We must have a better system to deal with 10c ticket exchanges / refunds

bertan · June 2018

PJ_Soul said:
I agree with you, but FWIW, the concern people have with these kinds of options is that members will just enter for tickets willy nilly, whether they really plan to go or not, just to leave the option open for themselves, just in case. That would lead to fewer fans who really do plan to go to the shows with fewer chances to get the tix they want in the lottery. My own solution to that problem is to limit people to a certain number of shows in the first lottery, and then they can just get on the waitlists after they reach their limit.... I know that idea would anger some of the die hards who want to be able to enter for every single show, but hey, whatcha gonna do? These are all just personal opinions!

Yeah I totally understand that point of view. But at least give the fans a chance to return one or two pairs of tickets. I mean if you buy 8 pairs of tickets and allowed to return only 2 of them, you still have 6 pairs of tickets on your hands. You would definitely think twice before buying 6 pairs, it's not like you buy 8 pairs and return 7 of them. Like you said, these are personal opinions, but I believe there's a solution out there that doesn't cause 10C lots of trouble, and is more considerate of the fans and their personal emergencies....

lolobugg said:
Well, you can always hold this over the wife..... i loved you so much that i missed PJ for you.
now we have to go see them in...............

If this is not a solid foundation for a marriage, I don't know what is...

on2legs · June 2018

bertan said:

lolobugg said:

bertan said:

I understand the concerns with members exploiting the system, but I still haven't heard anything against the waiting list solution. Wouldn't that prevent exploits since you pass your ticket to the 10C, and 10C e-mails the next person in line waiting for a ticket. You don't know who that is, you can't have any financial gain from it. And if there's no one waiting (which would be rare), than yeah, you would still have to pay for the tickets.

Another solution would be putting a limit on ticket exchanges/refunds, for example every member would be able to opt out of only one pair of tickets for every tour. Like I got 2 pairs of tickets for this tour, I would only be able to return one pair. Which is still not great but I would call it fair. And again, much more considerate than our current system.

dude. i think you just need to re-schedule the wedding.
you can get married anytime. you can't see PJ just any time.
i am a huge college football fan and in the South we literally schedule shit like baby showers/weddings etc. around the big games. sad but true.

LOL I know... And the worse thing is Alice in Chains and Foo Fighters are playing in London on the same week. It was gonna be an amazing week, I was trying to score tickets to those as well when I realized there's no other week available for the wedding.

You are clearly not a real PJ fan if you’re skipping the shows just to get married.

PJ_Soul · June 2018

bertan said:

PJ_Soul said:
I agree with you, but FWIW, the concern people have with these kinds of options is that members will just enter for tickets willy nilly, whether they really plan to go or not, just to leave the option open for themselves, just in case. That would lead to fewer fans who really do plan to go to the shows with fewer chances to get the tix they want in the lottery. My own solution to that problem is to limit people to a certain number of shows in the first lottery, and then they can just get on the waitlists after they reach their limit.... I know that idea would anger some of the die hards who want to be able to enter for every single show, but hey, whatcha gonna do? These are all just personal opinions!
Yeah I totally understand that point of view. But at least give the fans a chance to return one or two pairs of tickets. I mean if you buy 8 pairs of tickets and allowed to return only 2 of them, you still have 6 pairs of tickets on your hands. You would definitely think twice before buying 6 pairs, it's not like you buy 8 pairs and return 7 of them. Like you said, these are personal opinions, but I believe there's a solution out there that doesn't cause 10C lots of trouble, and is more considerate of the fans and their personal emergencies....

That's a good idea.

drakeheuer14 · June 2018

If they sold the option of insurance with the tickets like the “kind” people at ticketmaster, then they could make more money (maybe to charity?) and no one could be upset because they had the option to protect themselves.

How that would work with a lottery, I dont know.

PJ_Soul · June 2018

drakeheuer14 said:

If they sold the option of insurance with the tickets like the “kind” people at ticketmaster, then they could make more money (maybe to charity?) and no one could be upset because they had the option to protect themselves.

How that would work with a lottery, I dont know.

Also a good idea.
I figure the lottery wouldn't impact that at all - people could just choose to pay the insurance on any ticket they won.

MayDay10 · June 2018

If people had a refund option, it would swing the door wider to over-buy with multiple accounts and ticket buddies. The ticket draw was saturated as it was. The only transfer 1 electronic ticket likely helped.

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

on2legs · June 2018

drakeheuer14 said:

If they sold the option of insurance with the tickets like the “kind” people at ticketmaster, then they could make more money (maybe to charity?) and no one could be upset because they had the option to protect themselves.

How that would work with a lottery, I dont know.

But that would still encourage people to put in for tickets that they may not use.

Change is bad. Just leave it the way it is!

PJ_Soul · June 2018

on2legs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

If they sold the option of insurance with the tickets like the “kind” people at ticketmaster, then they could make more money (maybe to charity?) and no one could be upset because they had the option to protect themselves.

How that would work with a lottery, I dont know.

But that would still encourage people to put in for tickets that they may not use.

Change is bad. Just leave it the way it is!

This is why I actually favour limiting how many shows people can enter for.

drakeheuer14 · June 2018

PJ_Soul said:

on2legs said:

drakeheuer14 said:

If they sold the option of insurance with the tickets like the “kind” people at ticketmaster, then they could make more money (maybe to charity?) and no one could be upset because they had the option to protect themselves.

How that would work with a lottery, I dont know.

But that would still encourage people to put in for tickets that they may not use.

Change is bad. Just leave it the way it is!

This is why I actually favour limiting how many shows people can enter for.

Yeah I think if change is made, that has to be involved.

D-Rod · June 2018

MayDay10 said:

If people had a refund option, it would swing the door wider to over-buy with multiple accounts and ticket buddies. The ticket draw was saturated as it was. The only transfer 1 electronic ticket likely helped.

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

Exactly

vedderman42 · June 2018

I love the intent behind this...”life happens, I can’t make the show.” I totally understand it and it sucks.

BUT...can you all imagine what would happen if the 10C didn’t have this policy? You think the lottery is tough now. Imagine thousands of 10c members entering for shows that “they think they could go to.” It would be chaos and we all would suffer...not just the few that have unfortunate life situations.

bertan · June 2018

MayDay10 said:

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

Sorry, I could not understand what you mean here. Could you explain in a little more detail please?

MayDay10 · June 2018

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

Sorry, I could not understand what you mean here. Could you explain in a little more detail please?

People who don't score 10c seats typically buy tickets from Ticketmaster immediately after.

bertan · June 2018

vedderman42 said:

I love the intent behind this...”life happens, I can’t make the show.” I totally understand it and it sucks.

BUT...can you all imagine what would happen if the 10C didn’t have this policy? You think the lottery is tough now. Imagine thousands of 10c members entering for shows that “they think they could go to.” It would be chaos and we all would suffer...not just the few that have unfortunate life situations.

I think being able to exchange/return 1 or 2 pairs of tickets for every tour is not asking too much. Yes it would make lottery slightly tougher, but I don't believe it would change the odds that much. I also like the insurance idea mentioned a few posts earlier.

Another option is you get to return a pair of tickets, but get refund for only one ticket. That might discourage over-buying.

bertan · June 2018

MayDay10 said:

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

Sorry, I could not understand what you mean here. Could you explain in a little more detail please?

People who don't score 10c seats typically buy tickets from Ticketmaster immediately after.

But those sell out in 5 minutes and many people are left without tickets. Otherwise we wouldn't have tons of "tickets wanted" posts in the forums. There's always gonna be demand for PJ tickets, those waiting lists won't be empty.

PJ_Soul · June 2018

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

Sorry, I could not understand what you mean here. Could you explain in a little more detail please?

People who don't score 10c seats typically buy tickets from Ticketmaster immediately after.

But those sell out in 5 minutes and many people are left without tickets. Otherwise we wouldn't have tons of "tickets wanted" posts in the forums. There's always gonna be demand for PJ tickets, those waiting lists won't be empty.

Right. It's not like people would be stuck on waiting lists. If they get on the list and then find tix elsewhere, they could just remove their names from the waitlist, right?

bertan · June 2018

PJ_Soul said:

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

Sorry, I could not understand what you mean here. Could you explain in a little more detail please?

People who don't score 10c seats typically buy tickets from Ticketmaster immediately after.

But those sell out in 5 minutes and many people are left without tickets. Otherwise we wouldn't have tons of "tickets wanted" posts in the forums. There's always gonna be demand for PJ tickets, those waiting lists won't be empty.

Right. It's not like people would be stuck on waiting lists. If they get on the list and then find tix elsewhere, they could just remove their names from the waitlist, right?

Exactly. I don't see the problem with that system, maybe I'm missing something.

PJ_Soul · June 2018

bertan said:

PJ_Soul said:

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

Sorry, I could not understand what you mean here. Could you explain in a little more detail please?

People who don't score 10c seats typically buy tickets from Ticketmaster immediately after.

But those sell out in 5 minutes and many people are left without tickets. Otherwise we wouldn't have tons of "tickets wanted" posts in the forums. There's always gonna be demand for PJ tickets, those waiting lists won't be empty.

Right. It's not like people would be stuck on waiting lists. If they get on the list and then find tix elsewhere, they could just remove their names from the waitlist, right?

Exactly. I don't see the problem with that system, maybe I'm missing something.

You're not. I think you're just underestimating the concern that some people have when it comes to people basically panic buying in order to guarantee that they get tix. So say someone gets on the waitlist, and then they also go to the public in case the waitlist doesn't come through for them. Then they score the TM tix, but stay on the waitlist and get 10C tix too, and then give their spares to friends or maybe scalp the TM ones or trade them for another show on the tour. That means that a 10C member could have scored those spare tickets in the sale, but didn't because the person who got two pairs "stole" theirs. I think that's the basic premise, and variations of that kind of thing is always what keeps people from wanting any change with the 10C ticketing process I think. Someone please correct me if I'm off base.

Lost In Ohio · June 2018

Horse2345 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

chime said:

At this time US shows were all seated, no lottery so totally seniority based.

Did I just read this?

I really hope I'm misinterpreting this.

You are, "at this time" was referring to that time in the past when there was no ga. Now there is ga

The lotto has messed with senority in the fact that people can join today and be up close. This is kind of a win because it gets people up front who are excited for Alive and Betterman. When the band plays those old classics, they're not playing to rows and rows of empty seats because someone has heard that song ten nights out of the past 25 and has heard that song 250 out of 275 shows they've been to.

Some people think that they were "guaranteed" tickets before the lotto system came into place. This was never the case. More shows and fewer fans in 98, 03, whenever made it seem like people were guaranteed 10C tickets, but this was never the case.

The lotto is unrelated to seniority. Seniority only applies to seat assignment, not who gets tickets.

bertan · June 2018

PJ_Soul said:

bertan said:

PJ_Soul said:

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

bertan said:

MayDay10 said:

Then you got this "wait list".. do those people just sit there? Flood the public on sales market? What happens when those suddenly become extra tickets?

Sorry, I could not understand what you mean here. Could you explain in a little more detail please?

People who don't score 10c seats typically buy tickets from Ticketmaster immediately after.

But those sell out in 5 minutes and many people are left without tickets. Otherwise we wouldn't have tons of "tickets wanted" posts in the forums. There's always gonna be demand for PJ tickets, those waiting lists won't be empty.

Right. It's not like people would be stuck on waiting lists. If they get on the list and then find tix elsewhere, they could just remove their names from the waitlist, right?

Exactly. I don't see the problem with that system, maybe I'm missing something.

You're not. I think you're just underestimating the concern that some people have when it comes to people basically panic buying in order to guarantee that they get tix. So say someone gets on the waitlist, and then they also go to the public in case the waitlist doesn't come through for them. Then they score the TM tix, but stay on the waitlist and get 10C tix too, and then give their spares to friends or maybe scalp the TM ones or trade them for another show on the tour. That means that a 10C member could have scored those spare tickets in the sale, but didn't because the person who got two pairs "stole" theirs. I think that's the basic premise, and variations of that kind of thing is always what keeps people from wanting any change with the 10C ticketing process I think. Someone please correct me if I'm off base.

Thank you, I see your point now. I guess a counter argument would be that, they could do the exact same thing with the regular sale. They could get in the lottery and score multiple tickets. Then if they manage to buy some more tickets from TM, they could scalp the spares. The waitlist does not change much in that sense. You either get in the lottery and wait, or get in the waitlist and wait.

We must have a better system to deal with 10c ticket exchanges / refunds

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