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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    considering the crap choices we have for this election, the best possible outcome in a minority government.  I think Ford is the worse choice
    CBC pol tracker has the PCs winning a majority ... 

    I'll take my chances with Ford over another 4 years of extreme leftist policies...

    If Ontario elects him... they deserve him.
    He's no worse than the outgoing premier ... the Ontario Liberal under her is posed to one hell of a butt kicking...

    sorry I have not read all the posts here but can you tell me what you like about him?  are you at all concerned that he has not released a fully costed platform?  by any chance, do you live in Toronto?  if so, can you tell me what you liked about him when he was a city counsel man
    For one the liberals and the ndp party platform were incorrectly costed if you recall.  Not that many post ago I explained what I like.  I'm not going to re type except I'll add 2 more things...eliminating corporate welfare and the green energy act.  At this point and time I give up thinking any political party has any real interest in deficit free government...

    A minrity is no good, then we'll 3-4 liberals hi-jacking government ... fuck that ... I hope the liberals are completely shut out tomorrow...

    I could have lived with the NDP ... until the IDIOTS THINK WE SHOULD BECOME A SANCTUARY PROVINCE ... health care is not free and we should not be giving it away to every tom dick or American that crosses the border.  We have 8-10 r wait times now.

    And at least the PC's have some solid candidates.  The dippers are full activist, puppy haters, legion haters and on and on...and a leader who spent 45000 grand on clothes in 3 years and filed it under office expenses...Andrea Horrible is just a crook as well...


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Final Ipsos poll suggests Doug Ford and PCs headed for a majority

    https://trib.al/7dBmxgJ
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Maybe give the Green Party a try ... they at least seem reasonable.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Ontario could see a seismic political shift in today's provincial election

    https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/ontario-could-see-a-seismic-political-shift-in-today-s-provincial-election-1.3962957
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    The same thing was uttered after Trump won.

    There are many Americans that can attest differently to those sentiments.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,751
    edited June 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    That's dismissive. Sometimes just one election really can completely change the trajectory of a province's or country's path in a really big and meaningful way, for better or worse (yes, the Trump election was one of those for the US IMO). It actually happens all the time (It certainly did in BC - when the BC Libs won all those years ago and kept power for 16 years, that absolutely changed BC is huge ways forever). Obviously she feels that this Ontario election is one of those, and that's a valid viewpoint for her at the moment, obviously. She clearly has a life.

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    That's dismissive. Sometimes just one election really can completely change the trajectory of a province's or country's path in a really big and meaningful way, for better or worse (yes, the Trump election was one of those for the US IMO). It actually happens all the time (It certainly did in BC - when the BC Libs won all those years ago and kept power for 16 years, that absolutely changed BC is huge ways forever). Obviously she feels that this Ontario election is one of those, and that's a valid viewpoint for her at the moment, obviously. She clearly has a life.

    It's kind of like saying, "Hey. Yes. I know he's a tool, but let's just give it a shot and see honit plays out. We can always fix things later!"
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,751
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    That's dismissive. Sometimes just one election really can completely change the trajectory of a province's or country's path in a really big and meaningful way, for better or worse (yes, the Trump election was one of those for the US IMO). It actually happens all the time (It certainly did in BC - when the BC Libs won all those years ago and kept power for 16 years, that absolutely changed BC is huge ways forever). Obviously she feels that this Ontario election is one of those, and that's a valid viewpoint for her at the moment, obviously. She clearly has a life.

    It's kind of like saying, "Hey. Yes. I know he's a tool, but let's just give it a shot and see honit plays out. We can always fix things later!"
    Yes. And saying that ignores the fact that it is WAY harder to fix things later than it is to fuck everything up in the first place.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Well the liberals will likely be trounced and it's between the PC's and NDP ... so I guess if it came right down to it voting the liberals would be be a better choice...that's not happening...PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    That's dismissive. Sometimes just one election really can completely change the trajectory of a province's or country's path in a really big and meaningful way, for better or worse (yes, the Trump election was one of those for the US IMO). It actually happens all the time (It certainly did in BC - when the BC Libs won all those years ago and kept power for 16 years, that absolutely changed BC is huge ways forever). Obviously she feels that this Ontario election is one of those, and that's a valid viewpoint for her at the moment, obviously. She clearly has a life.

    LMFAO
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Meltdown99 said:
    Well the liberals will likely be trounced and it's between the PC's and NDP ... so I guess if it came right down to it voting the liberals would be be a better choice...that's not happening...PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    That's dismissive. Sometimes just one election really can completely change the trajectory of a province's or country's path in a really big and meaningful way, for better or worse (yes, the Trump election was one of those for the US IMO). It actually happens all the time (It certainly did in BC - when the BC Libs won all those years ago and kept power for 16 years, that absolutely changed BC is huge ways forever). Obviously she feels that this Ontario election is one of those, and that's a valid viewpoint for her at the moment, obviously. She clearly has a life.

    LMFAO
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    PJ_Soul said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    That's dismissive. Sometimes just one election really can completely change the trajectory of a province's or country's path in a really big and meaningful way, for better or worse (yes, the Trump election was one of those for the US IMO). It actually happens all the time (It certainly did in BC - when the BC Libs won all those years ago and kept power for 16 years, that absolutely changed BC is huge ways forever). Obviously she feels that this Ontario election is one of those, and that's a valid viewpoint for her at the moment, obviously. She clearly has a life.

    It's kind of like saying, "Hey. Yes. I know he's a tool, but let's just give it a shot and see honit plays out. We can always fix things later!"
    Yes. And saying that ignores the fact that it is WAY harder to fix things later than it is to fuck everything up in the first place.
    hmmmmm.....were we not on opposite sides of this conversation just a few pages back, in regards to legalization?  And you were calling my expectations unreasonable, and spoiled?  lol

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,677
    Drowned Out said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    That's dismissive. Sometimes just one election really can completely change the trajectory of a province's or country's path in a really big and meaningful way, for better or worse (yes, the Trump election was one of those for the US IMO). It actually happens all the time (It certainly did in BC - when the BC Libs won all those years ago and kept power for 16 years, that absolutely changed BC is huge ways forever). Obviously she feels that this Ontario election is one of those, and that's a valid viewpoint for her at the moment, obviously. She clearly has a life.

    It's kind of like saying, "Hey. Yes. I know he's a tool, but let's just give it a shot and see honit plays out. We can always fix things later!"
    Yes. And saying that ignores the fact that it is WAY harder to fix things later than it is to fuck everything up in the first place.
    hmmmmm.....were we not on opposite sides of this conversation just a few pages back, in regards to legalization?  And you were calling my expectations unreasonable, and spoiled?  lol

    one piece of legislation that is inevitibly going to have growing pains is not the same as being in charge of an entire province. 
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    That's pretty obvious....but it's the exact same premise.  
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,751
    edited June 2018
    Drowned Out said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    whoever wins the election is only going to be a stop gap and hopefully in 4 years Ontario will have better candidates...If the ontario election is the most important of her lifetime then she needs a life.  No matter who wins the sun will still rise Friday...
    That's dismissive. Sometimes just one election really can completely change the trajectory of a province's or country's path in a really big and meaningful way, for better or worse (yes, the Trump election was one of those for the US IMO). It actually happens all the time (It certainly did in BC - when the BC Libs won all those years ago and kept power for 16 years, that absolutely changed BC is huge ways forever). Obviously she feels that this Ontario election is one of those, and that's a valid viewpoint for her at the moment, obviously. She clearly has a life.

    It's kind of like saying, "Hey. Yes. I know he's a tool, but let's just give it a shot and see honit plays out. We can always fix things later!"
    Yes. And saying that ignores the fact that it is WAY harder to fix things later than it is to fuck everything up in the first place.
    hmmmmm.....were we not on opposite sides of this conversation just a few pages back, in regards to legalization?  And you were calling my expectations unreasonable, and spoiled?  lol

    I don't think this conversation applies to legalization at all - I don't believe there is any other way to deal with legalization (in the real world). Also, something brand new and having it evolve over time isn't anything close to the same as a provincial government fucking up a bunch of stuff.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,751
    Drowned Out said:
    That's pretty obvious....but it's the exact same premise.  
    I know you're too smart to think in blanket terms like that.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited June 2018
    lol.  Ok.  There is no parallel.  When it comes to general statements about government, it is way harder to fix 'things'...but when we talk about those specific 'things'...it's to be expected and no big deal. 
    All I was saying before was that complacency with the laws, because they're new, is a mistake - I agree with what you say about it being difficult to fix 'things' after the fact.   
    On the leglaization note....Edmonton's committee has proposed the most liberal civil laws in the country.  If it passes, we will be allowed to smoke in public - parks, sidewalks, designated areas at festivals  etc....shocked, and happy :) 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,751
    edited June 2018
    Drowned Out said:
    lol.  Ok.  There is no parallel.  When it comes to general statements about government, it is way harder to fix 'things'...but when we talk about those specific 'things'...it's to be expected and no big deal. 
    All I was saying before was that complacency with the laws, because they're new, is a mistake - I agree with what you say about it being difficult to fix 'things' after the fact.   
    On the leglaization note....Edmonton's committee has proposed the most liberal civil laws in the country.  If it passes, we will be allowed to smoke in public - parks, sidewalks, designated areas at festivals  etc....shocked, and happy :) 
    Not 'things'. Legalization. IN our previous discussion, my views were VERY specific to legalization, and could not be applied to any other 'thing' at all.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    PJ_Soul said:
    Drowned Out said:
    lol.  Ok.  There is no parallel.  When it comes to general statements about government, it is way harder to fix 'things'...but when we talk about those specific 'things'...it's to be expected and no big deal. 
    All I was saying before was that complacency with the laws, because they're new, is a mistake - I agree with what you say about it being difficult to fix 'things' after the fact.   
    On the leglaization note....Edmonton's committee has proposed the most liberal civil laws in the country.  If it passes, we will be allowed to smoke in public - parks, sidewalks, designated areas at festivals  etc....shocked, and happy :) 
    Not 'things'. Legalization. IN our previous discussion, my views were VERY specific to legalization, and could not be applied to any other 'thing' at all.
    You said 'things' in your first post: 'it is WAY harder to fix things later than it is to fuck everything up in the first place'

    So what 'things' are you concerned about it being difficult to fix if Ford wins?  I'm going to guess that incompetently drafted legislation is one of those things?  Like legalization. 

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