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Growing population as in worker bees or as in consumers or both?PJ_Soul said:
As long as people want to continue clinging to capitalism as an economic structure, the population will have to keep growing, since capitalism only works when it has endless growth, and that's not possible without growing the population right along with it.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
hey brian, has there been any research as to the possibility of not only halting human-caused climate change, but is there any way to reverse it in any way?brianlux said:
No worries, cams- sorry if I misunderstood!camsjam said:I didn't mean to imply that your beliefs were wrong...I believe that humans are messing up the natural order of the world at an astonishing pace. I was just saying it is unreal that there are those who deny climate change exists.
It really is amazing that there are deniers still. I sometimes wonder if that's just a front because some people believe that if they say, "Yeah, climate is changing, the planet is warming," they think that somehow that makes them a traitor to their party or political philosophy. That's hugely unfortunate and ironic as the climate situation knows no political boundaries. I wish we could somehow leave left and right out of this one. It's like saying, well, I can't support the idea of preventing mass starvation because the other party thought of it first.I heard of several idea that help in small ways. For example, we just had a new roof put on our house and the shingles, though they look like regular roof shingles and don't look reflective, apparently do reflect light with intent of helping reduce global warming. Another roof related help is the trend in many cities to create roof gardens.Some of the global warming reversing schemes I've read about seem a bit far-fetched to me like sending up solar shields into space or building giant machines to "scrub" the air of carbon. I don't see how the huge cost, the amount of resources needed and the added pollution from building these things would make them feasible.My own thought is these more outlandish ideas are just another way humans in general believe we are more capable of keeping the earth in check than nature is. It makes more sense to me to keep working to lower human population and for all of us to learn to consume less, and follow the three r's: reduce, reuse, recycle. I think if we lower our impact on the environment and reduce natural resource consumption, nature will do just find establishing balances the way it has for eons.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Still both (for now... when the next great depression comes because of a failure to enact a workable universal income system and after technology wipes out half the jobs, get back to me, lol), but the consumer is King of course.brianlux said:
Growing population as in worker bees or as in consumers or both?PJ_Soul said:
As long as people want to continue clinging to capitalism as an economic structure, the population will have to keep growing, since capitalism only works when it has endless growth, and that's not possible without growing the population right along with it.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
hey brian, has there been any research as to the possibility of not only halting human-caused climate change, but is there any way to reverse it in any way?brianlux said:
No worries, cams- sorry if I misunderstood!camsjam said:I didn't mean to imply that your beliefs were wrong...I believe that humans are messing up the natural order of the world at an astonishing pace. I was just saying it is unreal that there are those who deny climate change exists.
It really is amazing that there are deniers still. I sometimes wonder if that's just a front because some people believe that if they say, "Yeah, climate is changing, the planet is warming," they think that somehow that makes them a traitor to their party or political philosophy. That's hugely unfortunate and ironic as the climate situation knows no political boundaries. I wish we could somehow leave left and right out of this one. It's like saying, well, I can't support the idea of preventing mass starvation because the other party thought of it first.I heard of several idea that help in small ways. For example, we just had a new roof put on our house and the shingles, though they look like regular roof shingles and don't look reflective, apparently do reflect light with intent of helping reduce global warming. Another roof related help is the trend in many cities to create roof gardens.Some of the global warming reversing schemes I've read about seem a bit far-fetched to me like sending up solar shields into space or building giant machines to "scrub" the air of carbon. I don't see how the huge cost, the amount of resources needed and the added pollution from building these things would make them feasible.My own thought is these more outlandish ideas are just another way humans in general believe we are more capable of keeping the earth in check than nature is. It makes more sense to me to keep working to lower human population and for all of us to learn to consume less, and follow the three r's: reduce, reuse, recycle. I think if we lower our impact on the environment and reduce natural resource consumption, nature will do just find establishing balances the way it has for eons.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:
Still both (for now... when the next great depression comes because of a failure to enact a workable universal income system and after technology wipes out half the jobs, get back to me, lol), but the consumer is King of course.brianlux said:
Growing population as in worker bees or as in consumers or both?PJ_Soul said:
As long as people want to continue clinging to capitalism as an economic structure, the population will have to keep growing, since capitalism only works when it has endless growth, and that's not possible without growing the population right along with it.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
hey brian, has there been any research as to the possibility of not only halting human-caused climate change, but is there any way to reverse it in any way?brianlux said:
No worries, cams- sorry if I misunderstood!camsjam said:I didn't mean to imply that your beliefs were wrong...I believe that humans are messing up the natural order of the world at an astonishing pace. I was just saying it is unreal that there are those who deny climate change exists.
It really is amazing that there are deniers still. I sometimes wonder if that's just a front because some people believe that if they say, "Yeah, climate is changing, the planet is warming," they think that somehow that makes them a traitor to their party or political philosophy. That's hugely unfortunate and ironic as the climate situation knows no political boundaries. I wish we could somehow leave left and right out of this one. It's like saying, well, I can't support the idea of preventing mass starvation because the other party thought of it first.I heard of several idea that help in small ways. For example, we just had a new roof put on our house and the shingles, though they look like regular roof shingles and don't look reflective, apparently do reflect light with intent of helping reduce global warming. Another roof related help is the trend in many cities to create roof gardens.Some of the global warming reversing schemes I've read about seem a bit far-fetched to me like sending up solar shields into space or building giant machines to "scrub" the air of carbon. I don't see how the huge cost, the amount of resources needed and the added pollution from building these things would make them feasible.My own thought is these more outlandish ideas are just another way humans in general believe we are more capable of keeping the earth in check than nature is. It makes more sense to me to keep working to lower human population and for all of us to learn to consume less, and follow the three r's: reduce, reuse, recycle. I think if we lower our impact on the environment and reduce natural resource consumption, nature will do just find establishing balances the way it has for eons.Yeah, I see what you mean.You know, I do have a feeling the next great depression will become a big thread topic here one day. It just seems inevitable, doesn't it?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Guaranteed Income intrigues me. The only problem I see with it ever taking any real foothold is the government will face intense pressure from public sector unions. With guaranteed income all those people working for various government agency that deal with the various social programs (CPP, OSA, Welfare, etc).PJ_Soul said:
Still both (for now... when the next great depression comes because of a failure to enact a workable universal income system and after technology wipes out half the jobs, get back to me, lol), but the consumer is King of course.brianlux said:
Growing population as in worker bees or as in consumers or both?PJ_Soul said:
As long as people want to continue clinging to capitalism as an economic structure, the population will have to keep growing, since capitalism only works when it has endless growth, and that's not possible without growing the population right along with it.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
hey brian, has there been any research as to the possibility of not only halting human-caused climate change, but is there any way to reverse it in any way?brianlux said:
No worries, cams- sorry if I misunderstood!camsjam said:I didn't mean to imply that your beliefs were wrong...I believe that humans are messing up the natural order of the world at an astonishing pace. I was just saying it is unreal that there are those who deny climate change exists.
It really is amazing that there are deniers still. I sometimes wonder if that's just a front because some people believe that if they say, "Yeah, climate is changing, the planet is warming," they think that somehow that makes them a traitor to their party or political philosophy. That's hugely unfortunate and ironic as the climate situation knows no political boundaries. I wish we could somehow leave left and right out of this one. It's like saying, well, I can't support the idea of preventing mass starvation because the other party thought of it first.I heard of several idea that help in small ways. For example, we just had a new roof put on our house and the shingles, though they look like regular roof shingles and don't look reflective, apparently do reflect light with intent of helping reduce global warming. Another roof related help is the trend in many cities to create roof gardens.Some of the global warming reversing schemes I've read about seem a bit far-fetched to me like sending up solar shields into space or building giant machines to "scrub" the air of carbon. I don't see how the huge cost, the amount of resources needed and the added pollution from building these things would make them feasible.My own thought is these more outlandish ideas are just another way humans in general believe we are more capable of keeping the earth in check than nature is. It makes more sense to me to keep working to lower human population and for all of us to learn to consume less, and follow the three r's: reduce, reuse, recycle. I think if we lower our impact on the environment and reduce natural resource consumption, nature will do just find establishing balances the way it has for eons.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Let's hope we can still afford an internet connection by then!brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:
Still both (for now... when the next great depression comes because of a failure to enact a workable universal income system and after technology wipes out half the jobs, get back to me, lol), but the consumer is King of course.brianlux said:
Growing population as in worker bees or as in consumers or both?PJ_Soul said:
As long as people want to continue clinging to capitalism as an economic structure, the population will have to keep growing, since capitalism only works when it has endless growth, and that's not possible without growing the population right along with it.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
hey brian, has there been any research as to the possibility of not only halting human-caused climate change, but is there any way to reverse it in any way?brianlux said:
No worries, cams- sorry if I misunderstood!camsjam said:I didn't mean to imply that your beliefs were wrong...I believe that humans are messing up the natural order of the world at an astonishing pace. I was just saying it is unreal that there are those who deny climate change exists.
It really is amazing that there are deniers still. I sometimes wonder if that's just a front because some people believe that if they say, "Yeah, climate is changing, the planet is warming," they think that somehow that makes them a traitor to their party or political philosophy. That's hugely unfortunate and ironic as the climate situation knows no political boundaries. I wish we could somehow leave left and right out of this one. It's like saying, well, I can't support the idea of preventing mass starvation because the other party thought of it first.I heard of several idea that help in small ways. For example, we just had a new roof put on our house and the shingles, though they look like regular roof shingles and don't look reflective, apparently do reflect light with intent of helping reduce global warming. Another roof related help is the trend in many cities to create roof gardens.Some of the global warming reversing schemes I've read about seem a bit far-fetched to me like sending up solar shields into space or building giant machines to "scrub" the air of carbon. I don't see how the huge cost, the amount of resources needed and the added pollution from building these things would make them feasible.My own thought is these more outlandish ideas are just another way humans in general believe we are more capable of keeping the earth in check than nature is. It makes more sense to me to keep working to lower human population and for all of us to learn to consume less, and follow the three r's: reduce, reuse, recycle. I think if we lower our impact on the environment and reduce natural resource consumption, nature will do just find establishing balances the way it has for eons.Yeah, I see what you mean.You know, I do have a feeling the next great depression will become a big thread topic here one day. It just seems inevitable, doesn't it?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Like everything else, it will be free when the commie pinko socialists take over.PJ_Soul said:
Let's hope we can still afford an internet connection by then!brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:
Still both (for now... when the next great depression comes because of a failure to enact a workable universal income system and after technology wipes out half the jobs, get back to me, lol), but the consumer is King of course.brianlux said:
Growing population as in worker bees or as in consumers or both?PJ_Soul said:
As long as people want to continue clinging to capitalism as an economic structure, the population will have to keep growing, since capitalism only works when it has endless growth, and that's not possible without growing the population right along with it.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
hey brian, has there been any research as to the possibility of not only halting human-caused climate change, but is there any way to reverse it in any way?brianlux said:
No worries, cams- sorry if I misunderstood!camsjam said:I didn't mean to imply that your beliefs were wrong...I believe that humans are messing up the natural order of the world at an astonishing pace. I was just saying it is unreal that there are those who deny climate change exists.
It really is amazing that there are deniers still. I sometimes wonder if that's just a front because some people believe that if they say, "Yeah, climate is changing, the planet is warming," they think that somehow that makes them a traitor to their party or political philosophy. That's hugely unfortunate and ironic as the climate situation knows no political boundaries. I wish we could somehow leave left and right out of this one. It's like saying, well, I can't support the idea of preventing mass starvation because the other party thought of it first.I heard of several idea that help in small ways. For example, we just had a new roof put on our house and the shingles, though they look like regular roof shingles and don't look reflective, apparently do reflect light with intent of helping reduce global warming. Another roof related help is the trend in many cities to create roof gardens.Some of the global warming reversing schemes I've read about seem a bit far-fetched to me like sending up solar shields into space or building giant machines to "scrub" the air of carbon. I don't see how the huge cost, the amount of resources needed and the added pollution from building these things would make them feasible.My own thought is these more outlandish ideas are just another way humans in general believe we are more capable of keeping the earth in check than nature is. It makes more sense to me to keep working to lower human population and for all of us to learn to consume less, and follow the three r's: reduce, reuse, recycle. I think if we lower our impact on the environment and reduce natural resource consumption, nature will do just find establishing balances the way it has for eons.Yeah, I see what you mean.You know, I do have a feeling the next great depression will become a big thread topic here one day. It just seems inevitable, doesn't it?
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
we just got free wifi on some city busses in winnipeg. .Moscowpeg.brianlux said:
Like everything else, it will be free when the commie pinko socialists take over.PJ_Soul said:
Let's hope we can still afford an internet connection by then!brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:
Still both (for now... when the next great depression comes because of a failure to enact a workable universal income system and after technology wipes out half the jobs, get back to me, lol), but the consumer is King of course.brianlux said:
Growing population as in worker bees or as in consumers or both?PJ_Soul said:
As long as people want to continue clinging to capitalism as an economic structure, the population will have to keep growing, since capitalism only works when it has endless growth, and that's not possible without growing the population right along with it.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
hey brian, has there been any research as to the possibility of not only halting human-caused climate change, but is there any way to reverse it in any way?brianlux said:
No worries, cams- sorry if I misunderstood!camsjam said:I didn't mean to imply that your beliefs were wrong...I believe that humans are messing up the natural order of the world at an astonishing pace. I was just saying it is unreal that there are those who deny climate change exists.
It really is amazing that there are deniers still. I sometimes wonder if that's just a front because some people believe that if they say, "Yeah, climate is changing, the planet is warming," they think that somehow that makes them a traitor to their party or political philosophy. That's hugely unfortunate and ironic as the climate situation knows no political boundaries. I wish we could somehow leave left and right out of this one. It's like saying, well, I can't support the idea of preventing mass starvation because the other party thought of it first.I heard of several idea that help in small ways. For example, we just had a new roof put on our house and the shingles, though they look like regular roof shingles and don't look reflective, apparently do reflect light with intent of helping reduce global warming. Another roof related help is the trend in many cities to create roof gardens.Some of the global warming reversing schemes I've read about seem a bit far-fetched to me like sending up solar shields into space or building giant machines to "scrub" the air of carbon. I don't see how the huge cost, the amount of resources needed and the added pollution from building these things would make them feasible.My own thought is these more outlandish ideas are just another way humans in general believe we are more capable of keeping the earth in check than nature is. It makes more sense to me to keep working to lower human population and for all of us to learn to consume less, and follow the three r's: reduce, reuse, recycle. I think if we lower our impact on the environment and reduce natural resource consumption, nature will do just find establishing balances the way it has for eons.Yeah, I see what you mean.You know, I do have a feeling the next great depression will become a big thread topic here one day. It just seems inevitable, doesn't it?
Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
we just got free wifi on some city busses in winnipeg. .Moscowpeg.brianlux said:
Like everything else, it will be free when the commie pinko socialists take over.PJ_Soul said:
Let's hope we can still afford an internet connection by then!brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:
Still both (for now... when the next great depression comes because of a failure to enact a workable universal income system and after technology wipes out half the jobs, get back to me, lol), but the consumer is King of course.brianlux said:
Growing population as in worker bees or as in consumers or both?PJ_Soul said:
As long as people want to continue clinging to capitalism as an economic structure, the population will have to keep growing, since capitalism only works when it has endless growth, and that's not possible without growing the population right along with it.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
hey brian, has there been any research as to the possibility of not only halting human-caused climate change, but is there any way to reverse it in any way?brianlux said:
No worries, cams- sorry if I misunderstood!camsjam said:I didn't mean to imply that your beliefs were wrong...I believe that humans are messing up the natural order of the world at an astonishing pace. I was just saying it is unreal that there are those who deny climate change exists.
It really is amazing that there are deniers still. I sometimes wonder if that's just a front because some people believe that if they say, "Yeah, climate is changing, the planet is warming," they think that somehow that makes them a traitor to their party or political philosophy. That's hugely unfortunate and ironic as the climate situation knows no political boundaries. I wish we could somehow leave left and right out of this one. It's like saying, well, I can't support the idea of preventing mass starvation because the other party thought of it first.I heard of several idea that help in small ways. For example, we just had a new roof put on our house and the shingles, though they look like regular roof shingles and don't look reflective, apparently do reflect light with intent of helping reduce global warming. Another roof related help is the trend in many cities to create roof gardens.Some of the global warming reversing schemes I've read about seem a bit far-fetched to me like sending up solar shields into space or building giant machines to "scrub" the air of carbon. I don't see how the huge cost, the amount of resources needed and the added pollution from building these things would make them feasible.My own thought is these more outlandish ideas are just another way humans in general believe we are more capable of keeping the earth in check than nature is. It makes more sense to me to keep working to lower human population and for all of us to learn to consume less, and follow the three r's: reduce, reuse, recycle. I think if we lower our impact on the environment and reduce natural resource consumption, nature will do just find establishing balances the way it has for eons.Yeah, I see what you mean.You know, I do have a feeling the next great depression will become a big thread topic here one day. It just seems inevitable, doesn't it?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?"What should, however, rattle investors even more is the second part of that sentence in which Musk admits “profit is obviously not what motivates us.” Now, to the fanboys who idolize the ex-PayPal-er, “what drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy” might seem like the kind of idealism that should trump fiscal pragmatism, but for the investors that have funded Tesla lo these last 15 years, such disregard for their investments must seem just a tad cavalier."The writer of this article (more like an op ed) takes the typical capitalist viewpoint that without profit as the main motive, what's the point of doing it? Well, umm, the point is that with a wrecked planet, driving becomes a moot point."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Well said Brian. My problem is the company thrives off subsidies from taxpayers. I am 100% opposed to tax dollars proping up business. Everyone is becoming to dependent on government. Believe it or not their was a time business thrived on their own and built communities and supported with their money.brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?"What should, however, rattle investors even more is the second part of that sentence in which Musk admits “profit is obviously not what motivates us.” Now, to the fanboys who idolize the ex-PayPal-er, “what drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy” might seem like the kind of idealism that should trump fiscal pragmatism, but for the investors that have funded Tesla lo these last 15 years, such disregard for their investments must seem just a tad cavalier."The writer of this article (more like an op ed) takes the typical capitalist viewpoint that without profit as the main motive, what's the point of doing it? Well, umm, the point is that with a wrecked planet, driving becomes a moot point.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Agreed.brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?"What should, however, rattle investors even more is the second part of that sentence in which Musk admits “profit is obviously not what motivates us.” Now, to the fanboys who idolize the ex-PayPal-er, “what drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy” might seem like the kind of idealism that should trump fiscal pragmatism, but for the investors that have funded Tesla lo these last 15 years, such disregard for their investments must seem just a tad cavalier."The writer of this article (more like an op ed) takes the typical capitalist viewpoint that without profit as the main motive, what's the point of doing it? Well, umm, the point is that with a wrecked planet, driving becomes a moot point.
I haven't followed the Tesla story very closely. Has Musk always been up front about the fact that profit isn't what he's most interested in (and I'm sure this is an "easy for him to say" situation, as he's already rich). If he's been clear on his aims then investors really have no argument. And for god's sake, I would hope that some people at least are investing in areas with the primary goal of improving the planet, not worsening it.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
oftenreading said:
Agreed.brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?"What should, however, rattle investors even more is the second part of that sentence in which Musk admits “profit is obviously not what motivates us.” Now, to the fanboys who idolize the ex-PayPal-er, “what drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy” might seem like the kind of idealism that should trump fiscal pragmatism, but for the investors that have funded Tesla lo these last 15 years, such disregard for their investments must seem just a tad cavalier."The writer of this article (more like an op ed) takes the typical capitalist viewpoint that without profit as the main motive, what's the point of doing it? Well, umm, the point is that with a wrecked planet, driving becomes a moot point.
I haven't followed the Tesla story very closely. Has Musk always been up front about the fact that profit isn't what he's most interested in (and I'm sure this is an "easy for him to say" situation, as he's already rich). If he's been clear on his aims then investors really have no argument. And for god's sake, I would hope that some people at least are investing in areas with the primary goal of improving the planet, not worsening it.I agree. We don't have a lot of money to invest but we so have a little money in Green Century Funds.
I somewhat agree, Meltdown, though I'm WAY more concerned with subsidies for big agra business and big pharma and such than for subsidies for electric cars.Meltdown99 said:
Well said Brian. My problem is the company thrives off subsidies from taxpayers. I am 100% opposed to tax dollars proping up business. Everyone is becoming to dependent on government. Believe it or not their was a time business thrived on their own and built communities and supported with their money.brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?"What should, however, rattle investors even more is the second part of that sentence in which Musk admits “profit is obviously not what motivates us.” Now, to the fanboys who idolize the ex-PayPal-er, “what drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy” might seem like the kind of idealism that should trump fiscal pragmatism, but for the investors that have funded Tesla lo these last 15 years, such disregard for their investments must seem just a tad cavalier."The writer of this article (more like an op ed) takes the typical capitalist viewpoint that without profit as the main motive, what's the point of doing it? Well, umm, the point is that with a wrecked planet, driving becomes a moot point.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
His company thrives on subsidies no moreso than any fossil fuel company.Meltdown99 said:
Well said Brian. My problem is the company thrives off subsidies from taxpayers. I am 100% opposed to tax dollars proping up business. Everyone is becoming to dependent on government. Believe it or not their was a time business thrived on their own and built communities and supported with their money.brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?"What should, however, rattle investors even more is the second part of that sentence in which Musk admits “profit is obviously not what motivates us.” Now, to the fanboys who idolize the ex-PayPal-er, “what drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy” might seem like the kind of idealism that should trump fiscal pragmatism, but for the investors that have funded Tesla lo these last 15 years, such disregard for their investments must seem just a tad cavalier."The writer of this article (more like an op ed) takes the typical capitalist viewpoint that without profit as the main motive, what's the point of doing it? Well, umm, the point is that with a wrecked planet, driving becomes a moot point.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Do you even fucking read. I stated I am opposed to all government subsidies to ANY fucking business. Not hard to hard to understand.rgambs said:
His company thrives on subsidies no moreso than any fossil fuel company.Meltdown99 said:
Well said Brian. My problem is the company thrives off subsidies from taxpayers. I am 100% opposed to tax dollars proping up business. Everyone is becoming to dependent on government. Believe it or not their was a time business thrived on their own and built communities and supported with their money.brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?"What should, however, rattle investors even more is the second part of that sentence in which Musk admits “profit is obviously not what motivates us.” Now, to the fanboys who idolize the ex-PayPal-er, “what drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy” might seem like the kind of idealism that should trump fiscal pragmatism, but for the investors that have funded Tesla lo these last 15 years, such disregard for their investments must seem just a tad cavalier."The writer of this article (more like an op ed) takes the typical capitalist viewpoint that without profit as the main motive, what's the point of doing it? Well, umm, the point is that with a wrecked planet, driving becomes a moot point.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I do have trouble discerning people's intended meanings to the things they say when the grammar is poor. Makes it hard to hard to understand.Meltdown99 said:
Do you even fucking read. I stated I am opposed to all government subsidies to ANY fucking business. Not hard to hard to understand.rgambs said:
His company thrives on subsidies no moreso than any fossil fuel company.Meltdown99 said:
Well said Brian. My problem is the company thrives off subsidies from taxpayers. I am 100% opposed to tax dollars proping up business. Everyone is becoming to dependent on government. Believe it or not their was a time business thrived on their own and built communities and supported with their money.brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:Motor Mouth: Tesla layoffs another sign of impending doom
http://driving.ca/cadillac/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-tesla-layoffs-another-sign-of-impending-doom
What would happen to Tesla without the BS government incentives?"What should, however, rattle investors even more is the second part of that sentence in which Musk admits “profit is obviously not what motivates us.” Now, to the fanboys who idolize the ex-PayPal-er, “what drives us is our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable, clean energy” might seem like the kind of idealism that should trump fiscal pragmatism, but for the investors that have funded Tesla lo these last 15 years, such disregard for their investments must seem just a tad cavalier."The writer of this article (more like an op ed) takes the typical capitalist viewpoint that without profit as the main motive, what's the point of doing it? Well, umm, the point is that with a wrecked planet, driving becomes a moot point.
Energy subsidies go all the way back to 1789 in America bud. There never was a time or place when businesses thrived on their own with the community without protection, arbitration, and financial support from government.
That's a neoconservative fantasy.
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Jesus H! This place gets might rough sometimes!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I agree with you Brian, the made for TV solutions to carbon emissions and runaway warming are not going to save us, only fundamental civilization change will do it.
So it won't get done lol
Not funny though, because I think we are on a runaway train headed down a mountain and there's no stopping. We can only hope to crash and die before we destroy the planet for our species.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Yeah, sad but true. I think the best we can hope for is a diminished crash and enough survivors for a viable species. I'm actually oprimistic that way.rgambs said:I agree with you Brian, the made for TV solutions to carbon emissions and runaway warming are not going to save us, only fundamental civilization change will do it.
So it won't get done lol
Not funny though, because I think we are on a runaway train headed down a mountain and there's no stopping. We can only hope to crash and die before we destroy the planet for our species.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Yeah, humans are pretty smart, if we don't nuke the planet to toast I think humanity will continue for a few million more years in some form or another.brianlux said:
Yeah, sad but true. I think the best we can hope for is a diminished crash and enough survivors for a viable species. I'm actually oprimistic that way.rgambs said:I agree with you Brian, the made for TV solutions to carbon emissions and runaway warming are not going to save us, only fundamental civilization change will do it.
So it won't get done lol
Not funny though, because I think we are on a runaway train headed down a mountain and there's no stopping. We can only hope to crash and die before we destroy the planet for our species.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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