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This I know but it is still a constitutional right. Maryland also has an assault weapons ban upheld.my2hands said:
Not all gun ownership is protected by the 2A... Connecticut successfully banned sales of all AR 15 style weapons after Sandy Hook and it was held up and passed over by the SCOTUS...mcgruff10 said:
Nice broad stroke right there.Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
Who says America is “deserving” of guns? It is a constitutional right.
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I never said it couldn’t be changed; the constitution is a living breathing document that can be amended at any time but it sure is tough to do so. Only 17 amendments have been added in over 200 years.oftenreading said:
The GOP is currently putting forward an amendment to the Constitution. This one requires that the budget be balanced, a particularly amusing irony, given the budget they just passed.mcgruff10 said:
Nice broad stroke right there.Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
Who says America is “deserving” of guns? It is a constitutional right.
If if they can make one amendment, they could make another. In fact, once the Constitution had the first amendment, you completely lost the argument that the document is inviolable.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
ok, but saying "it's a constitutional right" is the same to me as my kid asking why they can't do something and me saying "because I said so". it's not really an answer. it's a non-answer.mcgruff10 said:
This I know but it is still a constitutional right. Maryland also has an assault weapons ban upheld.my2hands said:
Not all gun ownership is protected by the 2A... Connecticut successfully banned sales of all AR 15 style weapons after Sandy Hook and it was held up and passed over by the SCOTUS...mcgruff10 said:
Nice broad stroke right there.Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
Who says America is “deserving” of guns? It is a constitutional right.
I don't think this is talked about enough
there are valid reasons fo other ammendments, like free speech, voter equality, etc. those can be easily explained by all people. the right to bear arms is only justified by the ammendment itself, not the reason for the ammendment.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Which, we all should know, is grossly antiquated given the types of arms available today vs 200 years ago, and utterly irrelevant for the times.HughFreakingDillon said:
ok, but saying "it's a constitutional right" is the same to me as my kid asking why they can't do something and me saying "because I said so". it's not really an answer. it's a non-answer.mcgruff10 said:
This I know but it is still a constitutional right. Maryland also has an assault weapons ban upheld.my2hands said:
Not all gun ownership is protected by the 2A... Connecticut successfully banned sales of all AR 15 style weapons after Sandy Hook and it was held up and passed over by the SCOTUS...mcgruff10 said:
Nice broad stroke right there.Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
Who says America is “deserving” of guns? It is a constitutional right.
I don't think this is talked about enough
there are valid reasons fo other ammendments, like free speech, voter equality, etc. those can be easily explained by all people. the right to bear arms is only justified by the ammendment itself, not the reason for the ammendment.
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I disagree; one could argue the 1st amendment is antiquated as well since the internet was not around in the 1700's.HesCalledDyer said:
Which, we all should know, is grossly antiquated given the types of arms available today vs 200 years ago, and utterly irrelevant for the times.HughFreakingDillon said:
ok, but saying "it's a constitutional right" is the same to me as my kid asking why they can't do something and me saying "because I said so". it's not really an answer. it's a non-answer.mcgruff10 said:
This I know but it is still a constitutional right. Maryland also has an assault weapons ban upheld.my2hands said:
Not all gun ownership is protected by the 2A... Connecticut successfully banned sales of all AR 15 style weapons after Sandy Hook and it was held up and passed over by the SCOTUS...mcgruff10 said:
Nice broad stroke right there.Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
Who says America is “deserving” of guns? It is a constitutional right.
I don't think this is talked about enough
there are valid reasons fo other ammendments, like free speech, voter equality, etc. those can be easily explained by all people. the right to bear arms is only justified by the ammendment itself, not the reason for the ammendment.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Only about 40% of the country is conservative. (Hair splitting, I know)mace1229 said:
So now your comparing Laura Ingraham to Muslim Terrorists? Why do we need to speak out against her? Does the left speak out against anything crazy they talk about on The View? They’ve said some weird stuff on that show, but t I don’t consider them spokeswomen for anyone.Smellyman said:
It's like when people say 'why don't Muslim leaders speak out against terrorism more and stand up to crazy fundamentalists'. The entire right wing mouthpieces are crazies at fox, breitbart, infowars and so much more psycho sources, but they won't speak out against them because that is actually what they watch and where they get their 'news'. Or internet memes.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think that she’s not?mace1229 said:
I don’t follow her story because I don’t like her. But what makes you think she’s the spokeswoman for the right?Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
funny how you think all conservatives watch only fox and bow down to anyone on that channel. Not really accurate, when you consider that 3 million views is a big night for that program and roughly half the country is conservative.0 -
I for one do not need a document to tell me what is right or wrong.
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The left sometimes doesn’t understand the first amendment either:Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
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mcgruff10 said:
The left sometimes doesn’t understand the first amendment either:Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
That's a crappy thing to tweet, but what about it demonstrates that "the left" doesn't understand the first amendment?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Kev,Coat and Keys suggested the right doesn't understand the first amendment because of what Laura Ingraham said, seems like Joy did the same thing. I was just showing both sides do and say stupid things. And yeah it 's a pretty crappy thing to tweet.oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
The left sometimes doesn’t understand the first amendment either:Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
That's a crappy thing to tweet, but what about it demonstrates that "the left" doesn't understand the first amendment?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I feel like the NRA definitely does represent the masses (as evidenced by the fact that voters vote for politicians who are controlled by the NRA), and Nugent is an NRA board member, so that would be how Nugent represents the masses, like it or not. American democracy at work!mcgruff10 said:
He's one asshole that ran his mouth. I' m not sure how he represents the masses.Halifax2TheMax said:Is it “responsible” for a “responsible” gun owner and NRA board member, Ted Shithead Nugent, to openly advocate for the shooting of dems onsite like rabid coyotes? Is that fucking “responsible” advocacy for gun rights? Further, where are all the “responsible” repubes and gun owners condemning such talk, on a mass media platform no less? Where are the “responsible” ones? The gun rights crowd and the NRA are the most irresponsible advocates out there. “Responsible” my fucking ass.
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mcgruff10 said:
Kev,Coat and Keys suggested the right doesn't understand the first amendment because of what Laura Ingraham said, seems like Joy did the same thing. I was just showing both sides do and say stupid things. And yeah it 's a pretty crappy thing to tweet.oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
The left sometimes doesn’t understand the first amendment either:Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
That's a crappy thing to tweet, but what about it demonstrates that "the left" doesn't understand the first amendment?
No, I don't think that's what KCKs meant. I assumed s/he was referring to the reaction of the right.
Just on the face of it, I don't see any connection to the first amendment with Behar's tweet. Seems a complete non sequitur.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
This is what I think KCKs was referring to:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/fruzsinaeordogh/2018/03/31/hoggs-advertising-boycott-is-not-suppressing-ingrahams-free-speech/#4beb8d7f3921
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Got ya. That makes much more sense. Thanks for clarifying.oftenreading said:This is what I think KCKs was referring to:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/fruzsinaeordogh/2018/03/31/hoggs-advertising-boycott-is-not-suppressing-ingrahams-free-speech/#4beb8d7f3921
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what does the first ammendment have to do with the internet?mcgruff10 said:
I disagree; one could argue the 1st amendment is antiquated as well since the internet was not around in the 1700's.HesCalledDyer said:
Which, we all should know, is grossly antiquated given the types of arms available today vs 200 years ago, and utterly irrelevant for the times.HughFreakingDillon said:
ok, but saying "it's a constitutional right" is the same to me as my kid asking why they can't do something and me saying "because I said so". it's not really an answer. it's a non-answer.mcgruff10 said:
This I know but it is still a constitutional right. Maryland also has an assault weapons ban upheld.my2hands said:
Not all gun ownership is protected by the 2A... Connecticut successfully banned sales of all AR 15 style weapons after Sandy Hook and it was held up and passed over by the SCOTUS...mcgruff10 said:
Nice broad stroke right there.Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
Who says America is “deserving” of guns? It is a constitutional right.
I don't think this is talked about enough
there are valid reasons fo other ammendments, like free speech, voter equality, etc. those can be easily explained by all people. the right to bear arms is only justified by the ammendment itself, not the reason for the ammendment.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
It was a "crappy" think to tweet just for herself I guess. More stupid than crappy really ... I mean... it's honest. I think a LOT of people would be glad if they woke up to the news of Trump's death (just saying Kat, not wishing death upon anyone here!oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
The left sometimes doesn’t understand the first amendment either:Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
That's a crappy thing to tweet, but what about it demonstrates that "the left" doesn't understand the first amendment?
). I guess it's just a matter of attitude. I have noticed that a lot of people are conditioned to get really offended any time someone says anything about hoping someone is dead. They think it's just horrific. But since such thoughts have literally no impact on anything, and it's just thoughts, I personally don't find it offensive. I also think people have such thoughts (not just about Trump) a lot more often than they are willing to admit. I also think that plenty of people will feign offense because that is what they're supposed to do, when inside they really were kinda thinking the same thing. But anyway, anyone is an idiot for tweeting anything about the POTUS dying. It never goes well. One has to wonder how Joy Behar thought that was anything other than a terrible idea.
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It was a "crappy" think to tweet just for herself I guess. More stupid than crappy really ... I mean... it's honest. I think a LOT of people would be glad if they woke up to the news of Trump's death (just saying Kat, not wishing death upon anyone here!oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
The left sometimes doesn’t understand the first amendment either:Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
That's a crappy thing to tweet, but what about it demonstrates that "the left" doesn't understand the first amendment? ). I guess it's just a matter of attitude. I have noticed that a lot of people are conditioned to get really offended any time someone says anything about hoping someone is dead. They think it's just horrific. But since such thoughts have literally no impact on anything, and it's just thoughts, I personally don't find it offensive. I also think people have such thoughts (not just about Trump) a lot more often than they are willing to admit. I also think that plenty of people will feign offense because that is what they're supposed to do, when inside they really were kinda thinking the same thing. But anyway, anyone is an idiot for tweeting anything about the POTUS dying. It never goes well. One has to wonder how Joy Behar thought that was anything other than a terrible idea.
Well, you know.... part of a civilized society is that we don't voice every thought that pops into our heads, justified or not.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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Fine, but that doesn't mean everyone has to pretend to be offended by it.oftenreading said:PJ_Soul said:
It was a "crappy" think to tweet just for herself I guess. More stupid than crappy really ... I mean... it's honest. I think a LOT of people would be glad if they woke up to the news of Trump's death (just saying Kat, not wishing death upon anyone here!oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
The left sometimes doesn’t understand the first amendment either:Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
That's a crappy thing to tweet, but what about it demonstrates that "the left" doesn't understand the first amendment? ). I guess it's just a matter of attitude. I have noticed that a lot of people are conditioned to get really offended any time someone says anything about hoping someone is dead. They think it's just horrific. But since such thoughts have literally no impact on anything, and it's just thoughts, I personally don't find it offensive. I also think people have such thoughts (not just about Trump) a lot more often than they are willing to admit. I also think that plenty of people will feign offense because that is what they're supposed to do, when inside they really were kinda thinking the same thing. But anyway, anyone is an idiot for tweeting anything about the POTUS dying. It never goes well. One has to wonder how Joy Behar thought that was anything other than a terrible idea.
Well, you know.... part of a civilized society is that we don't voice every thought that pops into our heads, justified or not.
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I agree. I have been skewered in the past by voicing my truth about someone who has passed away. not that I wished for their death, just that I....um.....wasn't particularly saddened by it.PJ_Soul said:
Fine, but that doesn't mean everyone has to pretend to be offended by it.oftenreading said:PJ_Soul said:
It was a "crappy" think to tweet just for herself I guess. More stupid than crappy really ... I mean... it's honest. I think a LOT of people would be glad if they woke up to the news of Trump's death (just saying Kat, not wishing death upon anyone here!oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
The left sometimes doesn’t understand the first amendment either:Kev - Coat and Keys said:Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?
Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
That's a crappy thing to tweet, but what about it demonstrates that "the left" doesn't understand the first amendment? ). I guess it's just a matter of attitude. I have noticed that a lot of people are conditioned to get really offended any time someone says anything about hoping someone is dead. They think it's just horrific. But since such thoughts have literally no impact on anything, and it's just thoughts, I personally don't find it offensive. I also think people have such thoughts (not just about Trump) a lot more often than they are willing to admit. I also think that plenty of people will feign offense because that is what they're supposed to do, when inside they really were kinda thinking the same thing. But anyway, anyone is an idiot for tweeting anything about the POTUS dying. It never goes well. One has to wonder how Joy Behar thought that was anything other than a terrible idea.
Well, you know.... part of a civilized society is that we don't voice every thought that pops into our heads, justified or not.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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