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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,964
    Cake and eat it too. 

    Heat and kitchen.

    Can we get a pot, kettle, black in here too?
    Elephant in the room
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,855
    Elephant in the room
    Time will tell 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,005
    What does Obama serving two full terms while at war have to do with NATO? Talk about “conformist.” There’s a lot I can start criticizing Obama for. Like not appointing a special prosecutor to investigate Bush and Darth Cheney for crimes against humanity and leading a nation to war under false and fabiricated pretenses. Can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
    No clue what it has to do with NATO. You and meltdown were on your little tangents and I provided a fact about obama. I am afraid if we ever do meet up you might call and order out sushi as we sit at an Italian restaurant. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,964
    mcgruff10 said:
    No clue what it has to do with NATO. You and meltdown were on your little tangents and I provided a fact about obama. I am afraid if we ever do meet up you might call and order out sushi as we sit at an Italian restaurant. 
    As long as it comes with wasabi. But why the irrelevant fact?
     
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,964
    edited July 2018
    Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?

    Pass the California roll please.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,005
    Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?

    Pass the California roll please.
    Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?

    Pass the California roll please.
    Bro I am a huge Obama supporter for the 5674th time so i am not sure what facts I am supposed to dispute.  Again i stated  a fact after someone suggested (although not true) that obama was involved in seven wars during his two tours. 
    California roll is weak bro, order real sushi. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,964
    mcgruff10 said:
    Bro I am a huge Obama supporter for the 5674th time so i am not sure what facts I am supposed to dispute.  Again i stated  a fact after someone suggested (although not true) that obama was involved in seven wars during his two tours. 
    California roll is weak bro, order real sushi. 
    I don’t believe for a second that you’ve expressed your support of Obama 5674 times. Playing loose with irrelevant facts again, I see.

    sushis great until you get one of those oddly textured pieces you can’t quite choke down. Now, pass the sake.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,005
    I don’t believe for a second that you’ve expressed your support of Obama 5674 times. Playing loose with irrelevant facts again, I see.

    sushis great until you get one of those oddly textured pieces you can’t quite choke down. Now, pass the sake.
    Lol. Ok let me restate my original statement: 
    obama definitely wasn’t involved with seven wars but he is the only president to have non stop war during two terms in office (non of which were his responsibility as per W and the reaction to 9/11). 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,964
    mcgruff10 said:
    Lol. Ok let me restate my original statement: 
    obama definitely wasn’t involved with seven wars but he is the only president to have non stop war during two terms in office (non of which were his responsibility as per W and the reaction to 9/11). 
    Context is important.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,005
    Context is important.
    Go order your tempura sweet potato roll. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,964
    mcgruff10 said:
    Go order your tempura sweet potato roll. 
    That sounds nasty. I’ll try the gluten free organic pizza instead, hold the anchovies and use the whey free cheese please.
     
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,005
    That sounds nasty. I’ll try the gluten free organic pizza instead, hold the anchovies and use the whey free cheese please.
     
    Disgusting bud!!! What the hell Do they cook up in Nova Scotia?!?!

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    California rolls are good, but definitely weak, bro

    McGruff, are you an Obama supporter? Lol

    I dont think I jump down throats here, I just jump on your shit when you said Trump was impressing you, that's f'ing crazy talk!

    Honestly, at this point, I dont give AF, the nukes can start flying at any time. I think it would be an honor to witness the downfall of humanity in a glorious radioactive storm of fire LOL... like seriously, I dont give a shit, I just laugh at the madness

    Pass the scungilli
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,964
    mcgruff10 said:
    No clue what it has to do with NATO. You and meltdown were on your little tangents and I provided a fact about obama. I am afraid if we ever do meet up you might call and order out sushi as we sit at an Italian restaurant. 
    Your fact about Obama is wrong. He’s not the “only president to serve two full terms while at war,” You forgot Teddy Roosevelt (1901-1909) and the Spanish American War (1898-1913). So your “fact,” while true, is also misleading because Obama wasn’t the “only.”

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,005
    edited July 2018
    my2hands said:
    California rolls are good, but definitely weak, bro

    McGruff, are you an Obama supporter? Lol

    I dont think I jump down throats here, I just jump on your shit when you said Trump was impressing you, that's f'ing crazy talk!

    Honestly, at this point, I dont give AF, the nukes can start flying at any time. I think it would be an honor to witness the downfall of humanity in a glorious radioactive storm of fire LOL... like seriously, I dont give a shit, I just laugh at the madness

    Pass the scungilli
    I m glad the economy is good as of now but the rest of his presidency is a debacle. 

    Scungilli is good as hell. 
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Never had scungilli, saw it on the food network... I would definitely try it though 

    How about scungilli sushi with a side of salted cod? 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,391
    mcgruff10 said:
    No clue what it has to do with NATO. You and meltdown were on your little tangents and I provided a fact about obama. I am afraid if we ever do meet up you might call and order out sushi as we sit at an Italian restaurant. 
    ... I must admit, intentional or not, the way you presented such "facts" definitely lends to a biased impression against Obama, so that comment about hoping you don't present facts in that manner in your classroom is a valid one. If you didn't intend for it to come off that way, you have some thinking to do anyway, because doing that by accident is probably just as bad as doing it on purpose in the context of teaching.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,005
    PJ_Soul said:
    ... I must admit, intentional or not, the way you presented such "facts" definitely lends to a biased impression against Obama, so that comment about hoping you don't present facts in that manner in your classroom is a valid one. If you didn't intend for it to come off that way, you have some thinking to do anyway, because doing that by accident is probably just as bad as doing it on purpose in the context of teaching.
    I'll be sure to let my supervisor know about your concerns.  


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,391
    mcgruff10 said:
    I'll be sure to let my supervisor know about your concerns.  


    That was a good comeback, lol.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,005
    PJ_Soul said:
    That was a good comeback, lol.
    Only the best for the best!!
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  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    I'll make a point.
    I think the one of the greatest things created from WWII ( That sounds oxymoronish) is the NATO alliance.  The amount of blood spilled to stand up to Nazism and Imperial expansion was to heavy a price.  It was paid unfortunately.  We should protect our war averting alliance at almost any price because it would pale in comparison to the carnage of that terrible war.  If NATO didn't exist I believe Europe and the Middle East would be destroyed by now.  Not to mention Asia.

    The biggest mistake NATO ever made was to expand.  Russia embarrassing collapse of the USSR was made ten fold by expansion. We should have laid back and engaged Russia dramatically and on level terms to give them a sense of belonging and respect.  Instead we greedily and laughingly took them for granted and pushed the great bear into a corner.  Big mistake.  Instead of having Russia on our side to deal with China (whom the Russian worry about way more than the West) we now still have to deal with both adversaries.  
    If NATO collapses nukes will fly one day...guaranteed. 
    My two cents.
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  • blackhawksblackhawks Posts: 307
    I am all for the NATO alliance.  I am also for the members paying their share and not relying on the US taxpayers to make up the difference for the economic gains of the rest of NATO.  I think that is why Trump threatened to pull out.  And if they don’t bolster it pay up then they are essentially fine with Russia waltzing in I guess.
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  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    I am all for the NATO alliance.  I am also for the members paying their share and not relying on the US taxpayers to make up the difference for the economic gains of the rest of NATO.  I think that is why Trump threatened to pull out.  And if they don’t bolster it pay up then they are essentially fine with Russia waltzing in I guess.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,284
    edited August 2018
    Doesn't the European countries do other things, that they say balance out the US paying more -- like helping out immigrants from that war Trump said the US started in Syria?
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  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    edited August 2018
    I agree.  The taxpayer should demand military spending be reduced say by half over the next decade or so and also reduce European presence by half over the same period.  This will give the other members time to prepare to fill the vacuum.  Hey you could sell them the hardware left behind.  Of course this should all be done under a renewed commitment to the alliance and a guarantee that an attack on one is an attack on all.  Hell Trump has reduced taxes so much I can't understand how the US can fund such a vast war machine anyhow.

    Don't get how I quote your post and then am allowed to enter it and potentially edit it but...
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    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    Didn't Saudi and Iran start that proxy war
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    As I understand it ISIS is literally a Saudi militia.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    I also saw a report that the Syrian war has a lot to do with the effects of global warming.  They have been in severe drought conditions for over a decade and food scarcity and hoarding was a primary reason for the rebellion.  Apparantly Asad was starving his adversaries...how could that be true.  
    Resource wars are here and they are growing.  About the only growth in this mutilated world.
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
  • TalonTedd said:
    Didn't Saudi and Iran start that proxy war
    I just go on what your President said several times. 

    Isn't it weird, he says that the US started the war - but then he mock countries for helping the people fleeing the war?

    Weird.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • TalonTeddTalonTedd Toronto Posts: 835
    Canadian.  Are there any Americans on this site anymore
    I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
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