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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited May 2018
    my2hands said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ Obama got a Nobel prize so I’d say Trump will be deserving IF North Korea de-nuclearizes (notice I said IF). Would you disagree? 
    What did Trump do exactly? 
    Does it matter? A Nobel Peace Prize can't be given to someone who defends and harbours neo-nazies and white nationalists and has 17 accusations of rape or sexual assault against him, can it?! Hell, if you're going to do shit like that, then Kim Jong Un deserves a Nobel Peace Prize way more than Trump does. He's the one who actually made the helpful decisions here.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,369
    “Very honorable.”

    US slams 'abusive' North Korean regime after Trump calls Kim 'honorable' - CNN Politics https://apple.news/Ac4qFyNPtTJaG6a__hd1xdA
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    If your Un and Team Trump Treason reneges on the Iran deal, what incentive do you have to trust the US to honor any agreement and to give up your nuclear weapons? And there’s talk of a nobel?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Any news out of China or North Korea regarding the Iranian nuclear deal being abandoned by the US? China being a signatory must have some concerns, and those concerns are being passed along to Un, right? Nobel. Peace. Prize. Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa! 
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNw_wB3ZQf8
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    3 American hostiges released from NK & a meeting date set Between president Trump and Kim Jong Un
    That's Progress my friends!!
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,369
    RYME said:
    3 American hostiges released from NK & a meeting date set Between president Trump and Kim Jong Un
    That's Progress my friends!!
    What has Un given up to gain legitimacy on the world stage? Detains Americans, gets a face to face with a sitting US president and is called “very honorable” by same. Team Trump Treason negotiates with terrorists, something we were told by the repubes since Reagan we wouldn’t do. Meanwhile, a nuclear accord that worked was jettisoned with no alternative offered. And you call that progress? Pretty low bar.

    I wonder if there’ll be a parade and meatloaf on the menu?
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  • my2hands
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    RYME said:
    3 American hostiges released from NK & a meeting date set Between president Trump and Kim Jong Un
    That's Progress my friends!!
    How about the hostage they tortured until he was in a coma and sent back just in time for his family to watch him die?

    Progress, right?
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    I'm sure Trump will have two scoops of ice cream.  And that will be the headlines.
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    my2hands said:
    RYME said:
    3 American hostiges released from NK & a meeting date set Between president Trump and Kim Jong Un
    That's Progress my friends!!
    How about the hostage they tortured until he was in a coma and sent back just in time for his family to watch him die?

    Progress, right?
    No one's under any illusions as what this regime is.
    Go back and watch a video of Trump's reaction when Otto Warmbier came back.
    I haven't forgotten about Otto Warmbier.
    Progress comes in small steps.
    And it during what time period did Trump put pressure on China to put pressure on North Korea to get the ball moving?
    At some point you're going to have to admit that he's doing some good here, and with the Iran deal, he is following through on campaign promises there.
    Kudos!!
    No more appeasing evil regimes!!

  • bbiggs
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    3 Americans were released to come home and people on here are still bitching. I don’t understand that. How about a simple, “good to see some Americans released after 2 YEARS.” Push aside the ulterior motives of Kim and the fact you hate Trump for a second. Hostages were released = good stuff in my book. Maybe I’m a simpleton. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,130
    bbiggs said:
    3 Americans were released to come home and people on here are still bitching. I don’t understand that. How about a simple, “good to see some Americans released after 2 YEARS.” Push aside the ulterior motives of Kim and the fact you hate Trump for a second. Hostages were released = good stuff in my book. Maybe I’m a simpleton. 
    Agree 100%
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited May 2018
    bbiggs said:
    3 Americans were released to come home and people on here are still bitching. I don’t understand that. How about a simple, “good to see some Americans released after 2 YEARS.” Push aside the ulterior motives of Kim and the fact you hate Trump for a second. Hostages were released = good stuff in my book. Maybe I’m a simpleton. 
    I'm sure everyone is glad hostages are released. The negativity is about something else. I think the issue is that some (RYME included) are using it as a point to try and legitimize Trump, and that is viewed as a dangerous thing. Legitimizing Trump is not acceptable in many, many people's minds. It doesn't mean that good things happening aren't acknowledged. The other thing is that people are suspicious of Un. While him releasing these 3 hostages is good, it would probably be naive to just take it at face value, given that the players are Un and Trump - two dangerous and dishonest and scheming characters. Those two working together makes people nervous for a good reason, especially since we still have ZERO idea what Un's motivations are, and no clue what is happening in back rooms. I mean, just the fact that Un has specifically waited until TRUMP is the guy to work with is a good reason to be beyond wary of this whole thing. I think at best, Un is doing this now because Trump is so easy to manipulate. It seems to me like the NK regime's intentions could be about taking advantage of America's crazy, idiotic leader.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    https://youtu.be/a3hw6S3zMMI
    1999
    Yes PJ soul said it exactly right.
    "No matter what, Trump can never be legitimized." .No matter what.  Talk about closed-mindedness.
    The inability to admit when you are legitimately wrong is extremely dangerous.
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    ^ I get it. But this thread is 100% negativity. I think the consensus should be that hostages being released is good. Instead it is spun into a negative or an opportunity to say, “BUT, Trump still sucks” or “ Kim is a POS.”  We already know that. I’d rather just say, “cool, they released detainees.”  My 2 cents FWIW. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    RYME said:
    https://youtu.be/a3hw6S3zMMI
    1999
    Yes PJ soul said it exactly right.
    "No matter what, Trump can never be legitimized." .No matter what.  Talk about closed-mindedness.
    The inability to admit when you are legitimately wrong is extremely dangerous.
    It's not closed minded to acknowledge reality. Trump IS dangerous, and constantly makes fascist statements, and he proves himself a huge liar every single day, and he is an admitted sexual predator, and the White House is in constant chaos, and he harbours white nationalists, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. How in the world can you suggest that anyone should be willing to legitimize him under those circumstances??? How long are you going to forgive him for ALL the terrible shit he does and says every day?
    I am not sure who you think is wrong either. Who is wrong about what?
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    bbiggs said:
    ^ I get it. But this thread is 100% negativity. I think the consensus should be that hostages being released is good. Instead it is spun into a negative or an opportunity to say, “BUT, Trump still sucks” or “ Kim is a POS.”  We already know that. I’d rather just say, “cool, they released detainees.”  My 2 cents FWIW. 
    I 100% agree with you bbiggs that the release of the hostiges is a good thing.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    RYME said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ I get it. But this thread is 100% negativity. I think the consensus should be that hostages being released is good. Instead it is spun into a negative or an opportunity to say, “BUT, Trump still sucks” or “ Kim is a POS.”  We already know that. I’d rather just say, “cool, they released detainees.”  My 2 cents FWIW. 
    I 100% agree with you bbiggs that the release of the hostiges is a good thing.
    Everybody thinks that.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ I get it. But this thread is 100% negativity. I think the consensus should be that hostages being released is good. Instead it is spun into a negative or an opportunity to say, “BUT, Trump still sucks” or “ Kim is a POS.”  We already know that. I’d rather just say, “cool, they released detainees.”  My 2 cents FWIW. 
    I 100% agree with you bbiggs that the release of the hostiges is a good thing.
    Everybody thinks that.
    So, bbiggs is stating the obvious.
    Gotcha
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    https://youtu.be/a3hw6S3zMMI
    1999
    Yes PJ soul said it exactly right.
    "No matter what, Trump can never be legitimized." .No matter what.  Talk about closed-mindedness.
    The inability to admit when you are legitimately wrong is extremely dangerous.
    It's not closed minded to acknowledge reality. Trump IS dangerous, and constantly makes fascist statements, and he proves himself a huge liar every single day, and he is an admitted sexual predator, and the White House is in constant chaos, and he harbours white nationalists, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. How in the world can you suggest that anyone should be willing to legitimize him under those circumstances??? How long are you going to forgive him for ALL the terrible shit he does and says every day?
    I am not sure who you think is wrong either. Who is wrong about what?
    We should go to the concept of God thread to talk about reality. B)

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