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The President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a threat. Words mean something when the POTUS says them, at least they used to. I'm going to fight this "post truth" era as hard as I can and not just say "meh".Meltdown99 said:
I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good. Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.HughFreakingDillon said:
no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it.Meltdown99 said:
Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough? I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations...Halifax2TheMax said:
Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.Meltdown99 said:Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success. If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful. I suspect the Japanese people are happy. North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
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I was answering your question about whether halifax thought one meeting was going to be enough.Meltdown99 said:
I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good. Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.HughFreakingDillon said:
no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it.Meltdown99 said:
Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough? I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations...Halifax2TheMax said:
Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.Meltdown99 said:Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success. If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful. I suspect the Japanese people are happy. North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I really don't pay that much attention to Trump ... I tend to think South Korea will be more instrumental in things moving forward...I hope eventually family reunification will happen. I prefer dialogue as opposed to threats.mrussel1 said:
The President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a threat. Words mean something when the POTUS says them, at least they used to. I'm going to fight this "post truth" era as hard as I can and not just say "meh".Meltdown99 said:
I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good. Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.HughFreakingDillon said:
no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it.Meltdown99 said:
Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough? I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations...Halifax2TheMax said:
Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.Meltdown99 said:Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success. If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful. I suspect the Japanese people are happy. North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
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I do realize that.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was answering your question about whether halifax thought one meeting was going to be enough.Meltdown99 said:
I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good. Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.HughFreakingDillon said:
no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it.Meltdown99 said:
Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough? I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations...Halifax2TheMax said:
Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.Meltdown99 said:Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success. If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful. I suspect the Japanese people are happy. North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Sure agreed. I'm very cynical about NK giving up their nuclear warheads. It doesn't make any sense for them to do that. Only one country in history has done so and that was S. Africa, when the Apartheid regime handed over control to the ANC. Why in the world would Un ever do it? So Trump has created this bar that I believe is unattainable, using his giant lying mouth.Meltdown99 said:
I really don't pay that much attention to Trump ... I tend to think South Korea will be more instrumental in things moving forward...I hope eventually family reunification will happen. I prefer dialogue as opposed to threats.mrussel1 said:
The President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a threat. Words mean something when the POTUS says them, at least they used to. I'm going to fight this "post truth" era as hard as I can and not just say "meh".Meltdown99 said:
I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good. Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.HughFreakingDillon said:
no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it.Meltdown99 said:
Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough? I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations...Halifax2TheMax said:
Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.Meltdown99 said:Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success. If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful. I suspect the Japanese people are happy. North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-104676200 -
Here's a nicely distilled summary that says it all about Trump and his "deals". It's from the American Conservative. Pretty easy to see the pattern between NK, Canada, Germany, etc.
Trump fails to make deals with other states so often because he usually makes unreasonable demands. However, the bigger problem is that he won’t accept compromises because he equates them with being “ripped off.” He won’t settle for less than the other side’s capitulation, and so he always ends up with nothing. Trump views international relations primarily in terms of asserting dominance, and so he feels the need to pick fights with one or more states on a regular basis. Foreign leaders that flatter and praise him personally are left alone, while those that disagree with the substance of administration policies are subjected to insults and punitive measures.
If Trump reaches a vague understanding with a foreign leader who makes him feel important, he considers that to be far superior to agreements worked out by his predecessors through years of painstaking negotiations. He will happily renege on the latter while pretending that the former is a huge success. These reactions have nothing to do with discernible American national interests, but are based on whether the president feels personally insulted or thinks he needs to lash out to show “strength.”
The other reason why Trump is so bad at striking deals with other governments is that he is mainly concerned with pandering to domestic constituencies rather than reaching an agreement with other leaders. Trump would much prefer to demagogue an issue and take reckless unilateral actions regardless of the costs to the U.S. All of this is obviously incompatible with building constructive relationships with other governments, and it makes those governments less likely to trust or cooperate with the U.S. on a range of issues.
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No wonder the King of Jordan said Team Trump Treason was full of humility and grace. More like full of shit and...............mrussel1 said:Here's a nicely distilled summary that says it all about Trump and his "deals". It's from the American Conservative. Pretty easy to see the pattern between NK, Canada, Germany, etc.Trump fails to make deals with other states so often because he usually makes unreasonable demands. However, the bigger problem is that he won’t accept compromises because he equates them with being “ripped off.” He won’t settle for less than the other side’s capitulation, and so he always ends up with nothing. Trump views international relations primarily in terms of asserting dominance, and so he feels the need to pick fights with one or more states on a regular basis. Foreign leaders that flatter and praise him personally are left alone, while those that disagree with the substance of administration policies are subjected to insults and punitive measures.
If Trump reaches a vague understanding with a foreign leader who makes him feel important, he considers that to be far superior to agreements worked out by his predecessors through years of painstaking negotiations. He will happily renege on the latter while pretending that the former is a huge success. These reactions have nothing to do with discernible American national interests, but are based on whether the president feels personally insulted or thinks he needs to lash out to show “strength.”
The other reason why Trump is so bad at striking deals with other governments is that he is mainly concerned with pandering to domestic constituencies rather than reaching an agreement with other leaders. Trump would much prefer to demagogue an issue and take reckless unilateral actions regardless of the costs to the U.S. All of this is obviously incompatible with building constructive relationships with other governments, and it makes those governments less likely to trust or cooperate with the U.S. on a range of issues.
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I do not expect them to give them up. I would like to think the people's of the region don't feel as threatened.mrussel1 said:
Sure agreed. I'm very cynical about NK giving up their nuclear warheads. It doesn't make any sense for them to do that. Only one country in history has done so and that was S. Africa, when the Apartheid regime handed over control to the ANC. Why in the world would Un ever do it? So Trump has created this bar that I believe is unattainable, using his giant lying mouth.Meltdown99 said:
I really don't pay that much attention to Trump ... I tend to think South Korea will be more instrumental in things moving forward...I hope eventually family reunification will happen. I prefer dialogue as opposed to threats.mrussel1 said:
The President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a threat. Words mean something when the POTUS says them, at least they used to. I'm going to fight this "post truth" era as hard as I can and not just say "meh".Meltdown99 said:
I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good. Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.HughFreakingDillon said:
no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it.Meltdown99 said:
Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough? I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations...Halifax2TheMax said:
Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.Meltdown99 said:Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success. If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful. I suspect the Japanese people are happy. North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620Give Peas A Chance…0 -
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Yes, quite the surprising development. Why would we expect something that has happened for 60 years straight to happen again?0
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So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump...
Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.
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When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress. You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...Kev - Coat and Keys said:So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump...
Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
NK has suspended testing and development several times in the past. There were five deals written, ready to be signed from 1988 until 2012, covering every single president. Not one of them was signed. You'll have to excuse the cynics among us that think that Un would sign a deal not ratified by the Senate, when he can look at the Libya model and the Iran model to as the most recent precedent.Meltdown99 said:
When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress. You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...Kev - Coat and Keys said:So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump...
Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.0 -
I'm sure if they violate what is expected out of them that can be addressed at the time. No bigger cynic on the planet than me, so certainly understand. In this instance I hope it holds. Besides SK is more responsible for getting things to this point I think. Maybe it's more important the 2 Koreas are at least making an attempt.mrussel1 said:
NK has suspended testing and development several times in the past. There were five deals written, ready to be signed from 1988 until 2012, covering every single president. Not one of them was signed. You'll have to excuse the cynics among us that think that Un would sign a deal not ratified by the Senate, when he can look at the Libya model and the Iran model to as the most recent precedent.Meltdown99 said:
When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress. You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...Kev - Coat and Keys said:So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump...
Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I completely agree with you there, about SK being the driver.0
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All we can do is give it a chance, and a little hope doesn't hurt. And with SK as the driver, temperamental Trump may not be as influential in the region.mrussel1 said:I completely agree with you there, about SK being the driver.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Libya and iran didn't violateMeltdown99 said:
I'm sure if they violate what is expected out of them that can be addressed at the time. No bigger cynic on the planet than me, so certainly understand. In this instance I hope it holds. Besides SK is more responsible for getting things to this point I think. Maybe it's more important the 2 Koreas are at least making an attempt.mrussel1 said:
NK has suspended testing and development several times in the past. There were five deals written, ready to be signed from 1988 until 2012, covering every single president. Not one of them was signed. You'll have to excuse the cynics among us that think that Un would sign a deal not ratified by the Senate, when he can look at the Libya model and the Iran model to as the most recent precedent.Meltdown99 said:
When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress. You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...Kev - Coat and Keys said:So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump...
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As long as SK is leading it might be different ...NewJPage said:
Libya and iran didn't violateMeltdown99 said:
I'm sure if they violate what is expected out of them that can be addressed at the time. No bigger cynic on the planet than me, so certainly understand. In this instance I hope it holds. Besides SK is more responsible for getting things to this point I think. Maybe it's more important the 2 Koreas are at least making an attempt.mrussel1 said:
NK has suspended testing and development several times in the past. There were five deals written, ready to be signed from 1988 until 2012, covering every single president. Not one of them was signed. You'll have to excuse the cynics among us that think that Un would sign a deal not ratified by the Senate, when he can look at the Libya model and the Iran model to as the most recent precedent.Meltdown99 said:
When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress. You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...Kev - Coat and Keys said:So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump...
Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.Give Peas A Chance…0
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