Anybody watching the funeral? Looks like it will be quite a spectacle. I'm a sucker for this type of stuff. Always interesting to see old friends and politely enemies coming together for an event like this.
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I did not realize it was televised. Only 24/7 cable news is showing it?Hi! said:Anybody watching the funeral? Looks like it will be quite a spectacle. I'm a sucker for this type of stuff. Always interesting to see old friends and politely enemies coming together for an event like this.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
McCain’s mom looks amazing for 106 I’m amazed at that ..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Im streaming it free on my Roku NBC News channel.Meltdown99 said:
I did not realize it was televised. Only 24/7 cable news is showing it?Hi! said:Anybody watching the funeral? Looks like it will be quite a spectacle. I'm a sucker for this type of stuff. Always interesting to see old friends and politely enemies coming together for an event like this.Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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