14 years and counting...

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Good morning my thoughts are with the kids and not anyone’s opinion of the situation , if you find this thread to be useless that’s ok I’ll be here to remind everyone that America is now storing children in tent city’s in Texas outdoors in the heat of the day !!

Are you more angry at the way the kids are tested or that they are separated from their parents?
while separating them from their parents I beleieve is a new practice, children have been “stored” in literal cages before with little outcry from the public.
Im not saying I like what’s happening, I just find it interesting that no one had a problem with it 4 years ago, but now Trump is evil for doing the same thing.
I linked an article the other day that talked about for even a former  Obama staff member used pictures from 2014 and passed them on as child cruelty from Trump.

I think “tested” must have been a typo and I’m not really sure what the question was, but they are two completely different situations. The children in the 2014 photo arrived without family and needed to be housed. Housing them in facilities like this is also wrong and totally inadequate, but they were at least there briefly before being moved on to better facilities. 

In contrast, the current administration is deliberately taking kids from their parents and locking them up. The average length of stay in these facilities is over 50 days at this point. Apples and oranges and a big dose of “Obama did it too”. 

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

Good morning my thoughts are with the kids and not anyone’s opinion of the situation , if you find this thread to be useless that’s ok I’ll be here to remind everyone that America is now storing children in tent city’s in Texas outdoors in the heat of the day !!

Are you more angry at the way the kids are tested or that they are separated from their parents?
while separating them from their parents I beleieve is a new practice, children have been “stored” in literal cages before with little outcry from the public.
Im not saying I like what’s happening, I just find it interesting that no one had a problem with it 4 years ago, but now Trump is evil for doing the same thing.
I linked an article the other day that talked about for even a former  Obama staff member used pictures from 2014 and passed them on as child cruelty from Trump.

I think “tested” must have been a typo and I’m not really sure what the question was, but they are two completely different situations. The children in the 2014 photo arrived without family and needed to be housed. Housing them in facilities like this is also wrong and totally inadequate, but they were at least there briefly before being moved on to better facilities. 

In contrast, the current administration is deliberately taking kids from their parents and locking them up. The average length of stay in these facilities is over 50 days at this point. Apples and oranges and a big dose of “Obama did it too”. 

Yes, it was a typo, I don’t know how it auto corrected to “tested.”
i meant are you more angry with the way they are being held, or that they are separated from their families?
I know 2014 is different from today. But there seems to be outrage over both, ive heard several news reporters refer to it as a concentration camp.
i understand the separation is new, but the cages aren’t. So that is why I asked. Anyone who is outraged over the way they are held, where was the outrage 4 years ago?
And to compare it to a concentration camp is laughable, and insulting to those who suffered in one. They aren’t being worked, they are given free meals, some entertainment. 
I’ve said I don’t like the separation either, but some of this seems overblown to me to be honest. At least the anger towards any group and the inaccurate descriptions of it. Be angry at every president for the last 40 years who have all done nothing but promote illegal immigration through their lack of enforcement.
And I can’t help but feel at least some of this outrage isn’t genuine when 4 year old pictures are being used to incite this argument, that just proves the conditions where the same and no one cared then. The only difference it’s it’s another thing to be angry at Trump about.

‘America is better than this’: What a doctor saw in a Texas shelter for migrant children - The Washington Post https://apple.news/AxZTfGFUCReK90ajjQNbPbw
Not sure why this has to happen...

‘America is better than this’: What a doctor saw in a Texas shelter for migrant children

But the first child who caught the prominent pediatrician’s attention during a recent visit was anything but happy. Inside a room dedicated to toddlers was a little girl no older than 2, screaming and pounding her fists on a mat. One woman tried to give her toys and books to calm her down, but even that shelter worker seemed frustrated, Kraft told The Washington Post, because as much as she wanted to console the little girl, she couldn’t touch, hold or pick her up to let her know everything would be all right. That was the rule, Kraft said she was told: They’re not allowed to touch the children.

“The really devastating thing was that we all knew what was going on with this child. We all knew what the problem was,” Kraft said. “She didn’t have her mother, and none of us can fix that.”

Such a situation could have long-term, devastating effects on young children, who are likely to develop what is called toxic stress in their brain once separated from caregivers or parents they trusted. It disrupts a child’s brain development and increases the levels of fight-or-flight hormones in their bodies, Kraft said. This kind of emotional trauma could eventually lead to health problems, such as heart disease and substance abuse disorders.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/06/16/america-is-better-than-this-what-a-doctor-saw-in-a-texas-shelter-for-migrant-children/?utm_term=.95b8feb91f4c

Barbaric. How could any human defend this?

dignin said:

‘America is better than this’: What a doctor saw in a Texas shelter for migrant children

But the first child who caught the prominent pediatrician’s attention during a recent visit was anything but happy. Inside a room dedicated to toddlers was a little girl no older than 2, screaming and pounding her fists on a mat. One woman tried to give her toys and books to calm her down, but even that shelter worker seemed frustrated, Kraft told The Washington Post, because as much as she wanted to console the little girl, she couldn’t touch, hold or pick her up to let her know everything would be all right. That was the rule, Kraft said she was told: They’re not allowed to touch the children.

“The really devastating thing was that we all knew what was going on with this child. We all knew what the problem was,” Kraft said. “She didn’t have her mother, and none of us can fix that.”

Such a situation could have long-term, devastating effects on young children, who are likely to develop what is called toxic stress in their brain once separated from caregivers or parents they trusted. It disrupts a child’s brain development and increases the levels of fight-or-flight hormones in their bodies, Kraft said. This kind of emotional trauma could eventually lead to health problems, such as heart disease and substance abuse disorders.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/06/16/america-is-better-than-this-what-a-doctor-saw-in-a-texas-shelter-for-migrant-children/?utm_term=.95b8feb91f4c

Barbaric. How could any human defend this?

And what makes it worse, like it needs to be any worse, is Trump can’t even admit that it’s his administration that’s doing this. He’s doubling down on the lie that this is because of a “Democrat law”, and it seems people believe that. It’s not a Dem law. It’s not a law at all. It’s Republican policy and he won’t even own it because he knows it’s repugnant. 

Should be no surprise that the head white house nazi came up with this.....

Yep this is a inhumane policy and this country needs to denounce it & the GOP are no better where is Goudy where’s Fucking Cruz isn’t he one of the senators with immigrant parents where is fucking Rubio ! Ashamed naturalized American citizen here !

Bentleyspop said:

josevolution said:

Yep this is a inhumane policy and this country needs to denounce it & the GOP are no better where is Goudy where’s Fucking Cruz isn’t he one of the senators with immigrant parents where is fucking Rubio ! Ashamed naturalized American citizen here !

Remember when Russia was the enemy and not a dictatorship that we emulated?

https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1008368177045299200?s=19

Yeah Baffoon is learning a whole lot about oppression of its population he probably talks to him thru secret channels all the time ...I wonder what’s the next lesson will be how to get rid of media members that 

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tbergs said:

F Me In The Brain said:

This has to be the most useless thread on the board.

I mean really, aren't they all? It's just internet banter and no action among the same dozen posters in every thread with an occasional guest appearance. 

You mean nobody has changed anybodies mind here?  What?  You mean I've wasted all this time?  NOOO! 

And yet we all keep coming back for more.  Masochists! 

Well, I think we're getting really close to convincing Mcgruff that Riot Act is a masterpiece and You Are is pure gold. I think Thirty is also reconsidering whether Trump supporters have 2 teeth instead of 1.

I saw a photo of a bunch of Trump guys. They were shooting their guns in the air and drinking beer in the back of a rusted Fargo. One of them was blowing into a moonshine jug. I thought he had two teeth, but I magnified the picture and saw he only had one tooth- the other 'tooth' was actually a mint.

The guy still only had one tooth, but obviously he's one of the more classier Trump guys- concerning himself with halitosis. He even had GWG denim overalls and he wore socks in his boots! I had my suspicions he might have been Rolemodel... but I really can't tell.  

I don't have any teeth, that must have been my cousin, that lucky bastard.

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josevolution said:

I know the kids wanna be free to be outside doing what kids do having fun not being housed in empty old warehouses or tent city's ....

Give them xboxes and they would just be living the normal life of kids in the USA...

You forgot to make a Tide Pods joke.

Damn, I knew I left something out.  

I gotta say dude, I find the way this is going down to be appalling, and find your indifference to it equally so. this is not faux outrage. this is children in fucking prison by the government of the US. with the president blaming the party not in power for it, all the while cozying up to a murderous dictator. the time for outrage, if it wasn't before, is now. 

I'm not sure I'd call it prison.  And the parents certainly share some of the blame in this as they are the ones that broke the law.  However, I think we need a catch and release policy at the border....just turn the whole family away.  Of course most will try again...can you just continue to catch and release?  Obviously this isn't the solution, but there aren't a lot of good answers when you've let something go unchecked for decades.  This is a complex problem that needs lots of different solutions to overhaul.  But we should start by not separating families.  It's just not right and in the long run is likely to generate enemies of the US and hurt our security.

If it was your kid, you'd call it prison.
You're right though - It's just not right and can lead to nothing good for America.

Except of course I didn’t break the law trying to illegally enter another country. 

Correct.  Illegal is illegal. I have zero problem with legal immigration.  Come one come all! Lol

So because illegal is illegal it’s ok to separate kids from parents ? Am I correct in thinking 

Absolutely. 

Actions have consequences. 

You're really a piece of fucking work.