$15 minimum wage

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cincybearcat said:

What does biking to work have to do with $15 min wage?

Well, about as much as driverless cars, but it’s much easier to afford on a $15/hour wage . 

Depending on where you live evidently...

Well, I'm pretty sure that in almost any location, riding a bike is cheaper than getting a driverless car.

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Halifax2TheMax said:

See what the military is doing with autonomous humvees as far as computers driving in fields and woods. It’s much closer than you think as are robotic  “pack” animals.

Yeah, I just don’t see it.  Maybe i’ll be wrong or maybe you will...we’ll see.  It would be awesome for robots to herd cattle, drive over pastures without running over cactus and getting flats, or find lost calves and bring them back to their mothers, and fix broken fences...but I’m not going to hold my breath.  I’m not saying the technology will never be able to do these things, but i’m not sure how feasible it will be.

Why would computers not be able to navigate difficult terrain? They can already do that, way better than any human can.
Just take a look at what robots can do now. And these are simply still in the research phase. Soon enough we'll all be like, "omg, look at how slow and clumsy that thing is, har har har." I believe that we are still in the infancy of technological innovation, and look how fucking far we've come in only 30 years - it's so crazy. And just imagine the kinds of things the military is doing behind closed doors. And North America is behind the game as far as driverless goes. Check out where Singapore is at with it - they are clearly already working towards it and starting to issue licenses and regulations to accommodate the technology in business at a fast rate. Other countries will be following suit soon enough. I'm sure the less crowded a country is, the slower it will be to pick it up. NECESSITY is the mother of invention after all. In the case of driverless, overcrowding is what will make it a necessity. Eventually being in a driver car will just mean sitting in traffic 6 hours a day. Having "control" over  your machine won't seem so great when it's ruining your life. I already know people who literally spend 4 hours every single work day commuting... and yeah, it's ruining their lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcbGRBPkrps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h8mX9ZMs7g

That sucks, I can drive to work in 4 minutes.  If I took the public transit it would take at least 30 minutes.  There is not even close to a need for driverless cars around here “yet”, but you’re right, if it is ever a necessity, i’m sure I would change my mind.  It would be great to not have to deal with taxis or Uber’s after having a few beers...

If work is close enough that you can drive in four minutes, why do you drive? Why not walk or cycle? The only reason I can think of to drive is if you need your car for work, like if you do deliveries or sales or something. I am a year-round cycle commuter and I love having that time on my bike and out of traffic, not to mention the cost savings, as PJSoul said. 

I can think of lots of reasons.
i lived about 4-5 minute drive from my first real job. I biked a couple times, but drove 95% of the ttime because I was tired of getting to work all sweaty since it was very hilly on the commute.
This was San Diego, so weather wasn’t an issue, but it would be now. Colorado if it isn’t below freezing then there’s probably a high risk of thunderstorms. 
I would t even think to ask someone why they don’t bike

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Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles.  My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving.  Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers?  If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before.  I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%.  The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive.  However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

Most of the automotive culture is centered around freedom to “hit the open road” and exploring roads less traveled.  Many agricultural tasks could not be done by driverless cars.  I do not foresee people giving up their driving privileges any time soon.  If anything, driverless car manufacturers are going to have to adapt to sharing the road a majority of actual drivers, not the other way around.

Tell that to the GPS guided combines. Just a matter of time before agriculture is harvested via roomba or iRobot. Autonomous dexterity is improving by leaps and bounds.

There are a ton of agricultural tasks that would likely never be able to be accomplished by automated vehicles.  Hell, some people still even use horses for them even though cars have been around for 100 years.  Maybe once artificially intelligent robots start taking over every aspect of our lives, but does anyone really want that?

Definitely my somewhat distant Amish relative do!

Lol, maybe they will start driving cars in 2,000 years.

That would be very strange!

The fact is though, Amish farmers are still some of the most successful at what they do anywhere.

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Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles.  My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving.  Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers?  If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before.  I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%.  The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive.  However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

Most of the automotive culture is centered around freedom to “hit the open road” and exploring roads less traveled.  Many agricultural tasks could not be done by driverless cars.  I do not foresee people giving up their driving privileges any time soon.  If anything, driverless car manufacturers are going to have to adapt to sharing the road a majority of actual drivers, not the other way around.

Tell that to the GPS guided combines. Just a matter of time before agriculture is harvested via roomba or iRobot. Autonomous dexterity is improving by leaps and bounds.

There are a ton of agricultural tasks that would likely never be able to be accomplished by automated vehicles.  Hell, some people still even use horses for them even though cars have been around for 100 years.  Maybe once artificially intelligent robots start taking over every aspect of our lives, but does anyone really want that?

Definitely my somewhat distant Amish relative do!

Lol, maybe they will start driving cars in 2,000 years.

That would be very strange!

The fact is though, Amish farmers are still some of the most successful at what they do anywhere.

And they farm without government subsidies...

How many PJ concerts do they get to see?  Can we stop idolizing the Amish now that I exposed a pretty damn big flaw in their way of life?

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oftenreading said:

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Halifax2TheMax said:

See what the military is doing with autonomous humvees as far as computers driving in fields and woods. It’s much closer than you think as are robotic  “pack” animals.

Yeah, I just don’t see it.  Maybe i’ll be wrong or maybe you will...we’ll see.  It would be awesome for robots to herd cattle, drive over pastures without running over cactus and getting flats, or find lost calves and bring them back to their mothers, and fix broken fences...but I’m not going to hold my breath.  I’m not saying the technology will never be able to do these things, but i’m not sure how feasible it will be.

Why would computers not be able to navigate difficult terrain? They can already do that, way better than any human can.
Just take a look at what robots can do now. And these are simply still in the research phase. Soon enough we'll all be like, "omg, look at how slow and clumsy that thing is, har har har." I believe that we are still in the infancy of technological innovation, and look how fucking far we've come in only 30 years - it's so crazy. And just imagine the kinds of things the military is doing behind closed doors. And North America is behind the game as far as driverless goes. Check out where Singapore is at with it - they are clearly already working towards it and starting to issue licenses and regulations to accommodate the technology in business at a fast rate. Other countries will be following suit soon enough. I'm sure the less crowded a country is, the slower it will be to pick it up. NECESSITY is the mother of invention after all. In the case of driverless, overcrowding is what will make it a necessity. Eventually being in a driver car will just mean sitting in traffic 6 hours a day. Having "control" over  your machine won't seem so great when it's ruining your life. I already know people who literally spend 4 hours every single work day commuting... and yeah, it's ruining their lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcbGRBPkrps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h8mX9ZMs7g

That sucks, I can drive to work in 4 minutes.  If I took the public transit it would take at least 30 minutes.  There is not even close to a need for driverless cars around here “yet”, but you’re right, if it is ever a necessity, i’m sure I would change my mind.  It would be great to not have to deal with taxis or Uber’s after having a few beers...

If work is close enough that you can drive in four minutes, why do you drive? Why not walk or cycle? The only reason I can think of to drive is if you need your car for work, like if you do deliveries or sales or something. I am a year-round cycle commuter and I love having that time on my bike and out of traffic, not to mention the cost savings, as PJSoul said. 

I can think of lots of reasons.
i lived about 4-5 minute drive from my first real job. I biked a couple times, but drove 95% of the ttime because I was tired of getting to work all sweaty since it was very hilly on the commute.
This was San Diego, so weather wasn’t an issue, but it would be now. Colorado if it isn’t below freezing then there’s probably a high risk of thunderstorms. 
I would t even think to ask someone why they don’t bike

You wouldn't even think to ask someone why they don't bike because you're not a cyclist. Why shouldn't I ask? It's not like it's a particularly personal issue. And I already know that PJPOWER is in Texas, not Colorado (not that there aren't a ton of cyclists in Colorado). Plus, I said "walk or cycle"; most people can walk in a lot of different types of weather, even if they don't want to cycle.

I thought about commuting by bike for years before I started. I had tons of excuses why I couldn't - it would take too long and I'm already rushed enough, I have to look professional at work so I didn't want to arrive sweaty or soaking wet from the rain, it would be too hard, it's would be too difficult on the days that I have to work at more than one site, it rains here about half the year..... I eventually decided I was sick of making excuses so I would just try it out with one day a week. After three weeks it was going so well I moved it up to two days a week, then four, then within three months to all five. I found that it doesn't really take much longer than driving would, and it is super convenient if I stop to run errands or go to the gym after work, because I don't have to find and pay for parking. Yeah, I get rained on half the year, but so what; I'm washable, and I change when I get to work. There are just tons of benefits for my physical, mental and financial health, and I'm not polluting the environment at the same time. I always encourage people to give it a try for a few days rather than just writing it off. 

I probably read too much into the conversation, but the only explanations suggested for not biking were needing a truck at work or being disabled. I sort of took that as a shot at those who don’t bike by only offering those 2 reasons. Like I said, probably not meant that way.
I rode a bike 8 miles to work for about a month. Had to bring a change of clothes and shower when I got there. Left earlier and got home later. Lots of reasons why it wasn’t  worth it. But I tried it and learned how much of a hassle it is, unless your a personal trainer or something and can show up in work out clothes and sweaty.