Roseanne Barr

benjs said:

mattsl1983 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm saying that anyone who doesnt find what she said to be racist - is racist.

Pointing at other people and saying "look what they did!" can not be any excuse.  

Who cares is what she said can be taken racist?  Have we reached this point in society that twitter backlash is the judge, jury and executioner?  Are you comfortable with that?

Public opinion has always been the social judge, jury and executioner. That's why the show was cancelled, and why Roseanne isn't going to jail or being charged for being racist.

benjs said:

mattsl1983 said:

benjs said:

mattsl1983 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm saying that anyone who doesnt find what she said to be racist - is racist.

Pointing at other people and saying "look what they did!" can not be any excuse.  

Who cares is what she said can be taken racist?  Have we reached this point in society that twitter backlash is the judge, jury and executioner?  Are you comfortable with that?

Public opinion has always been the social judge, jury and executioner. That's why the show was cancelled, and why Roseanne isn't going to jail or being charged for being racist.

So you were and okay with the nazi’s persecuting jews?  I like to think we’ve learned and evolved from that world, but I guess we haven’t 

What the fuck are you saying? Don't you dare put those disgusting, vile words in my mouth.

I will defend Roseanne's right to be a gross racist in public, until the day she tries to do illegal harm to a black person. I will also defend a neo-Nazi's right to be a neo-Nazi and share whatever gross opinions they have, until they act illegally on those stances. Then it crosses into a legal issue, which is addressed by the judicial system, rather than the social system.

F Me In The Brain said:

I stand by my statement.  To try and find a bigger picture to take any other view on what she did (and has done many other times) is trying to look past her racist idiocy. 
My opinion.  You can certainly have a different on and share it here, as you are.  

mattsl1983 said:

cincybearcat said:

mattsl1983 said:

vaggar99 said:

what can I say? a walking caricature of the female Trumpist?  Classic short sighted conservative "thinker"?  Or mostly just another umemployed has been?

I think it’s a case of a double standard.  Honestly how many vile shots have been taken towards this recent presidentancy and where have the reprocussions?  I’m not saying I suport anything she said, but look at the bigger picture, in all honesty if you can.  I doubt that you’ll be able to based on your use of Trumpist.  But seriously pause, step back and look at what’s been said and going on.  It’s bigger than you don’t like the present day president, but what’s going to happen when another president you support and someone says something?  What happens when you are judged and hung by your Twitter post?  Scary times we live in.  Freedom of speech is out the window and politically correct is in full effect.

Were you not alive during the Obama presidency?

And please look up freedom of speech. 

I was very much alive, and an adult, and I remember all the sound bites that were taken out of context.  Trump is the first president to live in the world of Twitter is news.  What was your stance on my previous comment again?  Maybe you are questioning my idea of bringing up freedom of speech?  Where is freedom of speech if you hold an unpopular idea or make a terrible joke that for whatever reason although comedians can say whatever they want under the gise of comedy, there’s some sort of line that doesn’t exist, but does and as long as you cross it one way you are good, and the other you are terrible and outed?  What’s the next step, public humiliation, public firing, public execution?  As long as the twitterers are on board it’s really what’s righteous right?

mattsl1983 said:

benjs said:

mattsl1983 said:

benjs said:

mattsl1983 said:

benjs said:

mattsl1983 said:

benjs said:

mattsl1983 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm saying that anyone who doesnt find what she said to be racist - is racist.

Pointing at other people and saying "look what they did!" can not be any excuse.  

Who cares is what she said can be taken racist?  Have we reached this point in society that twitter backlash is the judge, jury and executioner?  Are you comfortable with that?

Public opinion has always been the social judge, jury and executioner. That's why the show was cancelled, and why Roseanne isn't going to jail or being charged for being racist.

So you were and okay with the nazi’s persecuting jews?  I like to think we’ve learned and evolved from that world, but I guess we haven’t 

What the fuck are you saying? Don't you dare put those disgusting, vile words in my mouth.

I will defend Roseanne's right to be a gross racist in public, until the day she tries to do illegal harm to a black person. I will also defend a neo-Nazi's right to be a neo-Nazi and share whatever gross opinions they have, until they act illegally on those stances. Then it crosses into a legal issue, which is addressed by the judicial system, rather than the social system.

Hey man, you are the one that’s cool with social jury, judge, and executioner.  I was arguing against that type of mentality.  But you support it.

What don't you understand?

Social judge, jury, executioner: the right to choose to associate (or not) with who you want, based on the words and actions of a person

Legal judge, jury, executioner: the right to sentence a person based on the words and actions of a person, typically involving a physical impact to one's freedom such as imprisonment, physical harm, or the death sentence

Once again, the acts of the Nazis were in the latter category, and thinking that the world has the right to shun Roseanne Barr because she speaks in racist ways does not in any way, shape or form mean that I feel the Nazis were justified in persecuting the Jews. That's a shockingly stupid conclusion to draw. Especially when you're talking to a Jew.

I guess you don’t see how one leads to the next.  History man.  Argue it all you want, but learn you up some things on history, and you will understand the scariness of what this mentality can lead to.  It’s all good, I don’t think you’re a bad person.

History looks back at the Nazis and sees a failed social system in addition to a failed legal system and holds both accountable (one socially, one legally, respectively). History, man.

A smarter civilization would learn from its mistakes and assure that there are true social ramifications for such sentiments as the ones espoused by Adolf Hitler which would limit the abilities to access the power to modify the legal structures, rather than cherry-picking which gross messages are acceptable and which are not. 

Kind of like railing hard against someone that made a comparison to ape that is outspoken towards one side but giving passes for everything else on the other side?  Regardless of death threats.  Yeah man, you are so right.  That could never happen again..