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Not of his making. It’s like let’s make Obama look bad with this fact when he had little to nothing to do with starting the two conflicts that are ongoing today. Repubes in Congress and the Bush/Cheney war mongers have more to do with that fact than Obama.mcgruff10 said:
Nice try at what? What I said is fact.Halifax2TheMax said:
Two of which he inherited and one of which he voted against as senator. Nice try though.mcgruff10 said:
Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war. I am sure trump will follow suit.Halifax2TheMax said:
You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?Meltdown99 said:
I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war badHalifax2TheMax said:
I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.Meltdown99 said:
funny how that goes...flywallyfly said:
You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.Jason P said:
I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.Jason P said:I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
I could care less. Just making observations.
Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.
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Obama also oversaw 8 years of baby murders while abortion was still legal.0
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That’s a fact. And created death panels.vaggar99 said:Obama also oversaw 8 years of baby murders while abortion was still legal.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Obama also gets blamed for being weak and the rise of ISIS because he resisted calls for a permanent military presence in Iraq & Afhganistan... under Obama orders the Iraq war officially "ended" in 2011 and he ordered a full troop withdrawal from Iraq in 2015.... he did the same in Afghanistan during his terms, after an initial increase in troops due to destabilization, but did stop short if a full pullout due to lingering issues with the Taliban so the US still has about 8,000 troops in Afghanistan to help support the UN and local forces, but for all I rents and purposes he ended the Afghan war and US occupation.....
McGruff, I sure hope you dont present things to your students in that way brother, give the whole story and not just a foxnews style talking point, the man ENDED two massive wars, just as he campaigned on, you make it sound like he was a war monger lol
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What the hell are you and halifax talking about? All I said (which is fact) is that during Obama's two terms we were at war every single day. Where is the fox talking points? You guys really stretch some things out when people post, it really is aggravating. And please for the love of god, stop talking about the teacher thing. Have a great weekend.my2hands said:Obama also gets blamed for being weak and the rise of ISIS because he resisted calls for a permanent military presence in Iraq & Afhganistan... under Obama orders the Iraq war officially "ended" in 2011 and he ordered a full troop withdrawal from Iraq in 2015.... he did the same in Afghanistan during his terms, after an initial increase in troops due to destabilization, but did stop short if a full pullout due to lingering issues with the Taliban so the US still has about 8,000 troops in Afghanistan to help support the UN and local forces, but for all I rents and purposes he ended the Afghan war and US occupation.....
McGruff, I sure hope you dont present things to your students in that way brother, give the whole story and not just a foxnews style talking point, the man ENDED two massive wars, just as he campaigned on, you make it sound like he was a war monger lolI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Because it comes across as a cheap shot and has absolutely nothing to do with the thread title. Thread integrity, ya know? Go get hoppy on a Sunday, summer is flying by.mcgruff10 said:
What the hell are you and halifax talking about? All I said (which is fact) is that during Obama's two terms we were at war every single day. Where is the fox talking points? You guys really stretch some things out when people post, it really is aggravating. And please for the love of god, stop talking about the teacher thing. Have a great weekend.my2hands said:Obama also gets blamed for being weak and the rise of ISIS because he resisted calls for a permanent military presence in Iraq & Afhganistan... under Obama orders the Iraq war officially "ended" in 2011 and he ordered a full troop withdrawal from Iraq in 2015.... he did the same in Afghanistan during his terms, after an initial increase in troops due to destabilization, but did stop short if a full pullout due to lingering issues with the Taliban so the US still has about 8,000 troops in Afghanistan to help support the UN and local forces, but for all I rents and purposes he ended the Afghan war and US occupation.....
McGruff, I sure hope you dont present things to your students in that way brother, give the whole story and not just a foxnews style talking point, the man ENDED two massive wars, just as he campaigned on, you make it sound like he was a war monger lol09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You say we were at war every day of the Obama presidency... I say Obama inherited AND ENDED massive wars that were started and mismanaged by the previous administrationmcgruff10 said:
What the hell are you and halifax talking about? All I said (which is fact) is that during Obama's two terms we were at war every single day. Where is the fox talking points? You guys really stretch some things out when people post, it really is aggravating. And please for the love of god, stop talking about the teacher thing. Have a great weekend.my2hands said:Obama also gets blamed for being weak and the rise of ISIS because he resisted calls for a permanent military presence in Iraq & Afhganistan... under Obama orders the Iraq war officially "ended" in 2011 and he ordered a full troop withdrawal from Iraq in 2015.... he did the same in Afghanistan during his terms, after an initial increase in troops due to destabilization, but did stop short if a full pullout due to lingering issues with the Taliban so the US still has about 8,000 troops in Afghanistan to help support the UN and local forces, but for all I rents and purposes he ended the Afghan war and US occupation.....
McGruff, I sure hope you dont present things to your students in that way brother, give the whole story and not just a foxnews style talking point, the man ENDED two massive wars, just as he campaigned on, you make it sound like he was a war monger lol
The way you state it, without any context, comes across as though you're portraying Obama as a trigger happy POTUS who started and continued multiple wars, which is total bullshit. Ended Iraq. Drew down Afghanistan. Didnt take action against Syria. Then they blamed him for ending Iraq and said it caused the rise of ISIS. I'm sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. Obama resisted the hawks for 8 years and did the right thing a huge percentage of the time. As a voter that supported his campaign message of ending the Bush Wars, I'm very pleased with his follow through on those fronts and his general reluctance to involve American military. Not to mention he was one of the only politicians with the courage and vision to NOT support the Iraq invasion. I think your portrayal of Obama as a "war president" is not accurate and requires a LOT more context
If you dont see that, I don't know what to tell you brother. Seems obvious to me
What are your thoughts on Obama ending the Iraq war and occupation?Post edited by my2hands on0 -
Fact: Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war.my2hands said:
You say we were at war every day of the Obama presidency... I say Obama inherited AND ENDED massive wars that were started and mismanaged by the previous administrationmcgruff10 said:
What the hell are you and halifax talking about? All I said (which is fact) is that during Obama's two terms we were at war every single day. Where is the fox talking points? You guys really stretch some things out when people post, it really is aggravating. And please for the love of god, stop talking about the teacher thing. Have a great weekend.my2hands said:Obama also gets blamed for being weak and the rise of ISIS because he resisted calls for a permanent military presence in Iraq & Afhganistan... under Obama orders the Iraq war officially "ended" in 2011 and he ordered a full troop withdrawal from Iraq in 2015.... he did the same in Afghanistan during his terms, after an initial increase in troops due to destabilization, but did stop short if a full pullout due to lingering issues with the Taliban so the US still has about 8,000 troops in Afghanistan to help support the UN and local forces, but for all I rents and purposes he ended the Afghan war and US occupation.....
McGruff, I sure hope you dont present things to your students in that way brother, give the whole story and not just a foxnews style talking point, the man ENDED two massive wars, just as he campaigned on, you make it sound like he was a war monger lol
The way you state it, without any context, comes across as though you're portraying Obama as a trigger happy POTUS who started and continued multiple wars, which is total bullshit. Ended Iraq. Drew down Afghanistan. Didnt take action against Syria. Then they blamed him for ending Iraq and said it caused the rise of ISIS. I'm sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. Obama resisted the hawks for 8 years and did the right thing a huge percentage of the time. As a voter that supported his campaign message of ending the Bush Wars, I'm very pleased with his follow through on those fronts and his general reluctance to involve American military. Not to mention he was one of the only politicians with the courage and vision to NOT support the Iraq invasion. I think your portrayal of Obama as a "war president" is not accurate and requires a LOT more context
If you dont see that, I don't know what to tell you brother. Seems obvious to me
What are your thoughts on Obama ending the Iraq war and occupation?
All this was based on a single sentence after someone implied that he led 7 wars (and I must state for the 800th time that I voted for him twice).
What I got after posting a single fact:
Oh my god, you are talking about president Obama in a negative light?!
Nice try bro.
Did this idiot even realize that the invasion of Iraq occurred before Obama was elected?
This guy teaches our kids and doesn't realize that we invaded Afghanistan before Obama was elected?
He stated a sentence without context so we can assume that he is saying that Obama is a trigger happy President for 8 years.
Man that is a cheap shot.
You said without context so let me assume 40 different things based on one single sentence.
Cake and eat it too...or something like that.
Where did I even imply that he didn't inherit two wars? I like both of you guys but you have to stop jumping down peoples throats. it is a wonder that non conformists to the pearl jam mantra don't post here.
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What does Obama serving two full terms while at war have to do with NATO? Talk about “conformist.” There’s a lot I can start criticizing Obama for. Like not appointing a special prosecutor to investigate Bush and Darth Cheney for crimes against humanity and leading a nation to war under false and fabiricated pretenses. Can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.mcgruff10 said:
Fact: Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war.my2hands said:
You say we were at war every day of the Obama presidency... I say Obama inherited AND ENDED massive wars that were started and mismanaged by the previous administrationmcgruff10 said:
What the hell are you and halifax talking about? All I said (which is fact) is that during Obama's two terms we were at war every single day. Where is the fox talking points? You guys really stretch some things out when people post, it really is aggravating. And please for the love of god, stop talking about the teacher thing. Have a great weekend.my2hands said:Obama also gets blamed for being weak and the rise of ISIS because he resisted calls for a permanent military presence in Iraq & Afhganistan... under Obama orders the Iraq war officially "ended" in 2011 and he ordered a full troop withdrawal from Iraq in 2015.... he did the same in Afghanistan during his terms, after an initial increase in troops due to destabilization, but did stop short if a full pullout due to lingering issues with the Taliban so the US still has about 8,000 troops in Afghanistan to help support the UN and local forces, but for all I rents and purposes he ended the Afghan war and US occupation.....
McGruff, I sure hope you dont present things to your students in that way brother, give the whole story and not just a foxnews style talking point, the man ENDED two massive wars, just as he campaigned on, you make it sound like he was a war monger lol
The way you state it, without any context, comes across as though you're portraying Obama as a trigger happy POTUS who started and continued multiple wars, which is total bullshit. Ended Iraq. Drew down Afghanistan. Didnt take action against Syria. Then they blamed him for ending Iraq and said it caused the rise of ISIS. I'm sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. Obama resisted the hawks for 8 years and did the right thing a huge percentage of the time. As a voter that supported his campaign message of ending the Bush Wars, I'm very pleased with his follow through on those fronts and his general reluctance to involve American military. Not to mention he was one of the only politicians with the courage and vision to NOT support the Iraq invasion. I think your portrayal of Obama as a "war president" is not accurate and requires a LOT more context
If you dont see that, I don't know what to tell you brother. Seems obvious to me
What are your thoughts on Obama ending the Iraq war and occupation?
All this was based on a single sentence after someone implied that he led 7 wars (and I must state for the 800th time that I voted for him twice).
What I got after posting a single fact:
Oh my god, you are talking about president Obama in a negative light?!
Nice try bro.
Did this idiot even realize that the invasion of Iraq occurred before Obama was elected?
This guy teaches our kids and doesn't realize that we invaded Afghanistan before Obama was elected?
He stated a sentence without context so we can assume that he is saying that Obama is a trigger happy President for 8 years.
Man that is a cheap shot.
You said without context so let me assume 40 different things based on one single sentence.
Cake and eat it too...or something like that.
Where did I even imply that he didn't inherit two wars? I like both of you guys but you have to stop jumping down peoples throats. it is a wonder that non conformists to the pearl jam mantra don't post here.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Cake and eat it too.
Heat and kitchen.
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Elephant in the roomoftenreading said:Cake and eat it too.
Heat and kitchen.
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Time will tellHalifax2TheMax said:
Elephant in the roomoftenreading said:Cake and eat it too.
Heat and kitchen.
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No clue what it has to do with NATO. You and meltdown were on your little tangents and I provided a fact about obama. I am afraid if we ever do meet up you might call and order out sushi as we sit at an Italian restaurant.Halifax2TheMax said:
What does Obama serving two full terms while at war have to do with NATO? Talk about “conformist.” There’s a lot I can start criticizing Obama for. Like not appointing a special prosecutor to investigate Bush and Darth Cheney for crimes against humanity and leading a nation to war under false and fabiricated pretenses. Can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.mcgruff10 said:
Fact: Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war.my2hands said:
You say we were at war every day of the Obama presidency... I say Obama inherited AND ENDED massive wars that were started and mismanaged by the previous administrationmcgruff10 said:
What the hell are you and halifax talking about? All I said (which is fact) is that during Obama's two terms we were at war every single day. Where is the fox talking points? You guys really stretch some things out when people post, it really is aggravating. And please for the love of god, stop talking about the teacher thing. Have a great weekend.my2hands said:Obama also gets blamed for being weak and the rise of ISIS because he resisted calls for a permanent military presence in Iraq & Afhganistan... under Obama orders the Iraq war officially "ended" in 2011 and he ordered a full troop withdrawal from Iraq in 2015.... he did the same in Afghanistan during his terms, after an initial increase in troops due to destabilization, but did stop short if a full pullout due to lingering issues with the Taliban so the US still has about 8,000 troops in Afghanistan to help support the UN and local forces, but for all I rents and purposes he ended the Afghan war and US occupation.....
McGruff, I sure hope you dont present things to your students in that way brother, give the whole story and not just a foxnews style talking point, the man ENDED two massive wars, just as he campaigned on, you make it sound like he was a war monger lol
The way you state it, without any context, comes across as though you're portraying Obama as a trigger happy POTUS who started and continued multiple wars, which is total bullshit. Ended Iraq. Drew down Afghanistan. Didnt take action against Syria. Then they blamed him for ending Iraq and said it caused the rise of ISIS. I'm sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. Obama resisted the hawks for 8 years and did the right thing a huge percentage of the time. As a voter that supported his campaign message of ending the Bush Wars, I'm very pleased with his follow through on those fronts and his general reluctance to involve American military. Not to mention he was one of the only politicians with the courage and vision to NOT support the Iraq invasion. I think your portrayal of Obama as a "war president" is not accurate and requires a LOT more context
If you dont see that, I don't know what to tell you brother. Seems obvious to me
What are your thoughts on Obama ending the Iraq war and occupation?
All this was based on a single sentence after someone implied that he led 7 wars (and I must state for the 800th time that I voted for him twice).
What I got after posting a single fact:
Oh my god, you are talking about president Obama in a negative light?!
Nice try bro.
Did this idiot even realize that the invasion of Iraq occurred before Obama was elected?
This guy teaches our kids and doesn't realize that we invaded Afghanistan before Obama was elected?
He stated a sentence without context so we can assume that he is saying that Obama is a trigger happy President for 8 years.
Man that is a cheap shot.
You said without context so let me assume 40 different things based on one single sentence.
Cake and eat it too...or something like that.
Where did I even imply that he didn't inherit two wars? I like both of you guys but you have to stop jumping down peoples throats. it is a wonder that non conformists to the pearl jam mantra don't post here.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
As long as it comes with wasabi. But why the irrelevant fact?mcgruff10 said:
No clue what it has to do with NATO. You and meltdown were on your little tangents and I provided a fact about obama. I am afraid if we ever do meet up you might call and order out sushi as we sit at an Italian restaurant.Halifax2TheMax said:
What does Obama serving two full terms while at war have to do with NATO? Talk about “conformist.” There’s a lot I can start criticizing Obama for. Like not appointing a special prosecutor to investigate Bush and Darth Cheney for crimes against humanity and leading a nation to war under false and fabiricated pretenses. Can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.mcgruff10 said:
Fact: Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war.my2hands said:
You say we were at war every day of the Obama presidency... I say Obama inherited AND ENDED massive wars that were started and mismanaged by the previous administrationmcgruff10 said:
What the hell are you and halifax talking about? All I said (which is fact) is that during Obama's two terms we were at war every single day. Where is the fox talking points? You guys really stretch some things out when people post, it really is aggravating. And please for the love of god, stop talking about the teacher thing. Have a great weekend.my2hands said:Obama also gets blamed for being weak and the rise of ISIS because he resisted calls for a permanent military presence in Iraq & Afhganistan... under Obama orders the Iraq war officially "ended" in 2011 and he ordered a full troop withdrawal from Iraq in 2015.... he did the same in Afghanistan during his terms, after an initial increase in troops due to destabilization, but did stop short if a full pullout due to lingering issues with the Taliban so the US still has about 8,000 troops in Afghanistan to help support the UN and local forces, but for all I rents and purposes he ended the Afghan war and US occupation.....
McGruff, I sure hope you dont present things to your students in that way brother, give the whole story and not just a foxnews style talking point, the man ENDED two massive wars, just as he campaigned on, you make it sound like he was a war monger lol
The way you state it, without any context, comes across as though you're portraying Obama as a trigger happy POTUS who started and continued multiple wars, which is total bullshit. Ended Iraq. Drew down Afghanistan. Didnt take action against Syria. Then they blamed him for ending Iraq and said it caused the rise of ISIS. I'm sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. Obama resisted the hawks for 8 years and did the right thing a huge percentage of the time. As a voter that supported his campaign message of ending the Bush Wars, I'm very pleased with his follow through on those fronts and his general reluctance to involve American military. Not to mention he was one of the only politicians with the courage and vision to NOT support the Iraq invasion. I think your portrayal of Obama as a "war president" is not accurate and requires a LOT more context
If you dont see that, I don't know what to tell you brother. Seems obvious to me
What are your thoughts on Obama ending the Iraq war and occupation?
All this was based on a single sentence after someone implied that he led 7 wars (and I must state for the 800th time that I voted for him twice).
What I got after posting a single fact:
Oh my god, you are talking about president Obama in a negative light?!
Nice try bro.
Did this idiot even realize that the invasion of Iraq occurred before Obama was elected?
This guy teaches our kids and doesn't realize that we invaded Afghanistan before Obama was elected?
He stated a sentence without context so we can assume that he is saying that Obama is a trigger happy President for 8 years.
Man that is a cheap shot.
You said without context so let me assume 40 different things based on one single sentence.
Cake and eat it too...or something like that.
Where did I even imply that he didn't inherit two wars? I like both of you guys but you have to stop jumping down peoples throats. it is a wonder that non conformists to the pearl jam mantra don't post here.
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Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
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Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
Bro I am a huge Obama supporter for the 5674th time so i am not sure what facts I am supposed to dispute. Again i stated a fact after someone suggested (although not true) that obama was involved in seven wars during his two tours.Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
California roll is weak bro, order real sushi.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I don’t believe for a second that you’ve expressed your support of Obama 5674 times. Playing loose with irrelevant facts again, I see.mcgruff10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
Bro I am a huge Obama supporter for the 5674th time so i am not sure what facts I am supposed to dispute. Again i stated a fact after someone suggested (although not true) that obama was involved in seven wars during his two tours.Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
California roll is weak bro, order real sushi.
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Lol. Ok let me restate my original statement:Halifax2TheMax said:
I don’t believe for a second that you’ve expressed your support of Obama 5674 times. Playing loose with irrelevant facts again, I see.mcgruff10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
Bro I am a huge Obama supporter for the 5674th time so i am not sure what facts I am supposed to dispute. Again i stated a fact after someone suggested (although not true) that obama was involved in seven wars during his two tours.Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
California roll is weak bro, order real sushi.
sushis great until you get one of those oddly textured pieces you can’t quite choke down. Now, pass the sake.
obama definitely wasn’t involved with seven wars but he is the only president to have non stop war during two terms in office (non of which were his responsibility as per W and the reaction to 9/11).I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Context is important.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Ok let me restate my original statement:Halifax2TheMax said:
I don’t believe for a second that you’ve expressed your support of Obama 5674 times. Playing loose with irrelevant facts again, I see.mcgruff10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
Bro I am a huge Obama supporter for the 5674th time so i am not sure what facts I am supposed to dispute. Again i stated a fact after someone suggested (although not true) that obama was involved in seven wars during his two tours.Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
California roll is weak bro, order real sushi.
sushis great until you get one of those oddly textured pieces you can’t quite choke down. Now, pass the sake.
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Go order your tempura sweet potato roll.Halifax2TheMax said:
Context is important.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Ok let me restate my original statement:Halifax2TheMax said:
I don’t believe for a second that you’ve expressed your support of Obama 5674 times. Playing loose with irrelevant facts again, I see.mcgruff10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
Bro I am a huge Obama supporter for the 5674th time so i am not sure what facts I am supposed to dispute. Again i stated a fact after someone suggested (although not true) that obama was involved in seven wars during his two tours.Halifax2TheMax said:Were those little tangents you couldn’ dispute with relevant facts so you found it necessary to post a completely irrelevant fact?
Pass the California roll please.
California roll is weak bro, order real sushi.
sushis great until you get one of those oddly textured pieces you can’t quite choke down. Now, pass the sake.
obama definitely wasn’t involved with seven wars but he is the only president to have non stop war during two terms in office (non of which were his responsibility as per W and the reaction to 9/11).I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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