This merch situation is really frustrating.

Eroom21 · August 2018

It’s probably not true, but while in line waiting for merch, the person next to me was telling me how merch people were slipping posters through the fence for $100.

Eroom21 · August 2018

opsopcopolis said:

leep75 said:

walked right in last night right before going into the field. The display had all 5 posters up so I was excited that perhaps they had them....no luck. Only had the baby brain and ONE rubber arms ball player and it had massive damage to the upper left hand corner. I offered $10 for it, but the manager said no way. Hell, I even offered to buy the 3 I wanted off the display but he wouldn't budge on that either.

They wouldn't let you buy the display ones? That seems weird. I've definitely bought display prints before

I tried to buy a display poster, but the merch guy said that the PJ people said not to sell them.

deadendp · August 2018

Eroom21 said:

opsopcopolis said:

leep75 said:

walked right in last night right before going into the field. The display had all 5 posters up so I was excited that perhaps they had them....no luck. Only had the baby brain and ONE rubber arms ball player and it had massive damage to the upper left hand corner. I offered $10 for it, but the manager said no way. Hell, I even offered to buy the 3 I wanted off the display but he wouldn't budge on that either.

They wouldn't let you buy the display ones? That seems weird. I've definitely bought display prints before

I tried to buy a display poster, but the merch guy said that the PJ people said not to sell them.

#MysteryBox

Gern Blansten · August 2018

renelesur said:

On Saturday morning I waited in line at the main merch tent for 2 hours. When I got to the counter they were out of all posters but the baby brain, all stickers, and wrist bands. I ended up getting a shirt and keychain. While walking around the stadium I happened upon a line fans that I knew wasn't the GA line. It ended up being a line waiting for a satellite merch stand to open at 3pm. At this time it was 1pm and I was 50th in line. They had a hefty amount of all posters and other items. By 3pm the line was well over 200 people long. It took 4 hours of time in line, but I got the items that I set out for. Also got to hear some of "Let's Play Two" while I waited in line. Not a bad deal there.

Similar thing happened to me Saturday except I was at the SE corner of Wrigley. I had just gone down there to see if anyone was lining up to get in at 530, my thought was I would get in early to snag the Thomas poster. I followed the merch line from the trailer on the south side of Wrigley and noticed the other line forming at the trailer on the SE side. I got in line there figuring if 530 came around I would just pop in. We waited in line about an hour and a half. I kept seeing the Thomas poster get purchased but was surprised at how many people in line DIDN'T buy one. I was shitting my pants as I got up there...of the four people in front of me I think one purchased a Thomas.

It really does suck that we have to spend so much time chasing this stuff. I guess that is a consequence of being a PJ fan....

Gern Blansten · August 2018

And to add to the misery....I'll be heading to Fenway to stress about all of this again. I hope the posters look like shit.

PJ-Cubs · August 2018

Gern Blansten said:

And to add to the misery....I'll be heading to Fenway to stress about all of this again. I hope the posters look like shit.

I am actually also hoping for bad posters at Fenway. Maybe 4 posters with skulls and one weird one that you can’t read the band’s name on.

Or at least no clear “winner” like the Thomas poster so demand is spread out across different prints.

nicknyr15 · August 2018

PJ-Cubs said:

Gern Blansten said:

And to add to the misery....I'll be heading to Fenway to stress about all of this again. I hope the posters look like shit.

I am actually also hoping for bad posters at Fenway. Maybe 4 posters with skulls and one weird one that you can’t read the band’s name on.

Or at least no clear “winner” like the Thomas poster so demand is spread out across different prints.

I can’t believe it’s gotten so bad that we’re rooting for horrible posters lol.

Gern Blansten · August 2018

nicknyr15 said:

PJ-Cubs said:

Gern Blansten said:

And to add to the misery....I'll be heading to Fenway to stress about all of this again. I hope the posters look like shit.

I am actually also hoping for bad posters at Fenway. Maybe 4 posters with skulls and one weird one that you can’t read the band’s name on.

Or at least no clear “winner” like the Thomas poster so demand is spread out across different prints.

I can’t believe it’s gotten so bad that we’re rooting for horrible posters lol.

It's like heroin. I don't need anymore posters. But if they look good I have to have them

tubes10s · August 2018

Eddieredder said:
I wish it were that simple. 10C is only a handful of people. They have to outsource. Seems like a great idea in theory, but when it comes to execution its not that simple. Staffing, returns, shipping, customer service etc etc etc.

And if the rarity is crushed by mass production........will we all chip in to buy the extra inventory they are stuck with? Pretty sure we won't.

According to the way that folks talk here, they don't want the posters because they are rare. They want them because they were at the show, just enjoy the art, etc etc. Worrying about the perceived rarity of items doesn't have a place if anyone actually cares to curb the merch flipping madness.

FactoryMan93 · August 2018

I was GA for the Monday show... literally as we were walking through to the field, there was a stoppage with a merch both right beside. Grabbed the posters and stickers I wanted. Didn't wait at all. Why people want to waste their lives in line, even if it to flip, I will always be curious. I enjoyed a beautiful weekend in Chicago, besides being in wet clothing Monday night. There is a good thing that comes out of this. I am not saying to support flippers, but they do do all the dirty work.

kaseylily · August 2018

Eroom21 said:

opsopcopolis said:

leep75 said:

walked right in last night right before going into the field. The display had all 5 posters up so I was excited that perhaps they had them....no luck. Only had the baby brain and ONE rubber arms ball player and it had massive damage to the upper left hand corner. I offered $10 for it, but the manager said no way. Hell, I even offered to buy the 3 I wanted off the display but he wouldn't budge on that either.

They wouldn't let you buy the display ones? That seems weird. I've definitely bought display prints before

I tried to buy a display poster, but the merch guy said that the PJ people said not to sell them.

Me too. Guy said he'd be fired immediately.

unknown · August 2018

my frustration comes with the fans actually doing the flipping. Like i can't understand it.

On the flip side, I've tried numerous times on here to ask for help from a fellow fan to trade

or buy the montana poster for my son, and I have only had 1 person pm me. its just crazy

pjl44 · August 2018

unknown said:

my frustration comes with the fans actually doing the flipping. Like i can't understand it.
On the flip side, I've tried numerous times on here to ask for help from a fellow fan to trade
or buy the montana poster for my son, and I have only had 1 person pm me. its just crazy

A few years back I helped someone on here looking for a poster and sold them an extra at cost. Several months later they were doing a "downsizing" sale and asking market value for it (a little over twice what they paid me).

If I know someone in real life, I would absolutely hook them up by picking up stuff or giving a deal. If I'm ever selling to a stranger here or any secondary situation, it would be full market value. These are non-essential items and thems the breaks.

mace1229 · August 2018

What I don't get is all the anger at flippers, but then a lot of those same people buy extras with the intent to trade for something of higher value. How is that not just flipped? Paying $35 for a poster and trading it for $100, or paying $35 for a poster with the intent to use it in a trade as $100 value seems like the same thing to me. Just funny to me how many are outraged over one while the other is completely acceptable. Both scenarios lead to more people who actually waited in line and were at the show not getting what they wanted while other profit from it.

Didn't get the poster I wanted. But they had tons of setlist shirts when I was there. I have zero desire for one of those and could have bought several and traded for many of the posters I'm looking for. Chose to just get only what I actually wanted instead.

PJ_Soul · August 2018

Eddieredder said:

nesper said:

Eddieredder said:

BV42562 said:

tubes10s said:

The folks who plan and control selling the merch have it all set up exactly like they want to create the short supply and frenzied demand. If they wanted to improve the situation, they would.

Agreed

And that solution is what? Lots of people yelling fire. Not a lot of people running for water. Double or triple the amount of production of the highly sought after items.........the lines stay the same length. Flippers will still be there.

They can make it all available online. Right now the situation appears to be creating demand and rarity over making fans happy. It doesn't really seem like the merchandising approach is in line with the band. Maybe they have minimal hands on the merch situation and this is contracted out, maybe they need to reevaluate who handles it for them or change the approach.

I wish it were that simple. 10C is only a handful of people. They have to outsource. Seems like a great idea in theory, but when it comes to execution its not that simple. Staffing, returns, shipping, customer service etc etc etc.

And if the rarity is crushed by mass production........will we all chip in to buy the extra inventory they are stuck with? Pretty sure we won't.

I feel like the venues are the ones who need to get in on this. Rogers Arena in Vancouver has recently set up an online store for concert merch, called VanBase in this case, and it allows fans to buy the merch via a pre-sale that starts the day before the show. The venue sends out an email reminder about it two days before the show (I think there was also a link to it in the TM reminder/info email). Then the merch is mailed out a couple days after the show. Obviously the venue itself is working with the artists or their merch suppliers to make this happen, and from what I can tell, it works super well. If this became common place with the major venues, that would be a great solution to all these crazy merch lines.

Eddieredder · August 2018

tubes10s said:

Eddieredder said:
I wish it were that simple. 10C is only a handful of people. They have to outsource. Seems like a great idea in theory, but when it comes to execution its not that simple. Staffing, returns, shipping, customer service etc etc etc.

And if the rarity is crushed by mass production........will we all chip in to buy the extra inventory they are stuck with? Pretty sure we won't.

According to the way that folks talk here, they don't want the posters because they are rare. They want them because they were at the show, just enjoy the art, etc etc. Worrying about the perceived rarity of items doesn't have a place if anyone actually cares to curb the merch flipping madness.

I'm with you. I could care less. But again I'm not on the hook for production and logistics.

Whether they admit it or not, there are a lot of people who do care about the posters being limited. I'd like to think this wasn't the case, but the merch frenzy speaks otherwise.

Big Bank Hank · August 2018

I asked if any 10c members attending Wrigley getting merchandise could pick me up a extra poster. My final cost with shipping was 42.00 shipped today & have a confirmation number, maybe those of us who are real fans can help each other like that in the future so as to avoid flippers on Ebay & getting price gouged, maybe they could even create a new category in the forum specifically for that purpose. It's super easy when you use PayPal

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PJ_Soul · August 2018

Eddieredder said:

tubes10s said:

Eddieredder said:
I wish it were that simple. 10C is only a handful of people. They have to outsource. Seems like a great idea in theory, but when it comes to execution its not that simple. Staffing, returns, shipping, customer service etc etc etc.

And if the rarity is crushed by mass production........will we all chip in to buy the extra inventory they are stuck with? Pretty sure we won't.

According to the way that folks talk here, they don't want the posters because they are rare. They want them because they were at the show, just enjoy the art, etc etc. Worrying about the perceived rarity of items doesn't have a place if anyone actually cares to curb the merch flipping madness.

I'm with you. I could care less. But again I'm not on the hook for production and logistics.

Whether they admit it or not, there are a lot of people who do care about the posters being limited. I'd like to think this wasn't the case, but the merch frenzy speaks otherwise.

Absolutely they do. Even many of the fans who want the poster because they are at the show and/or really like the art also have thoughts of price appreciation in the backs of their minds at least, and many others have it at the front of their minds, which is why they buy more than one for themselves. One for them, one to store and hopefully sell later for a ton of cash, or trade later for another valuable item. There is also a kind of inherent value factor in limited items for collectors.... but I'm not really convinced that that is particularly separate from potential inflated value. Whether collectors want to admit it or not, I think the $$ value is always a factor with limited items. People just like valuable stuff, and getting it for a bargain (aka face value)!

MB93672 · August 2018

Big Bank Hank said:

I asked if any 10c members attending Wrigley getting merchandise could pick me up a extra poster. My final cost with shipping was 42.00 shipped today & have a confirmation number, maybe those of us who are real fans can help each other like that in the future so as to avoid flippers on Ebay & getting price gouged, maybe they could even create a new category in the forum specifically for that purpose. It's super easy when you use PayPal

Agreed. I did this for several people on this tour, all at face value. Happy to help if I can.

BV42562 · August 2018

nesper said:

Eddieredder said:

BV42562 said:

tubes10s said:

The folks who plan and control selling the merch have it all set up exactly like they want to create the short supply and frenzied demand. If they wanted to improve the situation, they would.

Agreed

And that solution is what? Lots of people yelling fire. Not a lot of people running for water. Double or triple the amount of production of the highly sought after items.........the lines stay the same length. Flippers will still be there.

They can make it all available online. Right now the situation appears to be creating demand and rarity over making fans happy. It doesn't really seem like the merchandising approach is in line with the band. Maybe they have minimal hands on the merch situation and this is contracted out, maybe they need to reevaluate who handles it for them or change the approach.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Not a popular thought but the answer is always " follow the money". Someone is benefiting from this approach and it can't just be flippers.

This merch situation is really frustrating.

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