Taxpayers should not fund ANY agenda.

unsung · August 2018

Ridiculous.

"It’s a political ‘institute,’ not a presidential library. So taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for anything."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-obama-center-can-afford-more-than-1-rent-1533936141

Spiritual_Chaos · August 2018

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

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josevolution · August 2018

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

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Well he is the hardest working president ever !

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2018

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

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Don't forget his dry cleaning as well (when he soils his big size 48 tighty whities).

cincybearcat · August 2018

I kinda like the idea of presidential libraries and think we should create them and fund them. More as a museum of the times and the person. Or if you want something where they are all put together....build a new smithsonian museum akin to the hall of presidents

Regardless it's history we need to preserve and show in a way that future generations WANT to learn about it.

brianlux · August 2018

Only subscribers to WSJ can read the article. Great post!

mickeyrat · August 2018

so what we were allowed to read before the subscribe button was road and infrastructure improvements paid for by the state?

I wonder what the ROI will end up being given his popularity with a slight majority of the country? to what degree will small business will benefit. usual stuff, hotels, restaurants, other shopping.

would assume, aside from standard tourist visits there would be conferences held etc that would draw too.

unsung · August 2018

There was controversy in Chicago about location. They wanted valuable park space instead of vacant industrial space, haven’t followed up to see if there was resolution.

mcgruff10 · August 2018

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

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Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

rgambs · August 2018

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b
Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.
But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.
The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

What about food and lodging for the agents? Golf cart rentals for one trip (criminallypaid to Trump himself) probably adds up to more than we make in a year.

I don't have a problem with taking vacations, but they sure as fuck shouldn't enrich the fucking POTUS!

mcgruff10 · August 2018

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b
Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.
But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.
The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

What about food and lodging for the agents? Golf cart rentals for one trip (criminallypaid to Trump himself) probably adds up to more than we make in a year.

I don't have a problem with taking vacations, but they sure as fuck shouldn't enrich the fucking POTUS!

I would assume you and I are paying for food and lodging for the agents but he owns the golf course in this instance so I would hope they don't charge him for a golf cart rental lol.

Gern Blansten · August 2018

The issues with his multiple vacations are:

1. He bitched about Obama's vacations and he takes more
2. He stated that he would not have time to golf because he would have so much work to do
3. His companies collect money from the gov't to house staff and SS agents. He actually profits from going on vacation.

unsung · August 2018

None of these vacations, from either side, have anything to do with the subject.

Merkin Baller · August 2018

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b
Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.
But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.
The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

What about food and lodging for the agents? Golf cart rentals for one trip (criminallypaid to Trump himself) probably adds up to more than we make in a year.

I don't have a problem with taking vacations, but they sure as fuck shouldn't enrich the fucking POTUS!

I would bet a paycheck that Mar A Lago is charging for every possible service, and premium rates at that. Trump’s not the type of person to leave money on the table.

What a f’ing disgrace this entire administration is... a complete embarrassment.

I’m with the OP, government spending is out of control.

Halifax2TheMax · August 2018

What if it’s for preservation of the white race?

brianlux · August 2018

unsung said:

None of these vacations, from either side, have anything to do with the subject.

You mean the thread got side-tracked. That never happens here!

Spiritual_Chaos · August 2018

unsung said:

None of these vacations, from either side, have anything to do with the subject.

Well we can't read your article being behind a paywall, so let us discuss something.

mickeyrat · August 2018

so his beef is 174 million in state dollars are going towards roads etc in relation to Obamas political foundation as opposed to a traditional presidential library.

at least tgats my understanding from what we could read.

PJ_Soul · August 2018

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b
Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.
But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.
The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

mcgruff10 · August 2018

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b
Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.
But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.
The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

PJ_Soul · August 2018

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

(Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b
Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.
But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.
The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.

And they don't.
And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.

Taxpayers should not fund ANY agenda.

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