Taxpayers should not fund ANY agenda.

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Ridiculous.

"It’s a political ‘institute,’ not a presidential library. So taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for anything."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-obama-center-can-afford-more-than-1-rent-1533936141

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  • Posts: 31,599
    edited August 2018
    Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

    (Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Posts: 31,827
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

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    Well he is the hardest working president ever !
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  • Posts: 16,881
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

    (Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)

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  • Posts: 16,895
    I kinda like the idea of presidential libraries and think we should create them and fund them.  More as a museum of the times and the person.  Or if you want something where they are all put together....build a new smithsonian museum akin to the hall of presidents ;)

    Regardless it's history we need to preserve and show in a way that future generations WANT to learn about it.  

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Only subscribers to WSJ can read the article.  Great post!  :lol:
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  • Posts: 44,819
    so what we were allowed to read before the subscribe button was road and infrastructure improvements paid for by the state?

    I wonder what the ROI will end up being given his popularity with a slight majority of the country? to what degree will small business will benefit. usual stuff, hotels, restaurants, other shopping.

    would assume, aside from standard tourist visits there would be conferences held etc that would draw too.
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  • I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Should they pay for Trumps golf trips and farting in front of the television instead of working?

    (Couldn't read the article, you need to subscribe)
    Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

    Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

    But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

    The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

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  • Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    show previous quotes
    Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

    Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

    But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

    The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

    What about food and lodging for the agents?  Golf cart rentals for one trip (criminallypaid to Trump himself) probably adds up to more than we make in a year.

    I don't have a problem with taking vacations, but they sure as fuck shouldn't enrich the fucking POTUS!
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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    rgambs said:
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    What about food and lodging for the agents?  Golf cart rentals for one trip (criminallypaid to Trump himself) probably adds up to more than we make in a year.

    I don't have a problem with taking vacations, but they sure as fuck shouldn't enrich the fucking POTUS!
    I would assume you and I are paying for food and lodging for the agents but he owns the golf course in this instance so I would hope they don't charge him for a golf cart rental lol.  
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  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,508
    The issues with his multiple vacations are:

    1. He bitched about Obama's vacations and he takes more
    2. He stated that he would not have time to golf because he would have so much work to do
    3. His companies collect money from the gov't to house staff and SS agents.  He actually profits from going on vacation.  
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  • I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    None of these vacations, from either side, have anything to do with the subject.
  • Posts: 12,818
    rgambs said:
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    What about food and lodging for the agents?  Golf cart rentals for one trip (criminallypaid to Trump himself) probably adds up to more than we make in a year.

    I don't have a problem with taking vacations, but they sure as fuck shouldn't enrich the fucking POTUS!
    I would bet a paycheck that Mar A Lago is charging for every possible service, and premium rates at that. Trump’s not the type of person to leave money on the table. 

    What a f’ing disgrace this entire administration is... a complete embarrassment. 

    I’m with the OP, government spending is out of control. 
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    unsung said:
    None of these vacations, from either side, have anything to do with the subject.
    You mean the thread got side-tracked.  That never happens here!  :lol:
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  • Posts: 31,599
    unsung said:
    None of these vacations, from either side, have anything to do with the subject.
    Well we can't read your article being behind a paywall, so let us discuss something.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Posts: 44,819
    so his beef is 174 million in state dollars are going towards roads etc in relation to Obamas political foundation as opposed to a traditional presidential library.

    at least tgats my understanding from what we could read.
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    edited August 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    show previous quotes
    Just a FYI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?utm_term=.5db27bb7cd7b

    Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.

    But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

    The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.

    He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.
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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    PJ_Soul said:
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    He's also got all his adult children under the protection of the Secret Service wherever they go, as well as Trump Tower, and it's costing MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS extra.
    https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
    According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    mcgruff10 said:
    show previous quotes
    https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-does-the-secret-service-protect-a-presidents-adult-children.htm
    According to federal law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect the sitting U.S. president and vice president (or the next-in-line for the presidency), their immediate families, and all former U.S. presidents and their spouses, as well as their children under age 16. While in office, neither the president nor the vice president can decline Secret Service protection, but their spouses and adult children can.
    And they don't.
    And having Trump Tower protected, as well as his various golf resorts when he's there, which is often, is absolutely creating massive additional expenses. Also, it does not break even when he and his are being protected away from the White House at all. It's much more expensive to do it elsewhere.
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