Black voter support for Trump
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He's not, he's just a typical anarchist who gets a kick out of angering people while pretending not to get it.mrussel1 said:
Who the fuck cares if you trust exit polling. If you don't, then wait an hour when the final returns are in. My God, you can't possibly be this dense.JC29856 said:Have these simple questions been answered yet?
Aren't all polls conducted within 48 hours? Don't most polls sample 500-1000 participants?
I'm trying to figure out how Rasmussen polls are different (anomalies) compared to other polls.
At this point it doesn't matter, the real question is, do I trust exit polling? All this meaningless blabber can and will be answered in 27 months via exit polling. That's assuming of course we can trust exits.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Getting back to the topic at hand, what if, AA support for Trump has increased, (I'm inclined to think it has without getting into the degree or the reasons why) what does it say about those AAs that now support Trump?benjs said:
To reiterate:JC29856 said:Have these simple questions been answered yet?
Aren't all polls conducted within 48 hours? Don't most polls sample 500-1000 participants?
I'm trying to figure out how Rasmussen polls are different (anomalies) compared to other polls.
At this point it doesn't matter, the real question is, do I trust exit polling? All this meaningless blabber can and will be answered in 27 months via exit polling. That's assuming of course we can trust exits.
mrussel's comment was about how a small sample size introduces error rate, how the poll's purpose is on general population (not subset) conclusions, how no insight is given to the percentage of AA within the sampling, and yet a conclusion is provided about AAs. mrussel did not aspire to compare Rasmussen to any other poll (that was purely you), he simply established that Rasmussen's process is improper.
This thread had a very clear premise: based on Rasmussen's poll, black voters are favouring Trump. Since Rasmussen's poll's general population conclusions shouldn't be applied to black voters since they won't fit to a statistically significant degree, black voters can't be concluded to be favouring Trump.
I don't really care if you trust exit polling - like everything you've posted on here, it has little to nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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I don’t think you are getting anywhere when many don’t believe the poll. It is like the unemployment being the lowest for AA under Trump. But the numbers show it declining the last couple years under Obama...trending downward. Trump reaped the benefit there.91 - Ames Iowa CY Stephens Auditorium
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First you fight us as we patiently explain why the poll making conclusions about AAs is invalid for conclusions about AAs. Then, you tell us you won't explain why you feel there's a trend (i.e. won't source evidence). Then, you ask us to explain the trend that you won't tell us how you identified (meanwhile no one else has identified said trend other than your cryptic message, so you've given us zero to work with).JC29856 said:
Getting back to the topic at hand, what if, AA support for Trump has increased, (I'm inclined to think it has without getting into the degree or the reasons why) what does it say about those AAs that now support Trump?benjs said:
To reiterate:JC29856 said:Have these simple questions been answered yet?
Aren't all polls conducted within 48 hours? Don't most polls sample 500-1000 participants?
I'm trying to figure out how Rasmussen polls are different (anomalies) compared to other polls.
At this point it doesn't matter, the real question is, do I trust exit polling? All this meaningless blabber can and will be answered in 27 months via exit polling. That's assuming of course we can trust exits.
mrussel's comment was about how a small sample size introduces error rate, how the poll's purpose is on general population (not subset) conclusions, how no insight is given to the percentage of AA within the sampling, and yet a conclusion is provided about AAs. mrussel did not aspire to compare Rasmussen to any other poll (that was purely you), he simply established that Rasmussen's process is improper.
This thread had a very clear premise: based on Rasmussen's poll, black voters are favouring Trump. Since Rasmussen's poll's general population conclusions shouldn't be applied to black voters since they won't fit to a statistically significant degree, black voters can't be concluded to be favouring Trump.
I don't really care if you trust exit polling - like everything you've posted on here, it has little to nothing to do with the topic at hand.
What if, AA enjoyment of jelly beans has increased (and I'm inclined to think it has without getting into the degree or the reasons why) what does it say about those AAs that now enjoy jelly beans?
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Right, let's spend some time talking about a hypothetical sourced from his gut. Awesome, sounds like real winner.benjs said:
First you fight us as we patiently explain why the poll making conclusions about AAs is invalid for conclusions about AAs. Then, you tell us you won't explain why you feel there's a trend (i.e. won't source evidence). Then, you ask us to explain the trend that you won't tell us how you identified (meanwhile no one else has identified said trend other than your cryptic message, so you've given us zero to work with).JC29856 said:
Getting back to the topic at hand, what if, AA support for Trump has increased, (I'm inclined to think it has without getting into the degree or the reasons why) what does it say about those AAs that now support Trump?benjs said:
To reiterate:JC29856 said:Have these simple questions been answered yet?
Aren't all polls conducted within 48 hours? Don't most polls sample 500-1000 participants?
I'm trying to figure out how Rasmussen polls are different (anomalies) compared to other polls.
At this point it doesn't matter, the real question is, do I trust exit polling? All this meaningless blabber can and will be answered in 27 months via exit polling. That's assuming of course we can trust exits.
mrussel's comment was about how a small sample size introduces error rate, how the poll's purpose is on general population (not subset) conclusions, how no insight is given to the percentage of AA within the sampling, and yet a conclusion is provided about AAs. mrussel did not aspire to compare Rasmussen to any other poll (that was purely you), he simply established that Rasmussen's process is improper.
This thread had a very clear premise: based on Rasmussen's poll, black voters are favouring Trump. Since Rasmussen's poll's general population conclusions shouldn't be applied to black voters since they won't fit to a statistically significant degree, black voters can't be concluded to be favouring Trump.
I don't really care if you trust exit polling - like everything you've posted on here, it has little to nothing to do with the topic at hand.
What if, AA enjoyment of jelly beans has increased (and I'm inclined to think it has without getting into the degree or the reasons why) what does it say about those AAs that now enjoy jelly beans?0 -
blackhawks said:I don’t think you are getting anywhere when many don’t believe the poll. It is like the unemployment being the lowest for AA under Trump. But the numbers show it declining the last couple years under Obama...trending downward. Trump reaped the benefit there.
One good thing (amongst many others) from the 2016 election and the Trump presidency is the citizenry are finally taking the time to educate themselves about polls and polling. People are finally looking behind the numbers.Correct, the point is since most polls are conducted in the same manner, specifically dealing with segments of the population, ie: women, millennials, AA, etc etc, one can believe the Rasmussen poll as much or as little as any other poll taken. Every administration since the birth of this great nation uses poll numbers to prop their policies and presidency up.
I'm not sure what happened above, could be the lingering effects of the Russian pj forum hack.
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People, excluding you?JC29856 said:blackhawks said:I don’t think you are getting anywhere when many don’t believe the poll. It is like the unemployment being the lowest for AA under Trump. But the numbers show it declining the last couple years under Obama...trending downward. Trump reaped the benefit there.
One good thing (amongst many others) from the 2016 election and the Trump presidency is the citizenry are finally taking the time to educate themselves about polls and polling. People are finally looking behind the numbers.Correct, the point is since most polls are conducted in the same manner, specifically dealing with segments of the population, ie: women, millennials, AA, etc etc, one can believe the Rasmussen poll as much or as little as any other poll taken. Every administration since the birth of this great nation uses poll numbers to prop their policies and presidency up.
I'm not sure what happened above, could be the lingering effects of the Russian pj forum hack.0 -
How about i just go by what the AA i work with think of the baffoon out of 50 not one has told they are happy and think hi's doing a great job not one they all believe his a racist that could care less about their race .....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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I'm lost. What does Alcoholics Anonymous have to do with black support of Trump?
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lol I hear youbrianlux said:I'm lost. What does Alcoholics Anonymous have to do with black support of Trump?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Aryans Anonymousbrianlux said:I'm lost. What does Alcoholics Anonymous have to do with black support of Trump?
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Aryans Anonymousbrianlux said:I'm lost. What does Alcoholics Anonymous have to do with black support of Trump?
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I believe deep down in my gut that this trend has to do with Jelly Belly jelly beans being more readily available. They used to be a rare find, but now our cup runneth over and we have a variety of flavors to choose from...screw old-school jelly beans, right AAs?mrussel1 said:
Right, let's spend some time talking about a hypothetical sourced from his gut. Awesome, sounds like real winner.benjs said:
First you fight us as we patiently explain why the poll making conclusions about AAs is invalid for conclusions about AAs. Then, you tell us you won't explain why you feel there's a trend (i.e. won't source evidence). Then, you ask us to explain the trend that you won't tell us how you identified (meanwhile no one else has identified said trend other than your cryptic message, so you've given us zero to work with).JC29856 said:
Getting back to the topic at hand, what if, AA support for Trump has increased, (I'm inclined to think it has without getting into the degree or the reasons why) what does it say about those AAs that now support Trump?benjs said:
To reiterate:JC29856 said:Have these simple questions been answered yet?
Aren't all polls conducted within 48 hours? Don't most polls sample 500-1000 participants?
I'm trying to figure out how Rasmussen polls are different (anomalies) compared to other polls.
At this point it doesn't matter, the real question is, do I trust exit polling? All this meaningless blabber can and will be answered in 27 months via exit polling. That's assuming of course we can trust exits.
mrussel's comment was about how a small sample size introduces error rate, how the poll's purpose is on general population (not subset) conclusions, how no insight is given to the percentage of AA within the sampling, and yet a conclusion is provided about AAs. mrussel did not aspire to compare Rasmussen to any other poll (that was purely you), he simply established that Rasmussen's process is improper.
This thread had a very clear premise: based on Rasmussen's poll, black voters are favouring Trump. Since Rasmussen's poll's general population conclusions shouldn't be applied to black voters since they won't fit to a statistically significant degree, black voters can't be concluded to be favouring Trump.
I don't really care if you trust exit polling - like everything you've posted on here, it has little to nothing to do with the topic at hand.
What if, AA enjoyment of jelly beans has increased (and I'm inclined to think it has without getting into the degree or the reasons why) what does it say about those AAs that now enjoy jelly beans?0 -
Considering it's pretty obvious Trump is a racist ... it does make you wonder what's the matter with the 9%-12% that support him...must be wealthy people.brianlux said:I really don't know what all the noise is about. If you look at more than one poll, Trump's approval rating with blacks is somewhere between 9% and 12%. I'm not sure in which universe that is considered "doing well", but I'm pretty sure it not the one most of us live in.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Maybe 9% - 12% of the black population are just huge assholes, lol.Meltdown99 said:
Considering it's pretty obvious Trump is a racist ... it does make you wonder what's the matter with the 9%-12% that support him...must be wealthy people.brianlux said:I really don't know what all the noise is about. If you look at more than one poll, Trump's approval rating with blacks is somewhere between 9% and 12%. I'm not sure in which universe that is considered "doing well", but I'm pretty sure it not the one most of us live in.
But seriously, yeah, maybe you're right. Perhaps that is how much of that demographic who actually have a horse in the race business/money wise. That percentage is a believable number for that to be true.... And that means they are indeed all assholes. I can't imagine choosing money in such a situation. Where are their souls?
.... Which can also be said of every other Trump supporter.
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Case in point - Kanye.PJ_Soul said:
Maybe 9% - 12% of the black population are just huge assholes, lol.Meltdown99 said:
Considering it's pretty obvious Trump is a racist ... it does make you wonder what's the matter with the 9%-12% that support him...must be wealthy people.brianlux said:I really don't know what all the noise is about. If you look at more than one poll, Trump's approval rating with blacks is somewhere between 9% and 12%. I'm not sure in which universe that is considered "doing well", but I'm pretty sure it not the one most of us live in.
But seriously, yeah, maybe you're right. Perhaps that how much of that demographic who actually has a horse in the race business/money wise. That percentage is a believable number for that to be true.... And that means they are indeed all assholes. I can't imagine choosing money in such a situation. Where is their soul?
.... Which can also be said of every other Trump supporter.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Right (and jesus H christ re my grammar in that post, lol. I must have had a mini stroke while I was typing, lol)oftenreading said:
Case in point - Kanye.PJ_Soul said:
Maybe 9% - 12% of the black population are just huge assholes, lol.Meltdown99 said:
Considering it's pretty obvious Trump is a racist ... it does make you wonder what's the matter with the 9%-12% that support him...must be wealthy people.brianlux said:I really don't know what all the noise is about. If you look at more than one poll, Trump's approval rating with blacks is somewhere between 9% and 12%. I'm not sure in which universe that is considered "doing well", but I'm pretty sure it not the one most of us live in.
But seriously, yeah, maybe you're right. Perhaps that how much of that demographic who actually has a horse in the race business/money wise. That percentage is a believable number for that to be true.... And that means they are indeed all assholes. I can't imagine choosing money in such a situation. Where is their soul?
.... Which can also be said of every other Trump supporter.
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OK, now I get the whole "AA" thing. Assholes Anonymous. Got it!PJ_Soul said:
Maybe 9% - 12% of the black population are just huge assholes, lol.Meltdown99 said:
Considering it's pretty obvious Trump is a racist ... it does make you wonder what's the matter with the 9%-12% that support him...must be wealthy people.brianlux said:I really don't know what all the noise is about. If you look at more than one poll, Trump's approval rating with blacks is somewhere between 9% and 12%. I'm not sure in which universe that is considered "doing well", but I'm pretty sure it not the one most of us live in.
But seriously, yeah, maybe you're right. Perhaps that is how much of that demographic who actually have a horse in the race business/money wise. That percentage is a believable number for that to be true.... And that means they are indeed all assholes. I can't imagine choosing money in such a situation. Where are their souls?
.... Which can also be said of every other Trump supporter.
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“Hello, my name is Halifax, and I’m an.............” in unison. “Hello Halifax.”brianlux said:
OK, now I get the whole "AA" thing. Assholes Anonymous. Got it!PJ_Soul said:
Maybe 9% - 12% of the black population are just huge assholes, lol.Meltdown99 said:
Considering it's pretty obvious Trump is a racist ... it does make you wonder what's the matter with the 9%-12% that support him...must be wealthy people.brianlux said:I really don't know what all the noise is about. If you look at more than one poll, Trump's approval rating with blacks is somewhere between 9% and 12%. I'm not sure in which universe that is considered "doing well", but I'm pretty sure it not the one most of us live in.
But seriously, yeah, maybe you're right. Perhaps that is how much of that demographic who actually have a horse in the race business/money wise. That percentage is a believable number for that to be true.... And that means they are indeed all assholes. I can't imagine choosing money in such a situation. Where are their souls?
.... Which can also be said of every other Trump supporter.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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