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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,002
    No one is claiming the Trump administration is marching kids to death camps. And we must always be careful not to overstate the case. But the case here is clear, and it's dire, and it has dangerous historical precedents that we would be foolish and irresponsible to ignore.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    edited June 2018
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    Leader dehumanizes a people.

    Leader blames those people. (job loss, sucking money from economy, rape, drugs, crime)

    Base starts to believe. (already did really)

    They are the reason for our failure or country declining.

    Get state TV (Fox, Breitbart, etc. , and all radio talk shows) to spew propaganda regardless of facts or reason.

    Base believes they are the reason for their troubles.

    Implement policy that starts rounding them up with declaration from Sessions (Goebbles)

    Get Law Enforcement to comply and that is the right thing to do.

    Put them in camps in cages (or walls with chain link fences)


    Not similar to 1938 at all.





    It s actually not similar at all. This is such a stretch by the left. The only thing similar is that this year also ends in the number 8.
    There are strong similarities. The tactics being used are actually identical in some cases.
    Imo not at all. Actually I see zero similarities to Nazi germany persecuting their own citizens and the u.s. Arresting illegal immigrants at the border. 
    I meant there are strong similarities between Nazi political tactics and Trump admin tactics in general, including taking children away from their parents, period. That specific thing - removing children from the parents and not telling them when or if they'd ever be reunited, and sometimes doing it by telling the parents they were just taking the kid for a bath - is absolutely similar to what Nazis did, all other differences aside. But the other tactics I'm talking about are things like the propaganda tactics (did you see how they called the immigrants an infestation the other day? Sound familiar?), the anti-media tactics, having what amounts to state-sponsored news media, the double-speak: what's true is false, what's false is true, the ICE community raids taking place across the country, the deliberate fear mongering, the deliberate efforts to pit citizens against one another, the political rallies held by the leader after entering office, etc etc etc etc. There are OBJECTIVE similarities between the two regimes. I know this fact makes a lot of American people very uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean the parallels don't clearly exist.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,398
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    Leader dehumanizes a people.

    Leader blames those people. (job loss, sucking money from economy, rape, drugs, crime)

    Base starts to believe. (already did really)

    They are the reason for our failure or country declining.

    Get state TV (Fox, Breitbart, etc. , and all radio talk shows) to spew propaganda regardless of facts or reason.

    Base believes they are the reason for their troubles.

    Implement policy that starts rounding them up with declaration from Sessions (Goebbles)

    Get Law Enforcement to comply and that is the right thing to do.

    Put them in camps in cages (or walls with chain link fences)


    Not similar to 1938 at all.





    It s actually not similar at all. This is such a stretch by the left. The only thing similar is that this year also ends in the number 8.
    There are strong similarities. The tactics being used are actually identical in some cases.
    Imo not at all. Actually I see zero similarities to Nazi germany persecuting their own citizens and the u.s. Arresting illegal immigrants at the border. 
    I meant there are strong similarities between Nazi political tactics and Trump admin tactics in general, including taking children away from their parents, period. That specific thing - removing children from the parents and not telling them when or if they'd ever be reunited - is absolutely similar to what Nazis did, all other differences aside. But the other tactics I'm talking about are things like the propaganda tactics (did you see how they called the immigrants an infestation the other day? Sound familiar?), the anti-media tactics, having what amounts to state-sponsored news media, the double-speak: what's true is false, what's false is real, the ICE community raids, the deliberate fear mongering, the deliberate efforts to pit citizens against one another, the political rallies held by the leader after entering office, etc etc etc etc. There are OBJECTIVE similarities between the two regimes. I know this fact makes a lot of American people very uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean the parallels don't clearly exist.
    So much truth to all of this and the highlighted especially. These aren't normal political rallies. They're, "praise our great leader" rallies because he is so good and just. Just the other day he made the comment about how his supporters are the smartest people. He continually perpetuates that he and his followers are the more intelligent group. Does that sound familiar to anyone? I don't give a shit if you don't think it compares to Nazism, but it should still be concerning, not awww shucks, he's just saying what he thinks.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    Leader dehumanizes a people.

    Leader blames those people. (job loss, sucking money from economy, rape, drugs, crime)

    Base starts to believe. (already did really)

    They are the reason for our failure or country declining.

    Get state TV (Fox, Breitbart, etc. , and all radio talk shows) to spew propaganda regardless of facts or reason.

    Base believes they are the reason for their troubles.

    Implement policy that starts rounding them up with declaration from Sessions (Goebbles)

    Get Law Enforcement to comply and that is the right thing to do.

    Put them in camps in cages (or walls with chain link fences)


    Not similar to 1938 at all.





    It s actually not similar at all. This is such a stretch by the left. The only thing similar is that this year also ends in the number 8.
    There are strong similarities. The tactics being used are actually identical in some cases.
    Imo not at all. Actually I see zero similarities to Nazi germany persecuting their own citizens and the u.s. Arresting illegal immigrants at the border. 
    I meant there are strong similarities between Nazi political tactics and Trump admin tactics in general, including taking children away from their parents, period. That specific thing - removing children from the parents and not telling them when or if they'd ever be reunited, and sometimes doing it by telling the parents they were just taking the kid for a bath - is absolutely similar to what Nazis did, all other differences aside. But the other tactics I'm talking about are things like the propaganda tactics (did you see how they called the immigrants an infestation the other day? Sound familiar?), the anti-media tactics, having what amounts to state-sponsored news media, the double-speak: what's true is false, what's false is true, the ICE community raids taking place across the country, the deliberate fear mongering, the deliberate efforts to pit citizens against one another, the political rallies held by the leader after entering office, etc etc etc etc. There are OBJECTIVE similarities between the two regimes. I know this fact makes a lot of American people very uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean the parallels don't clearly exist.

    You're wasting your breath. He is a history teacher so he should know all of this already.....
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,394
    Well now that his church said what he is doing is wrong I guess he'll  put a stop to it......


  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited June 2018

    State Run Media

     https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/19/fox-news-family-separations-border-655464

    The story received some play on FoxNews.com over the weekend, but then, starting on Monday morning, headlines about it were buried beneath stories about Trump’s ambitions in outer-space, the hat Napoleon wore at the battle of Waterloo, and an allegedly spit-in hamburger at a restaurant in Queens.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,002
    But my hatred of others is sad. I wonder what hatred I espoused? Compared to separating innocent children from their parents, I'm a saint. I also don't recall telling everyone to just stop it and to fuck off within a couple of posts in a thread. But yea, I'm full of hatred. Team Trumpian Treason in its accusation. Kind of like, "lock her up!" Where are those Hillary indictments, by the way? Oh, we don't need those anymore. Kind of like facts.
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  • The Juggler
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,394
    American Airlines doing the right thing.....


  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    You can bet your bottom dollar that he will make it seem like he swooped in to save the kids by putting a stop to his own polocy , what a disgusting American he is and to think he's the face that the rest of the world knows is representing me or you !!! Not my president he needs to be impeached or resign along with his whole administration ! 
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    His predecessors did the same thing.  Where was the outrage then?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    unsung said:
    His predecessors did the same thing.  Where was the outrage then?
    It's irrelevant what anyone else did in the past.  Do you think it's right to separate the families or not?  That's what it comes down to.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    unsung said:
    Difference:

    I don't single out users and talk shit.


    I don't single you out, I single out your awful ideas/opinions and complete lack of empathy for others. You talk shit and dismiss the Parkland kids for taking a stand, you said you only have empathy for the taxpayers in this child snatching fiasco (I mean, really?)


    I'm sure you are a good dude, but you come across as giving zero fucks about anybody but yourself.  


    and trust me, I don't hide behind a screen, I would tell you to your face that I think you are wrong, and you can tell me I'm a liberal snowflake, and we can order another round. God Bless America, pass the ammo 

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    edited June 2018
    unsung said:
    His predecessors did the same thing.  Where was the outrage then?
    No they didn't. The only kids who were separated from their parents by his predecessors were in rare cases where the parents were specifically deemed unfit to care for them. Any other children under their custody before were unaccompanied minors. What's happening now absolutely was NOT done before at all, and I'm getting fucking sick of that lie being repeated over and over and over again, no matter how clearly that lie has been proven untrue. This is a NEW "zero-tolerance" policy created by the Trump administration, one that is literally keeping children hostages in warehouses for political gain and that imprisons children as a means of deterrence for desperate people, and that is a fact.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    unsung said:
    His predecessors did the same thing.  Where was the outrage then?

    incorrect
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited June 2018
    josevolution said:
    he needs to be impeached or resign along with his whole administration
    This is something I hear a lot of people say on a nearly daily basis, but isn't there an argument to be made that Trump might be MORE dangerous if he was forced out of office? He doesn't have "supporters." He has FANS. And they are hardcore fucking fans. The type that might revolt if he was impeached and voted out of office.

    What I'm about to type would sound ridiculous if it wasn't 2018 in America.....

    A Trump impeachment could lead to a sort of Civil War. If voted out of office, he certainly wouldn't just throw his hands up and say "oh well." He'd rally his "troops" into a frenzy that could lead to some horrible displays on their part. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised (again, this would sound crazy if I wasn't talking about Trump and his fans) if Trump could rally some of his most supportive states to succeed from the nation. "The Trump States of America."

    I know...everything I just typed is either completely insane, completely possible, or both.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    edited June 2018
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    josevolution said:
    he needs to be impeached or resign along with his whole administration
    This is something I hear a lot of people say on a nearly daily basis, but isn't there an argument to be made that Trump might be MORE dangerous if he was forced out of office? He doesn't have "supporters." He has FANS. And they are hardcore fucking fans. The type that might revolt if he was impeached and voted out of office.

    What I'm about to type would sound ridiculous if it wasn't 2018 in America.....

    A Trump impeachment could lead to a sort of Civil War. If voted out of office, he certainly wouldn't just throw his hands up and say "oh well." He'd rally his "troops" into a frenzy that could lead to some horrible displays on their part. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised (again, this would sound crazy if I wasn't talking about Trump and his fans) if Trump could rally some of his most supportive states to succeed from the nation. "The Trump States of America."

    I know...everything I just typed is either completely insane, completely possible, or both.
    I really don't think his idiot fans are bright enough to start a revolution in any case, but even if they are, no, I don't think it's right to keep an evil, destructive, criminal leader in office just because his moronic supporters might be mad about it. Is such a revolt in the realm of possibilities? I suppose, technically. Should that be a deterrent to doing what's right? No. Even if that did happen, that would just be something America and the world would also have to deal with. If he actually has supporters who are that fucking crazy and rabid and want America to be like their vision that badly, then they probably need to be fought in any case, and sooner is usually better than later I figure. And I think these yahoos would end up being pretty damn easy to beat until the entire US military decided to get involved in a coup against America's government and laws, and I don't really see them doing that in the name of Trump. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    josevolution said:
    he needs to be impeached or resign along with his whole administration
    This is something I hear a lot of people say on a nearly daily basis, but isn't there an argument to be made that Trump might be MORE dangerous if he was forced out of office? He doesn't have "supporters." He has FANS. And they are hardcore fucking fans. The type that might revolt if he was impeached and voted out of office.

    What I'm about to type would sound ridiculous if it wasn't 2018 in America.....

    A Trump impeachment could lead to a sort of Civil War. If voted out of office, he certainly wouldn't just throw his hands up and say "oh well." He'd rally his "troops" into a frenzy that could lead to some horrible displays on their part. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised (again, this would sound crazy if I wasn't talking about Trump and his fans) if Trump could rally some of his most supportive states to succeed from the nation. "The Trump States of America."

    I know...everything I just typed is either completely insane, completely possible, or both.
    I really don't think his idiot fans are bright enough to start a revolution in any case, but even if they are, no, I don't think it's right to keep an evil, destructive, criminal leader in office just because his moronic supporters might be mad about it. Is such a revolt in the realm of possibilities? I suppose, technically. Should that be a deterrent to doing what's right? No. Even if that did happen, that would just be something America and the world would also have to deal with. If he actually has supporters who are that fucking crazy and rabid and want America to be like their vision that badly, then they probably need to be fought in any case, and sooner is usually better than later I figure. And I think these yahoos would end up being pretty damn easy to beat until the entire US military decided to get involved in a coup against America's government and laws, and I don't really see them doing that in the name of Trump. 

    I guess I just expect the worst with some of these people.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Well Trump just signed an order disallowing the separation of families.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-reversal-trump-signs-order-stopping-family-separation/ar-AAyUE7S?ocid=spartanntp

    Now begins the process of getting these 2,500 kids back to their families, and in my opinion, there is no chance in hell that every one of those kids is going to get where they need to be.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    josevolution said:
    he needs to be impeached or resign along with his whole administration
    This is something I hear a lot of people say on a nearly daily basis, but isn't there an argument to be made that Trump might be MORE dangerous if he was forced out of office? He doesn't have "supporters." He has FANS. And they are hardcore fucking fans. The type that might revolt if he was impeached and voted out of office.

    What I'm about to type would sound ridiculous if it wasn't 2018 in America.....

    A Trump impeachment could lead to a sort of Civil War. If voted out of office, he certainly wouldn't just throw his hands up and say "oh well." He'd rally his "troops" into a frenzy that could lead to some horrible displays on their part. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised (again, this would sound crazy if I wasn't talking about Trump and his fans) if Trump could rally some of his most supportive states to succeed from the nation. "The Trump States of America."

    I know...everything I just typed is either completely insane, completely possible, or both.
    Didn't Trump say that he wasn't going away during the primaries when the GOP didn't want him there?

    There are also people that do believe a war is coming.

    There are some crazy people out there...

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    Trump is supposed to sign something to stop the separation of children from their parents?  I didn't think he'd stop.  If he signs an executive order I'd be shocked.

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