Shows are no longer 3 hours/ less encores/less songs? Discuss

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  • pashapasaman
    pashapasaman Posts: 500

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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    pashapasaman said:

    Glad to hear. I would guess they are not forcing this and he is good to go. Great news for the rest of the tour!
  • nycrats
    nycrats Posts: 1,355
    excellent news
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow


     
    take that list and add alive, dte, gtf, ritfw, rvm, daughter, porch, lightning bolt, corduroy and youre almost at 2/3 the show if youre playing 25-27 songs.  of course you have to play the hits, (and for the record i love most of those songs) but maybe play 5-6 a night and keep rotating them to keep it fresher If they are a 27 song live show band now.  while its always someone's first show, the vast majority of fans have been doing this a long time.  
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,317
    im quite happy for the band to play whatever the fuck they like
  • DW139059
    DW139059 Posts: 368
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow


    I mean...at this point, even after almost 50 shows, even I dont want to hear a B-List setlist at a major show.  (Play a 10C only event, im all there for all the Bugs and Stupid Mops, etc.).  But I tend to bring a new person to a show more often than not.  The hits must be played. 
    A friend of mine's first Pearl Jam show was Greenville, SC  2016.  They played Betterman, and it was perfect, she loved it.  Didn't quite "get" the whole playing of Vs...
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,406
    CantKeepmedown said:
    Give me YL over RITFW or Fucking Up every god damn day of the week.  Indifference with the lights up is pretty cool as well. Baba is fine too.  Pretty much anything but RITFW.  
    I always thought release would be one heck of a closer.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • deftones
    deftones Athens, Greece Posts: 2,444
    pdalowsky said:
    im quite happy for the band to play whatever the fuck they like
    Well said
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,919
    mcgruff10 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    Give me YL over RITFW or Fucking Up every god damn day of the week.  Indifference with the lights up is pretty cool as well. Baba is fine too.  Pretty much anything but RITFW.  
    I always thought release would be one heck of a closer.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,406
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    Give me YL over RITFW or Fucking Up every god damn day of the week.  Indifference with the lights up is pretty cool as well. Baba is fine too.  Pretty much anything but RITFW.  
    I always thought release would be one heck of a closer.
    e v e n f l o w
    That would be sweet.  Good call.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,560
    mrk2 said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow
    Been there, done that :
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pearl-jam/2007/wembley-arena-london-england-43d6a7df.html

    Unleash those 2007 shows! My audience recordings don't cut it and those were some great shows. They opened one with Porch. That mini tour had some awesome setlists.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    mrk2 said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow
    Been there, done that :
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pearl-jam/2007/wembley-arena-london-england-43d6a7df.html

    Show would make for an excellent vault release 
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    mcgruff10 said:
    CantKeepmedown said:
    Give me YL over RITFW or Fucking Up every god damn day of the week.  Indifference with the lights up is pretty cool as well. Baba is fine too.  Pretty much anything but RITFW.  
    I always thought release would be one heck of a closer.
    It's definitely worth a try...and it does close one of the greatest albums of all time!
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,804
    - I don't mind if their sets eventually get shorter. My only request would be to start taking out openers again in that case. For my taste, they have a pretty good track record there. More often than not I've been genuinely excited to see the first band (MMJ, Band of Horses, Sparta, Sleater-Kinney, Sonic Youth, etc.).

    - The hits are hits and need to be played. It's what makes for such great energy with a crowd of 15-20k. B-sides and rarities are nice to have sprinkled in, but they can't carry a set.

    - Yellow Ledbetter rules
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,467
    I think you need to not worry about it & enjoy the show(s) if you’re going. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,919
    pjsteelerfan said:
    mrk2 said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow
    Been there, done that :
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pearl-jam/2007/wembley-arena-london-england-43d6a7df.html

    Show would make for an excellent vault release 
    The power of having the entire floor be tenclub.

    Copenhagen 2007 was better though. If there is such a thing as "better".
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,317
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    mrk2 said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow
    Been there, done that :
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pearl-jam/2007/wembley-arena-london-england-43d6a7df.html

    Show would make for an excellent vault release 
    The power of having the entire floor be tenclub.

    Copenhagen 2007 was better though. If there is such a thing as "better".
    WEmbley 2007 was an amazing show........Vault release would be just incredible. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,406
    pdalowsky said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    mrk2 said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow
    Been there, done that :
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pearl-jam/2007/wembley-arena-london-england-43d6a7df.html

    Show would make for an excellent vault release 
    The power of having the entire floor be tenclub.

    Copenhagen 2007 was better though. If there is such a thing as "better".
    WEmbley 2007 was an amazing show........Vault release would be just incredible. 
    Any clue when the next vault release will be?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,337
    mcgruff10 said:
    pdalowsky said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    mrk2 said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    It's always someone's first ever Pearl Jam show.  Can you imagine a show in which you didnt get to hear at least ONE of the following:

    Jeremy
    Betterman
    Black
    Small Town
    Yellow Ledbetter
    Even Flow
    Been there, done that :
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pearl-jam/2007/wembley-arena-london-england-43d6a7df.html

    Show would make for an excellent vault release 
    The power of having the entire floor be tenclub.

    Copenhagen 2007 was better though. If there is such a thing as "better".
    WEmbley 2007 was an amazing show........Vault release would be just incredible. 
    Any clue when the next vault release will be?
    If history is any indicator, it should be within a month. Perhaps July 10th will be when we know what it will be?
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  • NWOntario
    NWOntario Toronto Posts: 831
    "Better Man" has turned into an absolute motherfucker-of-a-show-stopper. It should be played every single night.
    I used to whine about The Tragically Hip not rotating songs often enough. I would give my remaining kidney to hear the most rote Tragically Hip setlist; one day I'll be saying the same thing about Pearl Jam and wishing I hadn't spent so much time complaining about setlists that are way more varied than pretty much any other band's.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,337
    edited June 2018
    NWOntario said:
    "Better Man" has turned into an absolute motherfucker-of-a-show-stopper. It should be played every single night.
    I used to whine about The Tragically Hip not rotating songs often enough. I would give my remaining kidney to hear the most rote Tragically Hip setlist; one day I'll be saying the same thing about Pearl Jam and wishing I hadn't spent so much time complaining about setlists that are way more varied than pretty much any other band's.
    I've got a problem with Better Man being some kind of joyful anthem that even Eddie for some reason pretends is about acutal good men, when in fact the lyrics are very explicitly about domestic abuse, and no matter how you spin, you can't make those lyrics mean anything other than that. That's why I don't like it anymore. Not so much because I'm bugged that a song about an important social issue has been twisted into some happy go lucky sing-a-long, although I don't like that, but because it just doesn't really make any damn sense now.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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