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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    mcgruff10 said:
    dankind said:
    Scruffy is stupid for not liking Riot Act

    There, I said it. 
    Definitely some great songs in there but the majority are terrible. You are is the absolute worst pj song ever made. I d take a 49 minute version of Sweet Lew over that song. 
    Beyond stupid. 
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    Yeah lay off me already! I hurled a few insults but that seems pretty much commonplace around here.  Jose personally attacks me and brings my restaurants and pizza stuff to every thread i post in for god sakes but I don’t even reply!  Sorry Ally, I just got possed that you attacked me for a bunch of stuff you thought I said... like I said, it was basically like you were so excited to rant at me since I voted for trump that you just assumed I hated trans people or something.  Not all trump supporters see the guy as a saint and believe everything he says.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,595
    Yeah lay off me already! I hurled a few insults but that seems pretty much commonplace around here.  Jose personally attacks me and brings my restaurants and pizza stuff to every thread i post in for god sakes but I don’t even reply!  Sorry Ally, I just got possed that you attacked me for a bunch of stuff you thought I said... like I said, it was basically like you were so excited to rant at me since I voted for trump that you just assumed I hated trans people or something.  Not all trump supporters see the guy as a saint and believe everything he says.
    Ok you are correct I have to apologize here for my behavior I’ll stay off your business it was wrong , it feels good to admit fault if only the man you voted for could show the same ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    mcgruff10 said:
    dankind said:
    Scruffy is stupid for not liking Riot Act

    There, I said it. 
    Definitely some great songs in there but the majority are terrible. You are is the absolute worst pj song ever made. I d take a 49 minute version of Sweet Lew over that song. 
    I think that’s even generous.
    I wouldn’t call any of them “great,” especially compared to what we know they can do.
    A lot of average songs with a couple of turds thrown in.
    Agree with You Are.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,402
    Stumbled across this today and thought it was quite relevant to this topic. These numbers are amazing for only 1 quarter of the year.

    A total of 57,820 known or suspected aliens were in DOJ custody for a range of offenses at the end of the first quarter of Fiscal Year 2018 (FY18) (see Figure 1). Of those, 34,834 were confirmed aliens with orders of removal, 15,536 were still under investigation by ICE to determine alienage, 4,410 were aliens who were illegally present and undergoing removal proceedings, and 2,871 were legally present and undergoing removal proceedings. A total of 169 aliens in DOJ custody had been granted relief or protection from removal.

    Approximately 46 percent (17,621) of known or suspected aliens in BOP custody had committed 
    drug trafficking or other drug-related offenses (such as conspiracy to commit drug trafficking 
    offenses, or smuggling large amounts of drugs on the high seas) as their primary offense, making it the most common type of offense. Of the 17,621 known or suspected aliens in BOP custody with a drug offense as their primary offense, only 107 (approximately one half of one percent) had a primary offense of simple possession—and many of these were traffickers who were caught with significant amounts of drugs but were convicted of lesser offenses as a result of 
    circumstances such as plea bargains.

    Approximately 29 percent (10,912) of known or suspected aliens in BOP custody had committed 
    immigration offenses (such as illegal reentry after deportation or human trafficking) as their primary offense. The third-largest category (approximately eight percent, or 3,161 individuals) of known or suspected aliens in BOP custody were those categorized as “Other,” which is composed primarily of individuals awaiting trial. Drug trafficking-related and immigration offenses were the most common primary offenses associated with those in the “Other” category.

    -  It cost the USMS more than $134 million to house known or suspected aliens during the first quarter of FY18

    They even list examples of the "bad hombres" who have been arrested and charged. Only the worst of the worst:

    - Anibel Rondolpho Rodriguez (E.D.N.Y.), an illegal alien from Honduras, who was residing in Freeport, New York, was sentenced to 45 years in prison after he pled guilty to racketeering charges including two murder conspiracies, two attempted murders, and 
    threatening to commit assault. 
    o On August 9, 2012, Rodriguez, a member of Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), agreed with two co-conspirators to kill M. P., who was associated with the Zulu Nation gang. The Zulu Nation had an ongoing dispute with members of the Hempstead Locos Salvatruchas, a clique of MS-13. While the defendant was talking to the victim, a co-conspirator fatally shot the victim three times with a 9 mm handgun. 
    o On October 6, 2013, the defendant and six co-defendants confronted J. I. R.-L. about his suspected membership in a rival gang. The defendant and his co-conspirators decided to kill R.-L. and R.-L.’s friend, who was a potential witness. R.-L. was fatally stabbed more than two dozen times, and his friend was stabbed 18 times but survived. 
    o On September 14, 2013, the defendant with other MS-13 gang members confronted John Doe and another individual whom they believed were members of a rival Bloods street gang. The defendant grabbed a baseball bat and struck John Doe. Others also struck John Doe with a wooden board, stabbed him with a screwdriver, and punched and kicked him. John Doe survived. 
    o On October 6, 2013, the defendant and other MS-13 gang members approached John Doe 2 and asked him whether he was a gang member, questioning him about a tattoo on his arm. When John Doe 2 denied gang membership and tried to walk away, he was stabbed and kicked by the defendant and his MS-13 gang friends.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1069281/download
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Yeah lay off me already! I hurled a few insults but that seems pretty much commonplace around here.  Jose personally attacks me and brings my restaurants and pizza stuff to every thread i post in for god sakes but I don’t even reply!  Sorry Ally, I just got possed that you attacked me for a bunch of stuff you thought I said... like I said, it was basically like you were so excited to rant at me since I voted for trump that you just assumed I hated trans people or something.  Not all trump supporters see the guy as a saint and believe everything he says.
    Honesty... I don't agree with 'some' of your ideology; however, I do think the person posting as Rolemodelsinblood is a decent human being (one I could certainly get along with easily if together).

    I hope your restaurants do very well. I truly do.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Just watched Sessions & Sarah Huckabee Sanders refer to the bible to justify the policy of separating children from their parents

    Fucking scumbag losers
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,595
    https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/586BE35C-701F-11E8-ACFE-65472840D29D
    Fuck the Bible you blithering racist idiot I hope you choke on your Father’s Day dinner !!!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    tbergs said:
    Stumbled across this today and thought it was quite relevant to this topic. These numbers are amazing for only 1 quarter of the year.

    A total of 57,820 known or suspected aliens were in DOJ custody for a range of offenses at the end of the first quarter of Fiscal Year 2018 (FY18) (see Figure 1). Of those, 34,834 were confirmed aliens with orders of removal, 15,536 were still under investigation by ICE to determine alienage, 4,410 were aliens who were illegally present and undergoing removal proceedings, and 2,871 were legally present and undergoing removal proceedings. A total of 169 aliens in DOJ custody had been granted relief or protection from removal.

    Approximately 46 percent (17,621) of known or suspected aliens in BOP custody had committed 
    drug trafficking or other drug-related offenses (such as conspiracy to commit drug trafficking 
    offenses, or smuggling large amounts of drugs on the high seas) as their primary offense, making it the most common type of offense. Of the 17,621 known or suspected aliens in BOP custody with a drug offense as their primary offense, only 107 (approximately one half of one percent) had a primary offense of simple possession—and many of these were traffickers who were caught with significant amounts of drugs but were convicted of lesser offenses as a result of 
    circumstances such as plea bargains.

    Approximately 29 percent (10,912) of known or suspected aliens in BOP custody had committed 
    immigration offenses (such as illegal reentry after deportation or human trafficking) as their primary offense. The third-largest category (approximately eight percent, or 3,161 individuals) of known or suspected aliens in BOP custody were those categorized as “Other,” which is composed primarily of individuals awaiting trial. Drug trafficking-related and immigration offenses were the most common primary offenses associated with those in the “Other” category.

    -  It cost the USMS more than $134 million to house known or suspected aliens during the first quarter of FY18

    They even list examples of the "bad hombres" who have been arrested and charged. Only the worst of the worst:

    - Anibel Rondolpho Rodriguez (E.D.N.Y.), an illegal alien from Honduras, who was residing in Freeport, New York, was sentenced to 45 years in prison after he pled guilty to racketeering charges including two murder conspiracies, two attempted murders, and 
    threatening to commit assault. 
    o On August 9, 2012, Rodriguez, a member of Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), agreed with two co-conspirators to kill M. P., who was associated with the Zulu Nation gang. The Zulu Nation had an ongoing dispute with members of the Hempstead Locos Salvatruchas, a clique of MS-13. While the defendant was talking to the victim, a co-conspirator fatally shot the victim three times with a 9 mm handgun. 
    o On October 6, 2013, the defendant and six co-defendants confronted J. I. R.-L. about his suspected membership in a rival gang. The defendant and his co-conspirators decided to kill R.-L. and R.-L.’s friend, who was a potential witness. R.-L. was fatally stabbed more than two dozen times, and his friend was stabbed 18 times but survived. 
    o On September 14, 2013, the defendant with other MS-13 gang members confronted John Doe and another individual whom they believed were members of a rival Bloods street gang. The defendant grabbed a baseball bat and struck John Doe. Others also struck John Doe with a wooden board, stabbed him with a screwdriver, and punched and kicked him. John Doe survived. 
    o On October 6, 2013, the defendant and other MS-13 gang members approached John Doe 2 and asked him whether he was a gang member, questioning him about a tattoo on his arm. When John Doe 2 denied gang membership and tried to walk away, he was stabbed and kicked by the defendant and his MS-13 gang friends.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1069281/download
    Those are some bad hombres.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    This weekend they found a truck with 55 people in the back being trafficked into the US abandoned in San Antonio.

    luckily this time the cartel was nice enough to provide water and AC so they didn’t stew in there.

    hey Jose- someone must have read your post on here to me about pizza:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/man-delivers-pizza-to-immigrants-found-in-semi-truck-in-san-antonio/
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,595
    This weekend they found a truck with 55 people in the back being trafficked into the US abandoned in San Antonio.

    luckily this time the cartel was nice enough to provide water and AC so they didn’t stew in there.

    hey Jose- someone must have read your post on here to me about pizza:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/man-delivers-pizza-to-immigrants-found-in-semi-truck-in-san-antonio/
    Nice man right there no need to treat immigrants as if they are not human like the man you voted for is doing the exact opposite and to top it off they are treating children like they are unsold stuffed animals , I apolo
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,595
    I apologized to you but I’ll never see eye to eye on this administration or this president with you they are disgusting humans and you voted for the biggest culprit..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    I apologized to you but I’ll never see eye to eye on this administration or this president with you they are disgusting humans and you voted for the biggest culprit..
    Hey I think a lot of people need to realize that because you voted for someone doesn’t mean you’re guilty of all the shit that elected person does.  Stop taking your anger out on his supporters when they’re not pulling kids away from their parents or any of the other horrible things that happen around the country from either side.  It’s common sense. The broad brush you paint us all with us exactly the reason he got elected.  Conservatives got tired of being called vile names and racist and all that stuff and voted with a middle finger back at that hate.  

    I laugh because being in amt on this forum is like being at a cocktail party where tons of folks are half in the bag and saying shit they wouldn’t normally say in public- they’re talking shit about black people for example when they’re over there standing in the same room!  Just because the folks you despise aren’t posting doesn’t mean they’re not there helping themselves to some of the same buffet.  I guess what I’m saying is glass house kind of stuff- calling people classless but in the same breath saying something classless doesnt make yourself look too classy.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I apologized to you but I’ll never see eye to eye on this administration or this president with you they are disgusting humans and you voted for the biggest culprit..
    Hey I think a lot of people need to realize that because you voted for someone doesn’t mean you’re guilty of all the shit that elected person does.  Stop taking your anger out on his supporters when they’re not pulling kids away from their parents or any of the other horrible things that happen around the country from either side.  It’s common sense. The broad brush you paint us all with us exactly the reason he got elected.  Conservatives got tired of being called vile names and racist and all that stuff and voted with a middle finger back at that hate.  

    I laugh because being in amt on this forum is like being at a cocktail party where tons of folks are half in the bag and saying shit they wouldn’t normally say in public- they’re talking shit about black people for example when they’re over there standing in the same room!  Just because the folks you despise aren’t posting doesn’t mean they’re not there helping themselves to some of the same buffet.  I guess what I’m saying is glass house kind of stuff- calling people classless but in the same breath saying something classless doesnt make yourself look too classy.
    people keep saying "this is exactly why trump won". No it isn't. I get tired of this "we banded together and kicked your ass" mentality. the pendulum always swings the other way. after 8 years of one party, always, or almost always, swing voters 'want a change" and vote the other way. the only reason Trump won the nomination is because he is a vile human being and catered to the lowest common denominator, vindicating their hate and bigotry and childishness along the way. he emboldended the right (wrong) people and got them out to vote. 

    some will always vote republican. 
    some will always vote democrat.
    the rest vote what affects them personally, thinking that somehow magically one party is going to change everything for them. 

    this "liberal hate" I keep reading about is a fallacy. there is no such thing. liberals are just sick and tired of people wanting to stay living in the stone ages and want progression and change that is good for all. call it intolerance of intolerance if you wish. the hate and bigotry on the right, while not all emcompassing, is very real, and needs to be left behind. 

    the liberal motto is mind your own fucking business. let people live as they live, love as they love. the right wants to control people, and when people try to control a group, you bet your ass that group is going to get fucking mad. that's not "liberal hate". the right can take their love laws and live laws and shove them up their ass. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114

    House GOP unveils bill for young immigrants, $25B for border

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-gop-unveils-bill-young-immigrants-25b-border-225522354--politics.html
    Demonstrators line up to protest U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and immigration reform at Parkview Field in Fort Wayne, Ind. Thursday, June 14, 2018. (Mike Moore/The Journal-Gazette via AP)

    WASHINGTON (AP) — House Republicans unveiled a "discussion draft" of a sweeping immigration bill that includes a path to citizenship for young immigrants, $25 billion in border security — including advance funds for President Donald Trump's wall with Mexico — and a provision aimed at addressing the crisis of family separations at the border.

    Presented to lawmakers Thursday, the measure sticks to Trump's immigration priorities while trying to join the party's warring conservative and moderate factions on an issue that has divided the GOP for years. Passage is far from certain.

    Speaker Paul Ryan wants to hold a vote as soon as next week to put the issue to rest before the midterm election. He called it a "very good compromise."

    "Our members felt very, very passionate about having votes on policies they care about, and that is what we are doing," he said earlier Thursday. "So we're bringing legislation that's been carefully crafted and negotiated to the floor. We won't guarantee passage."

    The 293-page bill represents the kind of ambitious overhaul of the immigration system Republicans have long considered but have been unable to turn into law. It shifts away from the nation's longtime preference for family immigration to a new system that prioritizes entry based on merits and skills. It beefs up border security, clamps down on illegal entries and reinforces other immigration laws.

    To address widespread concern over the sharp rise of families being separated at the border, the measure proposes keeping children in detention with their parents, undoing 2-decade-old rules that limit the time minors can be held in custody. The White House sought the change.

    Trump has been supportive of the House GOP's approach, but the legislation faces opposition from Democrats. It's is unlikely to be approved in the Senate.

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., called the legislation "nothing more than a cruel codification of President Trump's anti-immigrant agenda that abandons our nation's heritage as a beacon of hope and opportunity."

    Advocates for immigrants said the changes to family detentions were particularly severe. Kerri Talbot, the policy director at Immigration Hub, called it a "wish list" from top White House immigration adviser Stephen Miller that "would allow the Trump administration to jail children for long periods of time."

    GOP leaders have said they may take up the family detentions issue separately, if needed, as the crisis of children being separated from their parents continues. Administration officials have said they need more money for detention beds to house the influx of immigrants resulting from the administration's "zero tolerance" policy of stepped-up border enforcement.

    The main new element is a path to citizenship for as many as 1.8 million young people who have been living in the U.S. illegally since childhood. Many conservatives object to providing these immigrants with legal status, calling it amnesty for those who broke the rules to get here. They are commonly referred to as "Dreamers," based on never-passed proposals in Congress called the DREAM Act that would have provided similar protections for young immigrants.

    Republicans were reluctant to tackle the "Dreamer" issue this year. But it took on new urgency when moderate Republicans pushed it to the fore after Trump ended the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, exposing the young immigrants to deportation. A federal court case has temporarily allowed the program to keep running.

    One Republican, Rep. Tom MacArthur of New Jersey, said he likes the way the compromise bill handles young people because "they're not getting in line in front of anyone else. That's fair." But, he added, because those people can eventually apply for citizenship, "they're not permanently sort of second-class residents of America."

    Under the proposal, some 700,000 DACA recipients, as well as a broader group of young people who didn't register for the program, could apply for legal status, which would be valid for six years and renewable "indefinitely."

    Eventually, young people, who are under 31 years old and have been in the country since at least June 2007, could begin to be awarded green cards based on a point system. It prioritizes education, English language proficiency, military service and continued employment. After that, they could apply for citizenship, as is the situation under current law for those with permanent legal status.

    The new visa program, which is also available to other immigrants — including what lawmakers said is about 200,000 children who were brought to the U.S. legally by their parents — is contingent on the $25 billion in border security funding being fully provided.

    In return, the proposal would eliminate several existing visa programs. Among them, family-related visas for the married children or adult siblings of U.S. citizens as well as the 55,000 visas now available under the diversity lottery system for immigrants from other represented countries, including many in Africa.

    To beef up the border, the proposal provides the $25 billion the White House wants for security, including technology, roadways and money for the border wall. It authorizes National Guard troops at the U.S.-Mexico border. It also calls for the deployment of a biometric entry-exit system for all entry ports that has long been under debate.

    The bill makes it easier for authorities to deport those here illegally, rather than allowing some to be released under certain circumstances.

    For children who arrive unaccompanied by adults, it proposes "equal treatment" despite their country of origin. Advocates for immigrants said that opens the door for sending children from Central America swiftly back to their home countries, even when they are far away, the same way children from Mexico are turned back at the border.



    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • I apologized to you but I’ll never see eye to eye on this administration or this president with you they are disgusting humans and you voted for the biggest culprit..
    Hey I think a lot of people need to realize that because you voted for someone doesn’t mean you’re guilty of all the shit that elected person does.  Stop taking your anger out on his supporters when they’re not pulling kids away from their parents or any of the other horrible things that happen around the country from either side.  It’s common sense. The broad brush you paint us all with us exactly the reason he got elected.  Conservatives got tired of being called vile names and racist and all that stuff and voted with a middle finger back at that hate.  

    I laugh because being in amt on this forum is like being at a cocktail party where tons of folks are half in the bag and saying shit they wouldn’t normally say in public- they’re talking shit about black people for example when they’re over there standing in the same room!  Just because the folks you despise aren’t posting doesn’t mean they’re not there helping themselves to some of the same buffet.  I guess what I’m saying is glass house kind of stuff- calling people classless but in the same breath saying something classless doesnt make yourself look too classy.

    They are not standing in the same room. The two aren't even close.

    You have not done well with this post: it's a poor man's 'you also had some very fine people on both sides' Charlottesville horrific comment. 

    And classless is classless. Trump's daily actions epitomize classless... and if you're okay with him as he is and don't expect more decorum from him given the position he holds... well... guess what?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    typical. create a problem, then attempt to fix it to look like the hero if it passes or the democrats looks like the evil ones when it doesn't because they packaged it with shit that cannot be accepted. 

    this admin is fucking evil. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    edited June 2018
    Trump said he won;t sign compromise bill.

    I wonder if he even read it or referring to it as "compromise bill" made him say he won't sign it.

    Maybe they can work on a compromise bill and call it the "Stay out bad Hombre" bill.  Put whatever they want in it and he'll sign away!
    Post edited by cincybearcat on
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    typical. create a problem, then attempt to fix it to look like the hero if it passes or the democrats looks like the evil ones when it doesn't because they packaged it with shit that cannot be accepted. 

    this admin is fucking evil. 
    what would you deem "shit" in this bill?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mcgruff10 said:
    typical. create a problem, then attempt to fix it to look like the hero if it passes or the democrats looks like the evil ones when it doesn't because they packaged it with shit that cannot be accepted. 

    this admin is fucking evil. 
    what would you deem "shit" in this bill?
    more wall bullshit. provisions that allow the government to detain kids for undefined amounts of time. merit based immigration. give us your tired, indeed. change that to "give us your skilled, your energetic, your middle class". 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.