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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,641
    edited June 2018

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Oh, wait - now they claim there isn't such a policy. After announcing it and publishing information documents on their policy and making statements on it and Trump blaming it on the Dems, now the WH claims there actually isn't such a policy. 

    Phew, it's all all right, then. 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,641
    oftenreading said:
    Oh, wait - now they claim there isn't such a policy. After announcing it and publishing sinformation documents on their policy and making statements on it and Trump blaming it on the Dems, now the WH claims there actually isn't such a policy. 

    Phew, it's all all right, then. 
    Keep up.....


  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    edited June 2018
    oftenreading said:
    Oh, wait - now they claim there isn't such a policy. After announcing it and publishing information documents on their policy and making statements on it and Trump blaming it on the Dems, now the WH claims there actually isn't such a policy. 

    Phew, it's all all right, then. 
    I’ve seen it said from multiple sources the policy Trump keeps referring to is children must be separated from their parents if they aren’t really  not their parents, the child is in danger, or if the parents are being prosecuted.
    Very rarely was anyone ever prosecuted before, but Trumps policy is to prosecute parents, and based on the previous policy they are to be separated.
    Thus the back and forth blaming. Trump is blaming the previous policy while dems blame Trump for the separation by prosecuting the parents.
    Can you or anyone else correct that if it is wrong?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    I just heard on CBS news this morning, in a pretty anti-Trump segment even, that most cases the children are only separated for a few hours.
    The only excpetions are if they don’t plead guilty (which almost all do) or if there are prior offenses.
    i have nothing wrong with that if that’s true. Separating a kid for a couple hours so they can go through court proceedings is really not a big deal. There are plenty of things parents must do where children are not allowed. And if the child is kept for days or weeks because of a prior record, then that’s on the parent too.
    I couldn’t find any other sources discuss the length of time, so I’m assuming that CBS report is accurate.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    I just heard on CBS news this morning, in a pretty anti-Trump segment even, that most cases the children are only separated for a few hours.
    The only excpetions are if they don’t plead guilty (which almost all do) or if there are prior offenses.
    i have nothing wrong with that if that’s true. Separating a kid for a couple hours so they can go through court proceedings is really not a big deal. There are plenty of things parents must do where children are not allowed. And if the child is kept for days or weeks because of a prior record, then that’s on the parent too.
    I couldn’t find any other sources discuss the length of time, so I’m assuming that CBS report is accurate.
    I don’t have time to go into it in full but I heard a report this weekend that the average length of stay for kids in these facilities is 50 days. The Trump administration wouldn’t release the longest length of stay data. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    edited June 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Why don’t I Remember this thread when Obama was doing the same exact thing in 2013?
    Mostly because he wasn’t doing exactly the same thing. In fact, no where close, which is clear from the info in this thread. 
    Let s go Newsweek as a source:

    There is a big difference. Those were unaccompanied minors, not children being separated.
    But they way they were held was exactly the same. So those who are “outraged” over the tents and cages, but didn’t speak up a few years ago I can easily dismiss as just jumping on the anti-Trump bandwagon.
    Those who focus their anger at the separation have a legitimate issue.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Addendum to my comment above - the 50 day figure is from the administration itself, given out to the reporters who were allowed to tour that facility last week. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Well trump fucked this up.  He’s gotta stop this, it’s obviously outrageous to do this to children.  Get them back to their parents and send them all back.  Does he think he’s going to get wall money or something by running with this?  If he doesn’t fix this today after the weekend of news about it I’m not sure I’m going to be able to suppprt him anymore.  I thought about it a lot this weekend and I can forgive stupid tweets but this is just inhumane. 
    Good to hear.
  • trees
    trees Columbus OHIO Posts: 2,072
    This is wrong and should of never happened,ever.


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    Sent to me by an FB friend:


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,103
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Well trump fucked this up.  He’s gotta stop this, it’s obviously outrageous to do this to children.  Get them back to their parents and send them all back.  Does he think he’s going to get wall money or something by running with this?  If he doesn’t fix this today after the weekend of news about it I’m not sure I’m going to be able to suppprt him anymore.  I thought about it a lot this weekend and I can forgive stupid tweets but this is just inhumane. 
    I commend you bro  i know its been a tough situation for all involved when  it comes to supporting this man , this situation has just been handle terribly , thanks for your honesty ...
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,103
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    lol hell yeah that's it that's what he's saying ...
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Apples and oranges then.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    unsung said:
    Apples and oranges then.
    Rotten fruit is rotten fruit.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    Apples and oranges then.
    Rotten fruit is rotten fruit.
    White nationalists are white supremacists.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    Criminals?  What law are they breaking?  Last I checked it wasn't illegal to seek asylum.  What are they gonna do, come here and "steal" the jobs no US citizen wants in the first place?  Be a tax "burden"?  This country fucking runs on Mexican labor; they've probably done exponentially more for our economy than the average white american could muster.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    dignin said:
    brianlux said:
    unsung said:
    Apples and oranges then.
    Rotten fruit is rotten fruit.
    White nationalists are white supremacists.
    Yes, and they're sickly fearful and in denial of the fact that they live in a world of many colors.  They live in fear, filled with an anger that has no meaning.  They are one endangered species that most of us will not miss. 
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,028
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    So are you saying the Jews were criminals like the border crossers?
    there is nothing criminal about border crossing. you've been duped again. 
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