Taxpayers should not fund ANY agenda.

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

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Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Honestly I would not decline protection, would you?

I wouldn't fucking have anything to do with that scumbag, and especially wouldn't work in the White House with him, even if he were my dad, so yes, I'd decline it, as I wouldn't need it. I would have disowned him by now.

No dork I was trying to say if your dad (not Trump) was president would you decline the protection of the secret service?

"no dork". I don't know why that made me laugh so hard. 

cincybearcat said:

I honestly find the arguments over presidential “vacations” to be fucking laughable as they work 24/7 and can do it anywhere.

However with trump in dont think he works on vacation and I actually think that’s a good thing.

Bit really the vacation comparison is pretty stupid 

blackhawks said:

PJ_Soul said:

blackhawks said:

I know reading is hard.  But I never stated Obama took more.  I just said he took vacations same as Trump.  So yeah....I am the smartest at reading comprehension.

So now you're just pretending that how much time they take off is irrelevant?

Absolutely not.   It it is weird that now you are saying you want Trump working more making more decisions which you do not agree with LOL.  The irony is deep there.  But yeah he is taking waaaaay more vacation than a working person should.  I wish I had 1/4 of that.  

HughFreakingDillon said:

blackhawks said:

PJ_Soul said:

blackhawks said:

I know reading is hard.  But I never stated Obama took more.  I just said he took vacations same as Trump.  So yeah....I am the smartest at reading comprehension.

So now you're just pretending that how much time they take off is irrelevant?

Absolutely not.   It it is weird that now you are saying you want Trump working more making more decisions which you do not agree with LOL.  The irony is deep there.  But yeah he is taking waaaaay more vacation than a working person should.  I wish I had 1/4 of that.  

if he spent more time working, maybe he'd take some time to actually do some research, listen to both sides, you know, actually using a fucking brain, instead of just making decisions based on hannity and fox and friends and then back to his KFC. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

I honestly find the arguments over presidential “vacations” to be fucking laughable as they work 24/7 and can do it anywhere.

However with trump in dont think he works on vacation and I actually think that’s a good thing.

Bit really the vacation comparison is pretty stupid 

it honestly is only brought up about trump (and the republican party) since he was such an outspoken critic of obama and his vacations, and now he's proven to be much worse. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I think McDonalds is his go-to choice. 

I'm 44 and fast food does not agree with me anymore. I used to love it to death. I don't know how a 70 year old can not feel like a corpse after injesting that garbage. 

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I think McDonalds is his go-to choice. 

I'm 44 and fast food does not agree with me anymore. I used to love it to death. I don't know how a 70 year old can not feel like a corpse after injesting that garbage. 

Well, I mean, a burger is a burger. You can get a burger in a gastro pub or at McDonald's - there is no reason one should feel any worse with the fast food burger in most cases, no matter how much better one tastes over the other. They're both just made of basic burger ingredients.... the gastro pub's bun might have more fiber I suppose, depending, lol. The fries are different though - McDonald's sprays theirs with liquid fructose before they're frozen (which is why they're so fucking good, lol).

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I think McDonalds is his go-to choice. 

I'm 44 and fast food does not agree with me anymore. I used to love it to death. I don't know how a 70 year old can not feel like a corpse after injesting that garbage. 

Well, I mean, a burger is a burger. You can get a burger in a gastro pub or at McDonald's - there is no reason one should feel any worse with the fast food burger in most cases, no matter how much better one tastes over the other. They're both just made of basic burger ingredients.... the gastro pub's bun might have more fiber I suppose, depending, lol. The fries are different though - McDonald's sprays theirs with liquid fructose before they're frozen (which is why they're so fucking good, lol).

facts are facts. I feel like shit everytime I eat Mcdonald's. about 3 or 4 years now I'd estimate. A&W is probably the place I feel the least shitty. Going to a regular restaurant, never have issues. could be a specific ingredient in McD's recipe, I don't know, but all I know is out of the blue every time I have it I feel like I'm about to fall into a coma. 

oh, and it ain't the taste. I fucking love the taste of McD's burgers. their cheeseburgers have an oddly addicting quality to them. 

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I think McDonalds is his go-to choice. 

I'm 44 and fast food does not agree with me anymore. I used to love it to death. I don't know how a 70 year old can not feel like a corpse after injesting that garbage. 

Well, I mean, a burger is a burger. You can get a burger in a gastro pub or at McDonald's - there is no reason one should feel any worse with the fast food burger in most cases, no matter how much better one tastes over the other. They're both just made of basic burger ingredients.... the gastro pub's bun might have more fiber I suppose, depending, lol. The fries are different though - McDonald's sprays theirs with liquid fructose before they're frozen (which is why they're so fucking good, lol).

facts are facts. I feel like shit everytime I eat Mcdonald's. about 3 or 4 years now I'd estimate. A&W is probably the place I feel the least shitty. Going to a regular restaurant, never have issues. could be a specific ingredient in McD's recipe, I don't know, but all I know is out of the blue every time I have it I feel like I'm about to fall into a coma. 

oh, and it ain't the taste. I fucking love the taste of McD's burgers. their cheeseburgers have an oddly addicting quality to them. 

I'm with you.  The only fast food I've had in the last 6 years in Chick Fil-a.  I never feel bad after eating that, but anything else I know it's killing me.  If there were no repercussions, I'd eat a Baconator from Wendy's at least 3x a week though.  

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I think McDonalds is his go-to choice. 

I'm 44 and fast food does not agree with me anymore. I used to love it to death. I don't know how a 70 year old can not feel like a corpse after injesting that garbage. 

Well, I mean, a burger is a burger. You can get a burger in a gastro pub or at McDonald's - there is no reason one should feel any worse with the fast food burger in most cases, no matter how much better one tastes over the other. They're both just made of basic burger ingredients.... the gastro pub's bun might have more fiber I suppose, depending, lol. The fries are different though - McDonald's sprays theirs with liquid fructose before they're frozen (which is why they're so fucking good, lol).

facts are facts. I feel like shit everytime I eat Mcdonald's. about 3 or 4 years now I'd estimate. A&W is probably the place I feel the least shitty. Going to a regular restaurant, never have issues. could be a specific ingredient in McD's recipe, I don't know, but all I know is out of the blue every time I have it I feel like I'm about to fall into a coma. 

oh, and it ain't the taste. I fucking love the taste of McD's burgers. their cheeseburgers have an oddly addicting quality to them. 

I'm with you.  The only fast food I've had in the last 6 years in Chick Fil-a.  I never feel bad after eating that, but anything else I know it's killing me.  If there were no repercussions, I'd eat a Baconator from Wendy's at least 3x a week though.  

The only think you have to feel bad about there is the fact that you're helping to fund a homophobic company.
I would suggest to anyone who isn't a homophobe to boycott Chick Fil-A.

The employees at Chick fil a are young and likely to be liberal.  They provide a good working wage for young people in my area, and teach them to work hard and be respectful.  It's a great place to eat.  The family owners are the conservative ones.  I guarantee after the elder statesmen of the family retires, they will go public.  Although everything will probably go to shit when that happens.