paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Until the law actually says in a court of law that Trump is guilty on this particular matter, than I will be skeptical. Is buying a happy meal at McDonalds so Trump doesn’t pass out from lack of food and hurt his campaign a campaign contribution? That is extreme but I just don’t think this is a black and white issue and if competent attorneys get involved for Trump I could see this one going his way.
I don't think you quite understand what's going on here. Cohen has pled guilty to this as a crime. He, the prosecution and the judge also agreed that this was a crime. He committed this crime under the direction of Trump, he stated so under oath with no benefits from cooperation. This is no small thing and can't be compared to eating some fast food. Trump, if he wasn't currently president, would be charged as a co-conspirator.
I haven’t read up on everything about it, but of course the prosecution says it is a crime, and if Cohen can get a deal by saying it is a crime and Lowe his sentence on the tax evasion matters than he will have no problem saying it is a crime. I guess I am saying that the criminality has not been challenged in court yet. That Cohen agreed to reduce his sentence does not mean that it is automatically a crime for Trump. The prosecution still needs to prove it is a crime in court under the law and the facts to convict trump.
Okay, but he would still be charged with a crime. If we all just sit back and take that in.....your president should be in court fighting a criminal charge. That's a huge deal. And as I'm sure we all know, this is only the beginning.
Pretty amazing and we haven’t even got to the dooshy kids yet.
So has the official countdown to the Pence train rolling into station started yet? Sure looks like that’s the direction things are heading! Sure are a lot of people eager to make Pence the incumbent in the next election, not sure how that would end up.
it would end up with coathangers in back alleys and a bible in every school desk, that's how it will end up.
If that’s the case, is it better/worse than the status quo? Do people think that once Trump is out of office that they will be raising victory flags? I think it will be bittersweet for the ones trying so hard to get Trump out if/when it happens. I wonder if the odds of an incumbent win will be better or worse if Pence is the incumbent president...
depends on the balance of power in the two houses. I think a lot of people on the left are outraged at Trump's past and how he conducts himself towards women and minorities; it's kind of disgraceful to have that type of person as a president, especially one that seems to utterly unaware of their own idiocy.
the fear is what trump says/said he will do, and that he has the power in the executive branch to get these things done. luckily so far some of those human rights issues have been overturned by the courts.
he is making it embarassing to be an american to those who care about that image. he is making it proud to be an american by those who have the attitude of "fuck everyone else, we are AMERICA".
pence won't tweet. he will give occasional unemotional, uncomfortable speeches that look like he's being spoken through by an alien race. he will say things that will harken back to the early to mid 1900's. but he ultimately may get nothing done.
and then in 2024 the pendulum will swing back the other way and Alyssa Milano will be president.
#whostheboss2024
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
So has the official countdown to the Pence train rolling into station started yet? Sure looks like that’s the direction things are heading! Sure are a lot of people eager to make Pence the incumbent in the next election, not sure how that would end up.
it would end up with coathangers in back alleys and a bible in every school desk, that's how it will end up.
If that’s the case, is it better/worse than the status quo? Do people think that once Trump is out of office that they will be raising victory flags? I think it will be bittersweet for the ones trying so hard to get Trump out if/when it happens. I wonder if the odds of an incumbent win will be better or worse if Pence is the incumbent president...
depends on the balance of power in the two houses. I think a lot of people on the left are outraged at Trump's past and how he conducts himself towards women and minorities; it's kind of disgraceful to have that type of person as a president, especially one that seems to utterly unaware of their own idiocy.
the fear is what trump says/said he will do, and that he has the power in the executive branch to get these things done. luckily so far some of those human rights issues have been overturned by the courts.
he is making it embarassing to be an american to those who care about that image. he is making it proud to be an american by those who have the attitude of "fuck everyone else, we are AMERICA".
pence won't tweet. he will give occasional unemotional, uncomfortable speeches that look like he's being spoken through by an alien race. he will say things that will harken back to the early to mid 1900's. but he ultimately may get nothing done.
and then in 2024 the pendulum will swing back the other way and Alyssa Milano will be president.
#whostheboss2024
That makes a lot of sense. Alyssa Milano, lol? I’d be lying if I said that would surprise me. I don’t know if I would be surprised if Snapchat won the presidency in 2024, though, lol
What system do you prefer? The jury system works pretty well...
I think professional judges who have studied law should be involved.
In Sweden we have professional judges involved (1 out of 4 in district courts, 3 lay judges) and I think 3 in the second tier courts where they are the majority.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
So has the official countdown to the Pence train rolling into station started yet? Sure looks like that’s the direction things are heading! Sure are a lot of people eager to make Pence the incumbent in the next election, not sure how that would end up.
it would end up with coathangers in back alleys and a bible in every school desk, that's how it will end up.
If that’s the case, is it better/worse than the status quo? Do people think that once Trump is out of office that they will be raising victory flags? I think it will be bittersweet for the ones trying so hard to get Trump out if/when it happens. I wonder if the odds of an incumbent win will be better or worse if Pence is the incumbent president...
depends on the balance of power in the two houses. I think a lot of people on the left are outraged at Trump's past and how he conducts himself towards women and minorities; it's kind of disgraceful to have that type of person as a president, especially one that seems to utterly unaware of their own idiocy.
the fear is what trump says/said he will do, and that he has the power in the executive branch to get these things done. luckily so far some of those human rights issues have been overturned by the courts.
he is making it embarassing to be an american to those who care about that image. he is making it proud to be an american by those who have the attitude of "fuck everyone else, we are AMERICA".
pence won't tweet. he will give occasional unemotional, uncomfortable speeches that look like he's being spoken through by an alien race. he will say things that will harken back to the early to mid 1900's. but he ultimately may get nothing done.
and then in 2024 the pendulum will swing back the other way and Alyssa Milano will be president.
#whostheboss2024
That makes a lot of sense. Alyssa Milano, lol? I’d be lying if I said that would surprise me. I don’t know if I would be surprised if Snapchat won the presidency in 2024, though, lol
I think the age of a career politician at the highest level might be coming to a close. we're now in the "who has the most twitter followers" or "who is the most famous" age.
I mean, jesus, when trump got elected who did many on the left look to? Oprah Freaking Winfrey. at least she had enough sense to say "uh, yeah, no".
This would have made a good slogan though:
#freehealthcareunderyourchair
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
What system do you prefer? The jury system works pretty well...
I think professional judges who have studied law should be involved.
In Sweden we have professional judges involved (1 out of 4 in district courts, 3 lay judges) and I think 3 in the second tier courts where they are the majority.
I guess no system is perfect ... I still have plenty of faith that the system get it right most of the time. It's better than China and Saudi Arabia system ...
Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter. SAD.
#standuptostupid
Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter. SAD.
#standuptostupid
Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
That thought crossed my mind as soon as they went into day 3 of delibs.
Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter. SAD.
#standuptostupid
Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
Again the trump supported REPORTED that one woman held out...it wasn’t her.
Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter. SAD.
#standuptostupid
Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
Again the trump supported REPORTED that one woman held out...it wasn’t her.
I was referring to the alleged hold out as having been tampered with.
Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter. SAD.
#standuptostupid
Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
Again the trump supported REPORTED that one woman held out...it wasn’t her.
I was referring to the alleged hold out as having been tampered with.
so why would the hold-out agree to convict on 8 of the 18 if she had been paid off? that doesn't make much sense.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
More attention by the prosecution on jury selection might have prevented that but maybe the amount of evidence made them lazy?
A preponderance of FACTS worked against them with the Trumpito supporter. SAD.
#standuptostupid
Wonder if she was tampered with in any way? Maybe check her spend history? Whether she suddenly got a new set of wheels or is taking a trip of a life time soon?
Again the trump supported REPORTED that one woman held out...it wasn’t her.
I was referring to the alleged hold out as having been tampered with.
so why would the hold-out agree to convict on 8 of the 18 if she had been paid off? that doesn't make much sense.
Because the 8 were just so ridiculously obvious they couldn’t explain to their fellow jurors why they can acquit. But hey, they tried, right? And I didn’t say they had been paid off, just wondering if they might have been tampered with and maybe the press should do some digging.
Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
Couldn't there just as easily have been avid Hillary Clinton or DNC or Barack Obama supporters? If you're looking for an impartial jury, you're not being realistic. Everybody has values, therefore everybody has bias.
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Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
Couldn't there just as easily have been avid Hillary Clinton or DNC or Barack Obama supporters? If you're looking for an impartial jury, you're not being realistic. Everybody has values, therefore everybody has bias.
In which case it’s incumbent upon the defense to be diligent in the jury selection process, if that is of concern or they think it would inhibit a fair trial for their client.
Duncan described herself as an avid supporter of President Trump.
Couldn't there just as easily have been avid Hillary Clinton or DNC or Barack Obama supporters? If you're looking for an impartial jury, you're not being realistic. Everybody has values, therefore everybody has bias.
Yeah, but an avid Trump supporter is a special kind of stupid that shouldn't be deciding the fate of anybody.
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the fear is what trump says/said he will do, and that he has the power in the executive branch to get these things done. luckily so far some of those human rights issues have been overturned by the courts.
he is making it embarassing to be an american to those who care about that image. he is making it proud to be an american by those who have the attitude of "fuck everyone else, we are AMERICA".
pence won't tweet. he will give occasional unemotional, uncomfortable speeches that look like he's being spoken through by an alien race. he will say things that will harken back to the early to mid 1900's. but he ultimately may get nothing done.
and then in 2024 the pendulum will swing back the other way and Alyssa Milano will be president.
#whostheboss2024
lol
In Sweden we have professional judges involved (1 out of 4 in district courts, 3 lay judges) and I think 3 in the second tier courts where they are the majority.
I mean, jesus, when trump got elected who did many on the left look to? Oprah Freaking Winfrey. at least she had enough sense to say "uh, yeah, no".
This would have made a good slogan though:
#freehealthcareunderyourchair
Has CNN shown up to their workplace for questioning?
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It was another woman sticking to her "not guilty".
Thankfully she won't be at the DC trial. DOJ can take what they've learned from Tessie here and apply it to a properly chosen and sequestered jury.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/16/app-politics-section/mueller-manafort-evidence-next-trial/index.html
Good luck Manny, yer gonna need it.
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David Pecker Granted Immunity in Cohen Case
Publishing executive met with prosecutors to describe involvement of Cohen, Trump in hush-money deals to women ahead of 2016 election
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pecker-granted-immunity-in-cohen-case-1535041976?mod=hp_lead_pos1
Uh oh. More rats fleeing a sinking ship.
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