Taxpayers should not fund ANY agenda.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

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Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Honestly I would not decline protection, would you?

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Honestly I would not decline protection, would you?

I wouldn't fucking have anything to do with that scumbag, and especially wouldn't work in the White House with him, even if he were my dad, so yes, I'd decline it, as I wouldn't need it. I would have disowned him by now.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Honestly I would not decline protection, would you?

I wouldn't fucking have anything to do with that scumbag, and especially wouldn't work in the White House with him, even if he were my dad, so yes, I'd decline it, as I wouldn't need it. I would have disowned him by now.

No dork I was trying to say if your dad (not Trump) was president would you decline the protection of the secret service?

Go Beavers

trump’s privately owned business is benefitting monetarily at a direct expense to taxpayers. An ethical violation like this would get most government employees fired and any elected
official to be removed. Just another day in trump world though. 

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Honestly I would not decline protection, would you?

I wouldn't fucking have anything to do with that scumbag, and especially wouldn't work in the White House with him, even if he were my dad, so yes, I'd decline it, as I wouldn't need it. I would have disowned him by now.

No dork I was trying to say if your dad (not Trump) was president would you decline the protection of the secret service?

I don't know. I am not sure what it's like to have it, and don't know if I would feel under threat.
I know his piece of shit kids are because they're so easy to hate, lol.
Really I just think that this kids shouldn't have anything to do with the White House because of all the massive conflicts of interest. If they weren't involved in the politics at all, I don't think they'd have the protection, and wouldn't need it.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Honestly I would not decline protection, would you?

I wouldn't fucking have anything to do with that scumbag, and especially wouldn't work in the White House with him, even if he were my dad, so yes, I'd decline it, as I wouldn't need it. I would have disowned him by now.

No dork I was trying to say if your dad (not Trump) was president would you decline the protection of the secret service?

I don't know. I am not sure what it's like to have it, and don't know if I would feel under threat.
I know his piece of shit kids are because they're so easy to hate, lol.
Really I just think that this kids shouldn't have anything to do with the White House because of all the massive conflicts of interest. If they weren't involved in the politics at all, I don't think they'd have the protection, and wouldn't need it.

Yeah I totally agree with you about his kids.  However you do see the need to have secret service protecting the kid(s) of Clinton, W and Obama right?

blackhawks

Man.  People soon forget about all those Obama Hawaii vacations, golf trips, etc.  He was just like every other prez in taking time off same as 45.  Obama was no saint slaving 100 hours a week for the people unless you truly are thick in the head.  You guys need to get a grip and quit drinking all that kool aid ffs.  I sure hope people are smarter than this......

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Honestly I would not decline protection, would you?

I wouldn't fucking have anything to do with that scumbag, and especially wouldn't work in the White House with him, even if he were my dad, so yes, I'd decline it, as I wouldn't need it. I would have disowned him by now.

No dork I was trying to say if your dad (not Trump) was president would you decline the protection of the secret service?

I don't know. I am not sure what it's like to have it, and don't know if I would feel under threat.
I know his piece of shit kids are because they're so easy to hate, lol.
Really I just think that this kids shouldn't have anything to do with the White House because of all the massive conflicts of interest. If they weren't involved in the politics at all, I don't think they'd have the protection, and wouldn't need it.

Yeah I totally agree with you about his kids.  However you do see the need to have secret service protecting the kid(s) of Clinton, W and Obama right?

Well no, not really. I don't really think that if their kids were full grown adults with their own lives when those two were in office, and not living at the WH, then they wouldn't have had secret service protection.

Spiritual_Chaos

blackhawks said:

Man.  People soon forget about all those Obama Hawaii vacations, golf trips, etc.  He was just like every other prez in taking time off same as 45.  Obama was no saint slaving 100 hours a week for the people unless you truly are thick in the head.  You guys need to get a grip and quit drinking all that kool aid ffs.  I sure hope people are smarter than this......

You seem to be the smartest guy in the room.

Merkin Baller

Spiritual_Chaos said:

blackhawks said:

Man.  People soon forget about all those Obama Hawaii vacations, golf trips, etc.  He was just like every other prez in taking time off same as 45.  Obama was no saint slaving 100 hours a week for the people unless you truly are thick in the head.  You guys need to get a grip and quit drinking all that kool aid ffs.  I sure hope people are smarter than this......

You seem to be the smartest guy in the room.

Lol

blackhawks

I know reading is hard.  But I never stated Obama took more.  I just said he took vacations same as Trump.  So yeah....I am the smartest at reading comprehension.

PJ_Soul

blackhawks said:

I know reading is hard.  But I never stated Obama took more.  I just said he took vacations same as Trump.  So yeah....I am the smartest at reading comprehension.

So now you're just pretending that how much time they take off is irrelevant?

Bentleyspop

Spiritual_Chaos said:

blackhawks said:8

Man.  People soon forget about all those Obama Hawaii vacations, golf trips, etc.  He was just like every other prez in taking time off same as 45.  Obama was no saint slaving 100 hours a week for the people unless you truly are thick in the head.  You guys need to get a grip and quit drinking all that kool aid ffs.  I sure hope people are smarter than this......

You seem to be the smartest guy in the room.

Everyone knows that fact based evidence has a liberal bias

blackhawks

PJ_Soul said:

blackhawks said:

I know reading is hard.  But I never stated Obama took more.  I just said he took vacations same as Trump.  So yeah....I am the smartest at reading comprehension.

So now you're just pretending that how much time they take off is irrelevant?

Absolutely not.   It it is weird that now you are saying you want Trump working more making more decisions which you do not agree with LOL.  The irony is deep there.  But yeah he is taking waaaaay more vacation than a working person should.  I wish I had 1/4 of that.  

Meltdown99

That is a good point.  Those opposed to Trump should hope he takes many non-working vacations, maybe a nice long vacation until 2021.

PJPOWER

blackhawks said:

PJ_Soul said:

blackhawks said:

I know reading is hard.  But I never stated Obama took more.  I just said he took vacations same as Trump.  So yeah....I am the smartest at reading comprehension.

So now you're just pretending that how much time they take off is irrelevant?

Absolutely not.   It it is weird that now you are saying you want Trump working more making more decisions which you do not agree with LOL.  The irony is deep there.  But yeah he is taking waaaaay more vacation than a working person should.  I wish I had 1/4 of that.  

I have never thought of it that way, but so true, lol. Is there anything better for the country than Trump not making decisions because he is concentrating on golfing instead? . I just wish that the trips weren’t so costly...

Halifax2TheMax

PJPOWER said:

blackhawks said:

PJ_Soul said:

blackhawks said:

I know reading is hard.  But I never stated Obama took more.  I just said he took vacations same as Trump.  So yeah....I am the smartest at reading comprehension.

So now you're just pretending that how much time they take off is irrelevant?

Absolutely not.   It it is weird that now you are saying you want Trump working more making more decisions which you do not agree with LOL.  The irony is deep there.  But yeah he is taking waaaaay more vacation than a working person should.  I wish I had 1/4 of that.  

I have never thought of it that way, but so true, lol. Is there anything better for the country than Trump not making decisions because he is concentrating on golfing instead? . I just wish that the trips weren’t so costly...

Maybe spend less time golfing and more time sitting down with Team Mueller answering the questions he has for Team Trump Treason? You know, make the "witch hunt" go away.

oftenreading

blackhawks said:

PJ_Soul said:

blackhawks said:

I know reading is hard.  But I never stated Obama took more.  I just said he took vacations same as Trump.  So yeah....I am the smartest at reading comprehension.

So now you're just pretending that how much time they take off is irrelevant?

Absolutely not.   It it is weird that now you are saying you want Trump working more making more decisions which you do not agree with LOL.  The irony is deep there.  But yeah he is taking waaaaay more vacation than a working person should.  I wish I had 1/4 of that.  

The tweets and comments continue, unfortunately. 

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Honestly I would not decline protection, would you?

I wouldn't fucking have anything to do with that scumbag, and especially wouldn't work in the White House with him, even if he were my dad, so yes, I'd decline it, as I wouldn't need it. I would have disowned him by now.

No dork I was trying to say if your dad (not Trump) was president would you decline the protection of the secret service?

"no dork". I don't know why that made me laugh so hard. 

HughFreakingDillon

blackhawks said:

Man.  People soon forget about all those Obama Hawaii vacations, golf trips, etc.  He was just like every other prez in taking time off same as 45.  Obama was no saint slaving 100 hours a week for the people unless you truly are thick in the head.  You guys need to get a grip and quit drinking all that kool aid ffs.  I sure hope people are smarter than this......

trump criticized, almost daily, obama's golfing and vacations. trump has lapped obama in terms of golfing and vacations. 

trump sits and watches tv scarfing his egg mcmuffin and calls it executive time. this tub of shit works probably 3 hours a day. and most of it is tweeting while shitting out aforementioned mcmuffin. or meeting with people that do nothing but stroke his ego. 

he's a pathetic excuse for a human being, nevermind president.