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I’m not for breaking families apart either. But I saw this asked and didn’t see anyone answer. What would you suggest be done?
Send the whole family back? Ignore the fact they broke immigration laws? Or something else?0 -
I would be fine with them “just going back together” if that would be what actually happened. I worry more about them being trafficked back and forth and dying in the back of a truck though.josevolution said:
not separated them from their parents for starters your acting like these kids are coming here alone damn dude , do me a favor don't respond to me ok or just stay away from this thread ..PJPOWER said:
What would you have done with them? If they had been turned around at the border, they would probably be out dead in a desert somewhere or sex trafficked by some cartel.josevolution said:hey i'm pissed about this issue i find no jokes are funny about kids in tent city's or old wearhouses so if i react with anger i apologize but this issue is not one i'm letting go and if the mods need to give me a timeout or ban me so be it , have a good weekend everyone ....
Again these kids are coming here with parents and are being separated it needs to stop like yesterday , just make them all go back together !0 -
I wouldn’t say same as America. We have so many laws and rules in place to help keep people here once they are here illegally. I don’t know any other country that does that.HughFreakingDillon said:
same as it is for america. I was just making a (thirty bills-inpired) joke about the refugees we take in.mace1229 said:
Isn’t it actually pretty difficult as an American to get into Canada?HughFreakingDillon said:
haha. the canada.mcgruff10 said:
Is that quote from the canada's immigration webpage?HughFreakingDillon said:
more wall bullshit. provisions that allow the government to detain kids for undefined amounts of time. merit based immigration. give us your tired, indeed. change that to "give us your skilled, your energetic, your middle class".mcgruff10 said:
what would you deem "shit" in this bill?HughFreakingDillon said:typical. create a problem, then attempt to fix it to look like the hero if it passes or the democrats looks like the evil ones when it doesn't because they packaged it with shit that cannot be accepted.
this admin is fucking evil.
no, ours is "give us everyone you've got, just please leave your nailbombs at the door".
Ive never tried, but have friends and family who have and it definitely was not that easy from what I’ve heard.
My brother in law needed a job lined up and a sponsor family to get a visa to go.0 -
Oh how about having signs giant signs stating in spanish that the consequences for trying to cross border illegally is that they will take your kids away or have a recording in spanish stating such policy is in place ! this is a good debate though it really shows people's true color and how they really feel about human compassion when it doen't pertain to them or their race ....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Oooohh, so you're one of those "America if full" meme guys, lol.PJPOWER said:
Nope, we are obviously at capacity, haven’t you been paying attention?HughFreakingDillon said:
what is with this idiotic "bus/train to Canada" nonsense you keep posting? should we bus/train all the syrian refugees to america too?PJPOWER said:
Bus tickets to Canada would also be a lot cheaper and not a massive human rights violation.PJ_Soul said:
I don't even know what you mean by that. Do you not know what projecting means, or are you saying that I'm in denial about something?PJPOWER said:
What an exceptional display of projecting, hats off to you. What do you suggest the US do with them other than provide free shelter, food, water? I hate to see families split as well, but anyone that does not follow the rules/laws of society risk the same thing. Would you prefer the US just turn them around at the border to die in the desert?PJ_Soul said:
I'm not sure who is foaming at the mouth, but if they are, then there's never really been a more justified time for it. I'm starting to get from your posts that you don't give a flying fuck about your government treating humans, including children, a lot like Jews were treated in Nazi Germany before they started exterminating them (no, I'm not suggesting they are going to start exterminating these kids), but I am surprised you at least don't understand why this bothers other people enough for it to really upset them. And you don't seem to think that a government that puts little innocent children in a human warehouse after ripping them away from their families is a good reason for "demonizing" said government - people need to call it when they see it. I just can't work out if you're burying your head in the sand and are in denial, or if you just don't mind what's going on in the real world.PJPOWER said:
Some people are foaming at the mouth to demonize others...oh well, on with life.cincybearcat said:
I thought it was funny.PJ_Soul said:
Way to minimize one of the most horrific things occurring in your nation today, and being perpetrated by your own government. Holy shit. With you here with that comment combined with the gems from rolemodels over on the porch about how Trump's desire to be a dictator is funny, i almost makes a person want to just give up in disgust. Almost.PJPOWER said:
Give them xboxes and they would just be living the normal life of kids in the USA...josevolution said:I know the kids wanna be free to be outside doing what kids do having fun not being housed in empty old warehouses or tent city's ....
now - in the grand scheme of things this weird outrage over these kids spending 80% of their time indoors is kinda strange to me and missing the entire point that they shouldn’t be there to begin with...unless their families are there too during this process.
I suggest they don't take the children away from the parents and warehouse them. Yeah, I know, crazy, right?
Yes, I would prefer that the US turn them around. It's pretty weird that you think the only option is for these people to wander off into the desert and die. It's like you think they're actual animals or something.
If all that's behind them is a wasteland (which they managed to get through to reach the border, go figure, I guess they're not that useless after all), authorities could take them somewhere they can cross back safely. That would be way cheaper than what they're doing now, and wouldn't be one massive human rights violation.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Sounds great, but why did they not choose that route to begin with???PJ_Soul said:PJPOWER said:
Bus tickets to Canada would also be a lot cheaper and not a massive human rights violation.PJ_Soul said:
I don't even know what you mean by that. Do you not know what projecting means, or are you saying that I'm in denial about something?PJPOWER said:
What an exceptional display of projecting, hats off to you. What do you suggest the US do with them other than provide free shelter, food, water? I hate to see families split as well, but anyone that does not follow the rules/laws of society risk the same thing. Would you prefer the US just turn them around at the border to die in the desert?PJ_Soul said:
I'm not sure who is foaming at the mouth, but if they are, then there's never really been a more justified time for it. I'm starting to get from your posts that you don't give a flying fuck about your government treating humans, including children, a lot like Jews were treated in Nazi Germany before they started exterminating them (no, I'm not suggesting they are going to start exterminating these kids), but I am surprised you at least don't understand why this bothers other people enough for it to really upset them. And you don't seem to think that a government that puts little innocent children in a human warehouse after ripping them away from their families is a good reason for "demonizing" said government - people need to call it when they see it. I just can't work out if you're burying your head in the sand and are in denial, or if you just don't mind what's going on in the real world.PJPOWER said:
Some people are foaming at the mouth to demonize others...oh well, on with life.cincybearcat said:
I thought it was funny.PJ_Soul said:
Way to minimize one of the most horrific things occurring in your nation today, and being perpetrated by your own government. Holy shit. With you here with that comment combined with the gems from rolemodels over on the porch about how Trump's desire to be a dictator is funny, i almost makes a person want to just give up in disgust. Almost.PJPOWER said:
Give them xboxes and they would just be living the normal life of kids in the USA...josevolution said:I know the kids wanna be free to be outside doing what kids do having fun not being housed in empty old warehouses or tent city's ....
now - in the grand scheme of things this weird outrage over these kids spending 80% of their time indoors is kinda strange to me and missing the entire point that they shouldn’t be there to begin with...unless their families are there too during this process.
I suggest they don't take the children away from the parents and warehouse them. Yeah, I know, crazy, right?
Yes, I would prefer that the US turn them around. It's pretty weird that you think the only option is for these people to wander off into the desert and die. It's like you think they're actual animals or something.
If all that's behind them is a wasteland (which they managed to get through to reach the border, go figure, I guess they're not that useless after all), authorities could take them somewhere they can cross back safely. That would be way cheaper than what they're doing now, and wouldn't be one massive human rights violation.
Nice attempt at a come back I guess, but how would bus tickets to Canada be cheaper than bus tickets to the closest safe border crossing on the border they're already at?
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I answered on the previous page.mace1229 said:I’m not for breaking families apart either. But I saw this asked and didn’t see anyone answer. What would you suggest be done?
Send the whole family back? Ignore the fact they broke immigration laws? Or something else?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I’m not even sure what meme you are referring to, but it sounds like you are a lot more up to date on them than me.PJ_Soul said:
Oooohh, so you're one of those "America if full" meme guys, lol.PJPOWER said:
Nope, we are obviously at capacity, haven’t you been paying attention?HughFreakingDillon said:
what is with this idiotic "bus/train to Canada" nonsense you keep posting? should we bus/train all the syrian refugees to america too?PJPOWER said:
Bus tickets to Canada would also be a lot cheaper and not a massive human rights violation.PJ_Soul said:
I don't even know what you mean by that. Do you not know what projecting means, or are you saying that I'm in denial about something?PJPOWER said:
What an exceptional display of projecting, hats off to you. What do you suggest the US do with them other than provide free shelter, food, water? I hate to see families split as well, but anyone that does not follow the rules/laws of society risk the same thing. Would you prefer the US just turn them around at the border to die in the desert?PJ_Soul said:
I'm not sure who is foaming at the mouth, but if they are, then there's never really been a more justified time for it. I'm starting to get from your posts that you don't give a flying fuck about your government treating humans, including children, a lot like Jews were treated in Nazi Germany before they started exterminating them (no, I'm not suggesting they are going to start exterminating these kids), but I am surprised you at least don't understand why this bothers other people enough for it to really upset them. And you don't seem to think that a government that puts little innocent children in a human warehouse after ripping them away from their families is a good reason for "demonizing" said government - people need to call it when they see it. I just can't work out if you're burying your head in the sand and are in denial, or if you just don't mind what's going on in the real world.PJPOWER said:
Some people are foaming at the mouth to demonize others...oh well, on with life.cincybearcat said:
I thought it was funny.PJ_Soul said:
Way to minimize one of the most horrific things occurring in your nation today, and being perpetrated by your own government. Holy shit. With you here with that comment combined with the gems from rolemodels over on the porch about how Trump's desire to be a dictator is funny, i almost makes a person want to just give up in disgust. Almost.PJPOWER said:
Give them xboxes and they would just be living the normal life of kids in the USA...josevolution said:I know the kids wanna be free to be outside doing what kids do having fun not being housed in empty old warehouses or tent city's ....
now - in the grand scheme of things this weird outrage over these kids spending 80% of their time indoors is kinda strange to me and missing the entire point that they shouldn’t be there to begin with...unless their families are there too during this process.
I suggest they don't take the children away from the parents and warehouse them. Yeah, I know, crazy, right?
Yes, I would prefer that the US turn them around. It's pretty weird that you think the only option is for these people to wander off into the desert and die. It's like you think they're actual animals or something.
If all that's behind them is a wasteland (which they managed to get through to reach the border, go figure, I guess they're not that useless after all), authorities could take them somewhere they can cross back safely. That would be way cheaper than what they're doing now, and wouldn't be one massive human rights violation.
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There were 66 new posts since I last checked about 2 hours ago. I could have easily missed itPJ_Soul said:
I answered on the previous page.mace1229 said:I’m not for breaking families apart either. But I saw this asked and didn’t see anyone answer. What would you suggest be done?
Send the whole family back? Ignore the fact they broke immigration laws? Or something else?
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yep just send them back as a family they broke the law fine but to split them apart is assnine and illegal ....just try to put yourself in these kids shoes for a second they are all alone with strangers all around them no one they can cry onto i'm talking young kids 3 4 yrs old and younger hell even at 10 kids need to be consoled , like i said i'm glad i'm learning everyone's tru colors here ....mace1229 said:I’m not for breaking families apart either. But I saw this asked and didn’t see anyone answer. What would you suggest be done?
Send the whole family back? Ignore the fact they broke immigration laws? Or something else?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I agree. I don’t think separating them is good either. I just asked what should be done.josevolution said:
yep just send them back as a family they broke the law fine but to split them apart is assnine and illegal ....just try to put yourself in these kids shoes for a second they are all alone with strangers all around them no one they can cry onto i'm talking young kids 3 4 yrs old and younger hell even at 10 kids need to be consoled , like i said i'm glad i'm learning everyone's tru colors here ....mace1229 said:I’m not for breaking families apart either. But I saw this asked and didn’t see anyone answer. What would you suggest be done?
Send the whole family back? Ignore the fact they broke immigration laws? Or something else?
Everyone knows our immigration is a joke, and if you get caught today just try again tomorrow. So something needs to be done. I just don’t know what the answer is.
i think it should definitely be more strict for repeat offenders. Catch and release the first time I get, but those repeat offenders I’m not sure what to do.0 -
.... I am experiencing a period of downtime at work.mace1229 said:
There were 66 new posts since I last checked about 2 hours ago. I could have easily missed itPJ_Soul said:
I answered on the previous page.mace1229 said:I’m not for breaking families apart either. But I saw this asked and didn’t see anyone answer. What would you suggest be done?
Send the whole family back? Ignore the fact they broke immigration laws? Or something else?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
mace1229 said:
Isn’t it actually pretty difficult as an American to get into Canada?HughFreakingDillon said:
haha. the canada.mcgruff10 said:
Is that quote from the canada's immigration webpage?HughFreakingDillon said:
more wall bullshit. provisions that allow the government to detain kids for undefined amounts of time. merit based immigration. give us your tired, indeed. change that to "give us your skilled, your energetic, your middle class".mcgruff10 said:
what would you deem "shit" in this bill?HughFreakingDillon said:typical. create a problem, then attempt to fix it to look like the hero if it passes or the democrats looks like the evil ones when it doesn't because they packaged it with shit that cannot be accepted.
this admin is fucking evil.
no, ours is "give us everyone you've got, just please leave your nailbombs at the door".
Ive never tried, but have friends and family who have and it definitely was not that easy from what I’ve heard.
My brother in law needed a job lined up and a sponsor family to get a visa to go.
And vice versa.
I looked at the idea of moving to Hawaii. The teacher shortage there inspired me, but I discovered things were far from easy and was kind of discouraged (other items like health care and the country's love of guns were deterrents as well).
"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Except of course I didn’t break the law trying to illegally enter another country.PJ_Soul said:
If it was your kid, you'd call it prison.cincybearcat said:
I'm not sure I'd call it prison. And the parents certainly share some of the blame in this as they are the ones that broke the law. However, I think we need a catch and release policy at the border....just turn the whole family away. Of course most will try again...can you just continue to catch and release? Obviously this isn't the solution, but there aren't a lot of good answers when you've let something go unchecked for decades. This is a complex problem that needs lots of different solutions to overhaul. But we should start by not separating families. It's just not right and in the long run is likely to generate enemies of the US and hurt our security.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta say dude, I find the way this is going down to be appalling, and find your indifference to it equally so. this is not faux outrage. this is children in fucking prison by the government of the US. with the president blaming the party not in power for it, all the while cozying up to a murderous dictator. the time for outrage, if it wasn't before, is now.PJPOWER said:
Damn, I knew I left something out.OnWis97 said:
You forgot to make a Tide Pods joke.PJPOWER said:
Give them xboxes and they would just be living the normal life of kids in the USA...josevolution said:I know the kids wanna be free to be outside doing what kids do having fun not being housed in empty old warehouses or tent city's ....
You're right though - It's just not right and can lead to nothing good for America.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Correct. Illegal is illegal. I have zero problem with legal immigration. Come one come all! Lolcincybearcat said:
Except of course I didn’t break the law trying to illegally enter another country.PJ_Soul said:
If it was your kid, you'd call it prison.cincybearcat said:
I'm not sure I'd call it prison. And the parents certainly share some of the blame in this as they are the ones that broke the law. However, I think we need a catch and release policy at the border....just turn the whole family away. Of course most will try again...can you just continue to catch and release? Obviously this isn't the solution, but there aren't a lot of good answers when you've let something go unchecked for decades. This is a complex problem that needs lots of different solutions to overhaul. But we should start by not separating families. It's just not right and in the long run is likely to generate enemies of the US and hurt our security.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta say dude, I find the way this is going down to be appalling, and find your indifference to it equally so. this is not faux outrage. this is children in fucking prison by the government of the US. with the president blaming the party not in power for it, all the while cozying up to a murderous dictator. the time for outrage, if it wasn't before, is now.PJPOWER said:
Damn, I knew I left something out.OnWis97 said:
You forgot to make a Tide Pods joke.PJPOWER said:
Give them xboxes and they would just be living the normal life of kids in the USA...josevolution said:I know the kids wanna be free to be outside doing what kids do having fun not being housed in empty old warehouses or tent city's ....
You're right though - It's just not right and can lead to nothing good for America.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
So because illegal is illegal it’s ok to separate kids from parents ? Am I correct in thinkingmcgruff10 said:
Correct. Illegal is illegal. I have zero problem with legal immigration. Come one come all! Lolcincybearcat said:
Except of course I didn’t break the law trying to illegally enter another country.PJ_Soul said:
If it was your kid, you'd call it prison.cincybearcat said:
I'm not sure I'd call it prison. And the parents certainly share some of the blame in this as they are the ones that broke the law. However, I think we need a catch and release policy at the border....just turn the whole family away. Of course most will try again...can you just continue to catch and release? Obviously this isn't the solution, but there aren't a lot of good answers when you've let something go unchecked for decades. This is a complex problem that needs lots of different solutions to overhaul. But we should start by not separating families. It's just not right and in the long run is likely to generate enemies of the US and hurt our security.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta say dude, I find the way this is going down to be appalling, and find your indifference to it equally so. this is not faux outrage. this is children in fucking prison by the government of the US. with the president blaming the party not in power for it, all the while cozying up to a murderous dictator. the time for outrage, if it wasn't before, is now.PJPOWER said:
Damn, I knew I left something out.OnWis97 said:
You forgot to make a Tide Pods joke.PJPOWER said:
Give them xboxes and they would just be living the normal life of kids in the USA...josevolution said:I know the kids wanna be free to be outside doing what kids do having fun not being housed in empty old warehouses or tent city's ....
You're right though - It's just not right and can lead to nothing good for America.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I ve said multiple times that I don’t agree with that policy.josevolution said:
So because illegal is illegal it’s ok to separate kids from parents ? Am I correct in thinkingmcgruff10 said:
Correct. Illegal is illegal. I have zero problem with legal immigration. Come one come all! Lolcincybearcat said:
Except of course I didn’t break the law trying to illegally enter another country.PJ_Soul said:
If it was your kid, you'd call it prison.cincybearcat said:
I'm not sure I'd call it prison. And the parents certainly share some of the blame in this as they are the ones that broke the law. However, I think we need a catch and release policy at the border....just turn the whole family away. Of course most will try again...can you just continue to catch and release? Obviously this isn't the solution, but there aren't a lot of good answers when you've let something go unchecked for decades. This is a complex problem that needs lots of different solutions to overhaul. But we should start by not separating families. It's just not right and in the long run is likely to generate enemies of the US and hurt our security.HughFreakingDillon said:
I gotta say dude, I find the way this is going down to be appalling, and find your indifference to it equally so. this is not faux outrage. this is children in fucking prison by the government of the US. with the president blaming the party not in power for it, all the while cozying up to a murderous dictator. the time for outrage, if it wasn't before, is now.PJPOWER said:
Damn, I knew I left something out.OnWis97 said:
You forgot to make a Tide Pods joke.PJPOWER said:
Give them xboxes and they would just be living the normal life of kids in the USA...josevolution said:I know the kids wanna be free to be outside doing what kids do having fun not being housed in empty old warehouses or tent city's ....
You're right though - It's just not right and can lead to nothing good for America.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
dignin said:
Same as what we do here in Canada.mace1229 said:I’m not for breaking families apart either. But I saw this asked and didn’t see anyone answer. What would you suggest be done?
Send the whole family back? Ignore the fact they broke immigration laws? Or something else?
In fairness to the US... the degree of difficulty they face dealing with immigration is much greater than that we face. With our oceans and the US buffering us from everyone... it's kind of easy for us to sit back and talk of how countries should be better.
That being said... stripping children from their parents is barbaric."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
mace1229 said:
There were 66 new posts since I last checked about 2 hours ago. I could have easily missed itPJ_Soul said:
I answered on the previous page.mace1229 said:I’m not for breaking families apart either. But I saw this asked and didn’t see anyone answer. What would you suggest be done?
Send the whole family back? Ignore the fact they broke immigration laws? Or something else?Totally off topic but your comment reminds me of the fact that another forum I post on has it set up so that posts within a thread are numbered. In other words, if I wanted to direct you to the post about someone asking me to tab Neil Young's song "Over and Over" I could tell you to go to AET, "First song you heard when you woke up this morning?" thread, post number such-and such.KAT, mods, what do you think about numbering posts?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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