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vaggar99
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edited July 2018 in A Moving Train

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Holla
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Some have said Trump was just kidding when he was talking about pulling out of NATO but judging from his inability to keep friendly relations going, who knows.  Besides, why would a standing president make a joke about something like that?  That's crazy.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Let’s see what the complicit treasonous repubes do and how they react. Traitors.
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    someone give me a civics lesson...doesn't the President ultimately have to sign off on this bill?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    vaggar99 said:
    someone give me a civics lesson...doesn't the President ultimately have to sign off on this bill?
    Yup, that’s the beauty of it. It makes Team Trump Treason choose between having senate input upon withdrawing from NATO or his ego by vetoing it.
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  • Jason P
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    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
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  • Jason P
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    Well, I don’t recall such disdain. Perhaps more Willy nilly NATO expansion rather than withdrawal from NATO. Without links, it’s an unfounded observation.
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  • brianlux
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    I could see trading half our involvement with NATO for doubling the Peace Corp. 

    More peace, fewer bombs.
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  • Meltdown99
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    brianlux said:
    I could see trading half our involvement with NATO for doubling the Peace Corp. 

    More peace, fewer bombs.
     =) 
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  • flywallyfly
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    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
  • Meltdown99
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    flywallyfly said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
    funny how that goes...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,619
    Meltdown99 said:
    flywallyfly said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
    funny how that goes...
    I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    edited July 2018

    flywallyfly said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
    Well, of 93 pages and 2,786 posts on pages 616 through 709, from June 2006 to January 2007, only two had "NATO" in their thread titles. Someone else with more savvy search skills can search 2007 and 2008. Again, I don't believe there was a lot of sentiment to pull US troops out of Europe during the Bush years. Is it possible there was discussion within threads with different titles? Sure, its possible but I don't think increasing US troops in Europe during Bush's term was met with "great disdain" and any decrease during Obama's term met with "great applause."

    Here's the two links to posts regarding NATO from 2006 and both are in the context of NATO and Afghanistan:

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/75820/afghanistan-nato-should-do-more-to-protect-civilians#latest

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/70701/is-nato-totally-pointless#latest

    Going back in time can be fun as these two posts illustrate:

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/68979/russian-scientist-predicts-global-cooling#latest

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/73138/rudy-rudy-rudy-rudy-rudy-rudy#latest

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  • Meltdown99
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    flywallyfly said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
    funny how that goes...
    I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.
    I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war bad
                                                           Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Meltdown99 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    flywallyfly said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
    funny how that goes...
    I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.
    I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war bad
                                                           Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.
    You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?
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  • mcgruff10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    flywallyfly said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
    funny how that goes...
    I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.
    I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war bad
                                                           Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.
    You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?
    Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war. I am sure trump will follow suit. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    flywallyfly said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
    funny how that goes...
    I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.
    I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war bad
                                                           Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.
    You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?
    Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war. I am sure trump will follow suit. 
    Two of which he inherited and one of which he voted against as senator. Nice try though.
     
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,140
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    flywallyfly said:
    Jason P said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jason P said:
    I could be wrong but I think the overall sentiment on this forum was for the US to pull the military out of Europe during the Bush era.
    Ummm no. Out of the Middle East, maybe. There’s a lot of thread history going back to 2006. Feel free to link. Or bump.
    I'm sure there is stuff in the Ukraine thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working.  I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that any proposed increase in US military presence in Europe was met with great disdain on this forum during the Bush era and any proposed decrease during Obama's term was met with great applause.  

    I could care less.  Just making observations.
    You are correct. "Pull the troops and bring them home" was a predominant theme.
    funny how that goes...
    I think you guys are confusing the Iraq war with NATO expansion. Missile batteries in Poland was controversial as was expanding NATO to previously soviet bloc countries.
    I'm not confused about nothing ... Bush President ... war bad
                                                           Obama President ... barely a peep about the 7 or so wars that were on going in his 8 years.
    You certainly are as it relates to NATO. What you posit above is a completely separate and different debate than this thread title or perceived observation. “Barely a peep,” is also misleading. But believe what you want. Care to name the 7 wars on going during Obama’s term?
    Obama was the first president to serve for 8 years with non stop war. I am sure trump will follow suit. 
    Two of which he inherited and one of which he voted against as senator. Nice try though.
     
    Nice try at what?  What I said is fact.  
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