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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,804
    Personally, I am not in favor of a government that is a tyranny, or despotic, or a dictatorship, or totalitarian  whether it appears to be just like Hitler's Nazi movement or not.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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    that "wah wah" about the down syndrome kid made me want to punch my fucking ipad. 
    Empathy. No one in this Admin or prior employees of this Admin have any.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Posts: 10,513
    brianlux said:
    Personally, I am not in favor of a government that is a tyranny, or despotic, or a dictatorship, or totalitarian  whether it appears to be just like Hitler's Nazi movement or not.
    Definitely. We're getting bogged down on the comparison to past regimes instead of focusing on how much this one strives for some of those terrible systems you mentioned. Go back and ask people in 1990 or 2000 if Donald Trump could ever be president to see how good we are at predicting what may happen in the future no matter how unrealistic it seems right now. When the signs are present, act before it's too late.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tbergs said:
    Definitely. We're getting bogged down on the comparison to past regimes instead of focusing on how much this one strives for some of those terrible systems you mentioned. Go back and ask people in 1990 or 2000 if Donald Trump could ever be president to see how good we are at predicting what may happen in the future no matter how unrealistic it seems right now. When the signs are present, act before it's too late.
    I didn't even predict he had a chance in hell during the primaries. or even on fucking election night. 
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    tbergs said:
    Well, of course! The sun revolves around our flat planet Earth which is at the center of the universe.
    That was proven false hundreds of years ago.
    But I live in Colorado, I can see the sun rise and it is maybe mid-Kansas. So that means it rises in the West for everyone east of Kansas.
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    tbergs said:
    Empathy. No one in this Admin or prior employees of this Admin have any.
    And it trickles down to their fans. I'm done using the term "Trump supporters" because all they are are delusional fans. Not unlike Kardashian fans or whatever.
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,804
    tbergs said:
    Definitely. We're getting bogged down on the comparison to past regimes instead of focusing on how much this one strives for some of those terrible systems you mentioned. Go back and ask people in 1990 or 2000 if Donald Trump could ever be president to see how good we are at predicting what may happen in the future no matter how unrealistic it seems right now. When the signs are present, act before it's too late.
    Exactly.  Americans tend to say things like, "Oh, it's not that bad", or "Oh, we'll never be like that."  But then when you look at history and see how many times the rule of the land has turn to despotism or tyranny, etc. and one cannot rule out the possibility of that happening here. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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    edited June 2018

    So now he's going to "sign something" to end his policy of separating kids from parents without legislation. Bravo! He could have done this weeks ago but chose to use these kids as hostages. Now he realizes it's not going to work.


    DO YOU SEE HOW RIDICULOUS IT IS TO SUPPORT THIS FUCKING MORON?


    Wake up, people. Wake the fuck up already.

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    mcgruff10 said:
    No one is saying it is normal but it isn't Berlin 1938 either.


    Oh that's what I said? Really?


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    brianlux said:
    Personally, I am not in favor of a government that is a tyranny, or despotic, or a dictatorship, or totalitarian  whether it appears to be just like Hitler's Nazi movement or not.

    ....and this is what people fail to understand.
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  • I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    my2hands said:

    why you hiding behind a screen, bro? worried about the elimination of the white race?
    Difference:

    I don't single out users and talk shit.
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    unsung said:
    Difference:

    I don't single out users and talk shit.

    Rambo....attempting to take the high road
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    Rambo....attempting to take the high road
    Comical, isn’t it?
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    excellent opinion piece on comparing current US actions to Nazi Germany (many of these same points have been made by various posters here):

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/opinions/immigrant-children-sessions-holocaust-comparisons-miss-point-filipovic-opinion/index.html
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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/20/im-ashamed-of-what-theyre-doing-backlash-grows-for-trump-and-his-aides-655498

    From that article:

    President Donald Trump said he plans to sign an executive action on Wednesday that would end the administration’s policy of separating migrant families crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, abandoning the president’s previous stance that only Congress can fix the problem.

    “The Republicans want security and insist on security for our country. And we will have that,” Trump said during a meeting at the White House with lawmakers and officials. “At the same time we have compassion and want to keep families together. It’s very important. I’ll be signing something in a little while that’s going to do that.”

    He added that he hopes his action will “matched by legislation.”

    And then below that:

    On Tuesday night, shortly before the AP story broke, Trump attended a $100,000-plus-per-person fundraiser at his hotel in Washington, D.C. Before that, he met with House Republicans at the Capitol, where he sounded off on everything from trade to fighter jets, while only briefly acknowledging the outcry over the situation at the U.S.-Mexico border.

    "We have to take care of these separations,” he said, according to a person in the room, encouraging lawmakers to come up with a legislative fix and recounting that his daughter and adviser, Ivanka Trump, had raised concerns about the policy.

    But behind the scenes, Trump has been paying close attention to the fallout, at times doubling down on the policy and complaining that Democrats are using the issue to sabotage him politically, while also signaling to aides that he wants the issue resolved quickly.

    “It’s the Democrats fault, they won’t give us the votes needed to pass good immigration legislation,” Trump tweeted Wednesday. “They want open borders, which breeds horrible crime. Republicans want security. But I am working on something - it never ends!” The president also retweeted by Darrell Scott, a pastor and Trump supporter, that declared: “Once the mid terms are over, liberals won’t talk about detained or separated illegal immigrant children until 2020. #itsallpolitics.”

    The haves, have not a fucking clue.

    It's a hopeless situation...
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    edited June 2018

    Yeah it "began" the moment he came down that escalator.
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    excellent opinion piece on comparing current US actions to Nazi Germany (many of these same points have been made by various posters here):

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/opinions/immigrant-children-sessions-holocaust-comparisons-miss-point-filipovic-opinion/index.html

    Sadly this is too rational an article for a third of the country to comprehend...
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  • Posts: 43,263
    Words, to this administration, are divorced from any real meaning, except when they're being used as not-so-subtle dog whistles to a racist base. Like so many authoritarian regimes before them, they insist that words can be easily redefined, that history must be erased, and that you can't believe your own lyin' eyes.
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