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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    bbiggs said:
    I’m getting dizzy trying to follow this...
    Thank you! 

    Same here.  We need a name for this kind of thread reaction.

    Maybe  DTOS:  Dizzying Thread Overload Syndrome.

    "Hey man, how's that thread going that you started?"

    "Uh, well, I dunno man, I've got the D-T-O-S."
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited April 2018
    Drowned Out said:
    my2hands said:
    Do tell, what do you think my bias is? I'm intrigued
    American exceptionalism, anti-Russian, by the sound of it.  You have fallen for your own R2P honey pot, judging by your world police advocacy in the other thread.  At least I own it ;)

    American exceptionalism, eh? You must not know me very well lol

    That isn't world police advocacy, that's world police reality. 
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    And yes, I'm anti Putin... very much so

    Want to talk about a real false flag? How bout the apartment bombings? That's whose narrative your aligning with
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    brianlux said:
    bbiggs said:
    I’m getting dizzy trying to follow this...
    Thank you! 

    Same here.  We need a name for this kind of thread reaction.

    Maybe  DTOS:  Dizzying Thread Overload Syndrome.

    "Hey man, how's that thread going that you started?"

    "Uh, well, I dunno man, I've got the D-T-O-S."
    Brian,

    This is precisely what I was trying to say a few days ago on the topic of ‘the simplest and most obvious conclusion’ a la Occam’s Razor: it’s a hell of a lot more difficult to choose an elegant conclusion based on facts when there appears to be a conscious effort to complicate or obfuscate the way the facts are conveyed. Unfortunately, I don’t believe Russians are unique in playing that game.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    The absolutely great thing about this thread is the fact that there are exceptional people speaking to both sides of this very confusing issue.

    The same people are normally very much in alignment on most topics presented here and it is fascinating to hear them debate this very unclear one.

    Don't feel stupid not understanding where you should sit on this issue. Even Waters in that clip (not that Waters is the 'know all') expressed we needed to be patient until the facts are established.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    anyone gonna smear this guy?

    http://stephenlendman.org/2018/04/true-targets-us-led-aggression-syria/#sthash.S0vucPOK.uxfs

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,811
    polaris_x said:
    anyone gonna smear this guy?

    http://stephenlendman.org/2018/04/true-targets-us-led-aggression-syria/#sthash.S0vucPOK.uxfs

    I actually kinda dislike reading more 1-sided articles.  I mean cmon this one is blatant.  Not only is the aggression illegal but of course the missiles didnt hit the targets because the defense systems stopped them even though they are designed to hit missiles?  

    For once I'd like to read an article that didn't bash one side of the argument completely and praise the other side ridiculously.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,395
    polaris_x said:
    anyone gonna smear this guy?

    http://stephenlendman.org/2018/04/true-targets-us-led-aggression-syria/#sthash.S0vucPOK.uxfs

    Smear?
    Is that a conspiracy theorist word for the truth?

    Here goes...

    He writes/works for the "center for global research". Which is a pro-russia website from the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories. Their founder Michael Chossudovsky has written that the 9/11 attacks were not committed by Islamic terrorists, and that the attacks were a pretext for war in the Middle East.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    bbiggs said:
    I’m getting dizzy trying to follow this...
    Thank you! 

    Same here.  We need a name for this kind of thread reaction.

    Maybe  DTOS:  Dizzying Thread Overload Syndrome.

    "Hey man, how's that thread going that you started?"

    "Uh, well, I dunno man, I've got the D-T-O-S."
    Brian,

    This is precisely what I was trying to say a few days ago on the topic of ‘the simplest and most obvious conclusion’ a la Occam’s Razor: it’s a hell of a lot more difficult to choose an elegant conclusion based on facts when there appears to be a conscious effort to complicate or obfuscate the way the facts are conveyed. Unfortunately, I don’t believe Russians are unique in playing that game.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    The absolutely great thing about this thread is the fact that there are exceptional people speaking to both sides of this very confusing issue.

    The same people are normally very much in alignment on most topics presented here and it is fascinating to hear them debate this very unclear one.

    Don't feel stupid not understanding where you should sit on this issue. Even Waters in that clip (not that Waters is the 'know all') expressed we needed to be patient until the facts are established.
    Well said, Ben and Thirty. 

    The "facts" on this issue are (to my way of thinking) somewhat similar to the "facts" about collusion in the 2016 election.  I'm not saying there wasn't any collusion, but I don't believe we really know exactly what went on there.  And there are other issues like this as well.  Could this be intentional?  Is this the proverbial "put someone in a circular room and tell them to sit in the corner?"  It sure seems like it to me.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,006
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    bbiggs said:
    I’m getting dizzy trying to follow this...
    Thank you! 

    Same here.  We need a name for this kind of thread reaction.

    Maybe  DTOS:  Dizzying Thread Overload Syndrome.

    "Hey man, how's that thread going that you started?"

    "Uh, well, I dunno man, I've got the D-T-O-S."
    Brian,

    This is precisely what I was trying to say a few days ago on the topic of ‘the simplest and most obvious conclusion’ a la Occam’s Razor: it’s a hell of a lot more difficult to choose an elegant conclusion based on facts when there appears to be a conscious effort to complicate or obfuscate the way the facts are conveyed. Unfortunately, I don’t believe Russians are unique in playing that game.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    The absolutely great thing about this thread is the fact that there are exceptional people speaking to both sides of this very confusing issue.

    The same people are normally very much in alignment on most topics presented here and it is fascinating to hear them debate this very unclear one.

    Don't feel stupid not understanding where you should sit on this issue. Even Waters in that clip (not that Waters is the 'know all') expressed we needed to be patient until the facts are established.
    Well said, Ben and Thirty. 

    The "facts" on this issue are (to my way of thinking) somewhat similar to the "facts" about collusion in the 2016 election.  I'm not saying there wasn't any collusion, but I don't believe we really know exactly what went on there.  And there are other issues like this as well.  Could this be intentional?  Is this the proverbial "put someone in a circular room and tell them to sit in the corner?"  It sure seems like it to me.
    We know plenty about the collusion.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Bentleyspop said:
    polaris_x said:
    anyone gonna smear this guy?

    http://stephenlendman.org/2018/04/true-targets-us-led-aggression-syria/#sthash.S0vucPOK.uxfs

    Smear?
    Is that a conspiracy theorist word for the truth?

    Here goes...

    He writes/works for the "center for global research". Which is a pro-russia website from the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories. Their founder Michael Chossudovsky has written that the 9/11 attacks were not committed by Islamic terrorists, and that the attacks were a pretext for war in the Middle East.
    c'mon folks ... can anyone actually dispute any of the content!? ... if all it takes for people to dismiss reporting is to claim russian bias then it explains why it's been so easy to peddle this narrative ...

    there is so much on the ground reporting on this and none of you guys care to actually read it because it doesn't suit what you want to believe!??

     
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    edited April 2018
    more on the ground independent reporting from syria...

    https://bsnews.info/dispatches-from-damascus-part-one/

    https://www.facebook.com/ScottishIndependenceLiveEvents/videos/2110328012538197/?t=57


  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
     world peace council ...

    http://www.wpc-in.org/

    it's funny ... all the digging people are willing to do about some websites posted here - wish they would do the same amount of digging on the funding of organizations like human rights watch and the white helmets ...

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,811
    polaris_x said:
    more on the ground independent reporting from syria...

    https://bsnews.info/dispatches-from-damascus-part-one/

    https://www.facebook.com/ScottishIndependenceLiveEvents/videos/2110328012538197/?t=57


    Hahahaha that first link is from bsnews!!!!  Love it!!!
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Bentleyspop said:
    polaris_x said:
    anyone gonna smear this guy?

    http://stephenlendman.org/2018/04/true-targets-us-led-aggression-syria/#sthash.S0vucPOK.uxfs

    Smear?
    Is that a conspiracy theorist word for the truth?

    Here goes...

    He writes/works for the "center for global research". Which is a pro-russia website from the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories. Their founder Michael Chossudovsky has written that the 9/11 attacks were not committed by Islamic terrorists, and that the attacks were a pretext for war in the Middle East.

    Your contributions to middle east topics on this board consist soley of discrediting anyone with a view that opposes Israel's.  I've been around long enough to know where you're coming from.  Bentley's last 10 posts on the topic....every single one of them an ad hominem.  Do better.

    1. "The truth, especially believable provable and reliable truth, is always ignored by conspiracy theorists."

    2. "The above link from global research Which is a pro-russia website from the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories. Their founder Michael Chossudovsky has written that the 9/11 attacks were not committed by Islamic terrorists, and that the attacks were a pretext for war in the Middle East."

    3. "Smear?
    Is that a conspiracy theorist word for the truth?

    Here goes...

    He writes/works for the "center for global research". Which is a pro-russia website from the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes conspiracy theories. Their founder Michael Chossudovsky has written that the 9/11 attacks were not committed by Islamic terrorists, and that the attacks were a pretext for war in the Middle East."

    4. "Not just a CIA plant also works for Israel, ISIS, Hamas, DNC, and the Clinton Global initiative. "

    5.  "Thanks for posting  the truth about Eva Bartlett.
    However,  the truth,  along with believable, provable, and reliable evidence is not understood or accepted by conspiracy theorists. 
    As is evidenced by all the people who still believe that President Obama is a Muslim socialist from Kenya. 
    Along with the people who still believe that the jews control  the world's financial institutions  and the weather. 
    And of course the oldie but goodie that the U.S. govt. was behind 9/11 and Sandy Hook.

    Thanks again"

    6.  "RT is as reliable and believable as infowars, newsmax, breitbart, and foxnews"

    7. "Same people who believe that....

    9/11 was a govt plot
    That the Jews run the world' financial  institutions 
    That Newtown was an Obama govt plot
    That the Jews control the weather
    That Obama is coming to take your guns
    That hillary runs a child sex ring out of the basement of a DC pizza parlor.
    That President Obama is a Kenyan socialist muslim
    And on and on and on"

    8.  "assad is a dictator who kills his own people 
    When you support assad in any way, shape, or form you support evil
    When you support evil in any way, shape, or form you are evil as well.

    Namaste'"

     

    9. "As well as a special kind of evil  to support a dictator who would want to kill children."

    10. "How anyone in their right  mind could openly support a dictator such as assad is beyond me. A dictator who doesn' think twice about gassing his own people. Who doesn' think twice about killing innocent women and children.

    F$@#ing troll"

    ^^^looked in the mirror lately?

  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited April 2018

    Global Research is a conglomerate.  Chossudovsky is one of the only authors who post articles exclusively for the site.  He is a sensationalist for sure.  Has been promoting every nefarious act by the US as a sure precursor to nuclear war.  Still…he’s a Canadian professor.  As with Sarah Abdallah et al…where is the evidence of ‘paid Russian troll’?  Is that the case or do you just disagree with them and Russia Russia Russia is the path of least resistance for discrediting them?

     All GR articles cite their author and published origin.  They post articles from all of the award-winning, respected journalists I mentioned previously.  They post mainstream articles that fit their narrative.  Anyone that can think critically understands the slant.  Can you guys understand the slant of the NYT or CNN?  Or is Fox News the only bullshit mainstream source, and all indy sources are unworthy of even bothering to read?

    All of these stories and ‘Russian Troll’ smear campaigns in western media recently cited stats and claims about authors that were 100% sourced from US govt statements with zero investigation.  So can we call Huffpo, BBC, times, Sky News et al western propaganda or not?   Al Jazeera is Qatari and publishes solely western viewpoints on Syria, while maintaining opposing positions on other middle east topics.  Can they be trusted? 

    This Russian propaganda/paid Russsian troll/Russian bot shit is another example of history’s lessons being completely ignored.  Macarthyism alive and well.  Can we start disputing the points made by authors instead of the authors themselves, or the people sharing the articles?

    Here is an article by, yes, moon of alabama about the smear campaigns, for y’all to ignore:

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/the-media-war-on-truthful-reporting-and-legitimate-opinions-a-documentary.html


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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    my2hands said:
    Drowned Out said:
    my2hands said:
    Do tell, what do you think my bias is? I'm intrigued
    American exceptionalism, anti-Russian, by the sound of it.  You have fallen for your own R2P honey pot, judging by your world police advocacy in the other thread.  At least I own it ;)

    American exceptionalism, eh? You must not know me very well lol

    That isn't world police advocacy, that's world police reality. 

    You call Team America 'reality'...this is a perfect example of exceptionalism.  It's reality to you, and a minority of americans as it pertains to Syria.  Outside of the US....Team America is regarded as the greatest threat to world peace. So ya....duped.  Own it. 
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited April 2018
    Drowned Out said:
    my2hands said:
    Drowned Out said:
    my2hands said:
    Do tell, what do you think my bias is? I'm intrigued
    American exceptionalism, anti-Russian, by the sound of it.  You have fallen for your own R2P honey pot, judging by your world police advocacy in the other thread.  At least I own it ;)

    American exceptionalism, eh? You must not know me very well lol

    That isn't world police advocacy, that's world police reality. 

    You call Team America 'reality'...this is a perfect example of exceptionalism.  It's reality to you, and a minority of americans as it pertains to Syria.  Outside of the US....Team America is regarded as the greatest threat to world peace. So ya....duped.  Own it. 
    Just for fun... 

    What do you think would happen if Team America pulled out of NATO and and closed up shop in Europe. And cut off funding that went to military expenditures in Europe

    The current geopolitical framework was setup well before you or I came along... ask an East German about Team America... I was just born here... so I dont own shit, amigo.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    America has 2,000 troops in Syria... and bombed empty facilities for about 20 minutes 

    And yet they are responsible for the situation in Syria and the atrocities committed... all the shit about cracking down on opposition... mass detaining... torture... rapes... killings... civilian attacks... chemical attacks... that's all either fake or America's fault? Meanwhile, Assad and Putin are righteous peacemakers... that is literally your narrative. As well as Polaris... i mean c'mon, give me a fucking break

    You're anti-US bias is being used against you and blinding you to the obvious reality of the situation
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Excellent posts my2hands. I d also like to ask what would have happened to South Korea if we had pulled out sometime in the past 55 years?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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