Some People's Dogs

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Terrible tragedy.
    I saw this on FB and the comments under the article were ridiculous.
    Tons of folk suggesting she was killed by coyotes and the dogs ran them off and then we're guarding her body, lots of people suggesting foul play because they were her dogs, like that's just impossible.
    People only hear and believe what they want.

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  • brianlux said:
    Many people, my wife included, defend American Staffordshire Terrier (aka "pitbulls") as be such sweet and lovable dogs and it's true, they can be, but when I see one being walked by someone I think to myself, "Sweet dog or deadly beast?"  How can you know?  You can't.   Sorry to say, AST fans, but the reality is that some very irresponsible people have made this breed a high-risk, uncertain potential danger.  Besides, there are so many other good choices.  Why put others ill at ease?  I say, no more Staffordshire Terriers!

    True (like it or not). If you aren't alert around a pitbull then you are an idiot.

    And I've seen lions that have been raised to be sweet and lovable animals. The position that pitbulls can be very loving dogs if raised appropriately holds no water: the risk/reward is significant- especially when there are so many other dogs with far less history that can fill the role of 'pet'. 

    The argument for pitbulls parallels the gun argument. Just like gun advocates defending assault rifles and bristle at the idea of gun reform... people that want pitbulls and advocate for them ignore the daily events where their breed of choice mauls a human or other dog. They blame 'bad owners'... they speak to their 'rights'... and they deflect by alluding to things like documented Pomeranian attacks to minimize the reality they don't want to acknowledge.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    brianlux said:
    Many people, my wife included, defend American Staffordshire Terrier (aka "pitbulls") as be such sweet and lovable dogs and it's true, they can be, but when I see one being walked by someone I think to myself, "Sweet dog or deadly beast?"  How can you know?  You can't.   Sorry to say, AST fans, but the reality is that some very irresponsible people have made this breed a high-risk, uncertain potential danger.  Besides, there are so many other good choices.  Why put others ill at ease?  I say, no more Staffordshire Terriers!

    True (like it or not). If you aren't alert around a pitbull then you are an idiot.

    And I've seen lions that have been raised to be sweet and lovable animals. The position that pitbulls can be very loving dogs if raised appropriately holds no water: the risk/reward is significant- especially when there are so many other dogs with far less history that can fill the role of 'pet'. 

    The argument for pitbulls parallels the gun argument. Just like gun advocates defending assault rifles and bristle at the idea of gun reform... people that want pitbulls and advocate for them ignore the daily events where their breed of choice mauls a human or other dog. They blame 'bad owners'... they speak to their 'rights'... and they deflect by alluding to things like documented Pomeranian attacks to minimize the reality they don't want to acknowledge.
    Exactly, Thirty.  And even though they may be right in many case- that there are cases of "bad owners" to blame and that maybe yes, they have a "right" to own these animals, the fact remains (and this is the part that cannot be well argued against) pitbulls create unease and often anxiety for others because there have been so many instances where these dogs have caused injury or death*.    That unease is legitimate.  No one can tell be I should not feel uneasy around these dogs.  Not even my wife gets to tell me that (and I respect here opinion on most things). 

    *(And that alone, to my way of thinking, is reason enough to stop breading these dogs except for maybe rare circumstances.  There are plenty of other breads for companions, service and working dogs.)
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Weird, I’ve never met a pit bull that wasn’t kind and gentle. Boxers, Rottweilers, and German Shepherds on the other hand... every single one has been aggressive as fuck.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Weird, I’ve never met a pit bull that wasn’t kind and gentle. Boxers, Rottweilers, and German Shepherds on the other hand... every single one has been aggressive as fuck.
    I wish I'd had that kind of luck as I do not like having any animal biases.  Boxers have been OK although I've nearly been slobbered to death by a few.  Rottweilers definitely fit into the scary Cujo category.  German Shephards are a mixed bag for me- some are scary as all get out, but my experience with old Shephards has been nothing but good- the ones I've known seemed sad, wise and world-weary. 

    I knew of one fairly sweet pit bull but he was owned by my vet who both infuses love and draws love from his animals.  Most of the other pit bulls I've been in contact have been accompanied by owners who give off a kind of scary vibe that seems akin to their dogs.  There seems to be a subculture of viscous people who infuse that vibe into their pets.  I don't know- maybe they are just trying to keep people at a distance from them but the vibe is never good for me.  Maybe just bad luck on my part.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • I or one of my close friends have owned Boxers, Rotts, Shepherds and Pitts.

    Every Boxer and pitt have been absolute babies.  Wonderful dogs.

    Every Rott when it got older became aggressive.

    Every Shepherd I've been around sans one has been a beautiful animal.

    When I lived in queens back in the day the dog to get and train were Dobermans.  They would use them as guard dogs or house protection dogs.
  • I've never encountered a bad boxer. German Shepherds have been a really bad breed from my personal experiences.

    Rottweilers and pitbulls aren't dogs of choice by my circle of friends- I typically see them in the back of trucks barking at stuff or at the end of a chain leash with studded collars (straining to run after things). More often than not... the owner has very small arms, but is doing his best to come across as tuff.
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  • I've never encountered a bad boxer. German Shepherds have been a really bad breed from my personal experiences.

    Rottweilers and pitbulls aren't dogs of choice by my circle of friends- I typically see them in the back of trucks barking at stuff or at the end of a chain leash with studded collars (straining to run after things). More often than not... the owner has very small arms, but is doing his best to come across as tuff.
    How many boxers have you seen do the "horse shoe thing"?  

    Every one I've seen always curls itself up when it got excited!
  • I've never encountered a bad boxer. German Shepherds have been a really bad breed from my personal experiences.

    Rottweilers and pitbulls aren't dogs of choice by my circle of friends- I typically see them in the back of trucks barking at stuff or at the end of a chain leash with studded collars (straining to run after things). More often than not... the owner has very small arms, but is doing his best to come across as tuff.
    How many boxers have you seen do the "horse shoe thing"?  

    Every one I've seen always curls itself up when it got excited!
    What's the 'horse shoe thing'?

    The tight circles when excited must be a trait lol.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,424
    My personal experience with pitbulls has been solely based on the owners. For the most part I am not afraid of any dog. It's the owners that I pay attention to.
    However, the dog that always have me on high alert are Wolf Hybrids. Regardless of owner I have seen these dogs display some scary behavior such that I give them wide berth no matter how nice and docile they appear.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I've had bad experiences with Shepherds only.
    My boxers duke it out all the time, if that's what horse shoes means.
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  • rgambs said:
    I've had bad experiences with Shepherds only.
    My boxers duke it out all the time, if that's what horse shoes means.
    "Horseshoe" is when their ass and head come at you the same time so it looks like a horseshoe, lol.  It's one of the more funnier things I've seen from an animal.
  • Got it!

    Yes. Boxers coming at you with their asses and heads is hilarious. They do the stiff leg bounce thing too when they get really excited. I really like those dogs. I've never met a bad one.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I never heard that term either but a friend of mine has a black lab/chow mix that sort of does that.  When she (the dog) sees me, she comes loping over and at the last second goes into a horseshoe.  Funny and sweet that dog!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,424
    And again..

    Pit Bulls Maul Kentucky Couple On Christmas Eve. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwlorInzc
  • And again..

    Pit Bulls Maul Kentucky Couple On Christmas Eve. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwlorInzc
    Gruesome. Terrifying. Sad.

    The brother shot the dogs to stop the attack- one is dead. He should have driven to the lock up where the owner currently is and shot him too.
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  • This idiot got four years in prison today after his pit bull severely mauled a little girl in a park. The dog was off its leash and he suggested in court that it was 'probably' provoked (the guy left his dog under the care of his elderly mother without leash and harness). 

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-pit-bull-verdict-1.4546531
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  • Woman gets killed by her pitbull/boxer cross after she tries to save her daughter from its attack.

    One neighbour said a pit bull was kept confined in the chain-link dog run most of the time and was intimidating. “I would say it was aggressive,” said the man, who wouldn’t give his name. “It barked all the time.”

    https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/langdon-woman-killed-by-own-dog-after-child-attacked

    Interestingly, in the same article, the strong and just Canadian courts really exercised its muscles in a similar case: In August 2012, Deanna Wolfe, then 26, nearly died when two pit bulls were sicced on her by the canines’ owner, Rita Phillip, in a home in Sundre. Wolfe underwent more than 14 surgeries to repair the damage. Phillip was sentenced to four years in prison for aggravated assault.

    Four... whole... years? Holy smokes. She didn't die. I bet if Deanna did die... Rita would have got, like, I bet five years.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Woman gets killed by her pitbull/boxer cross after she tries to save her daughter from its attack.

    One neighbour said a pit bull was kept confined in the chain-link dog run most of the time and was intimidating. “I would say it was aggressive,” said the man, who wouldn’t give his name. “It barked all the time.”

    https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/langdon-woman-killed-by-own-dog-after-child-attacked

    Interestingly, in the same article, the strong and just Canadian courts really exercised its muscles in a similar case: In August 2012, Deanna Wolfe, then 26, nearly died when two pit bulls were sicced on her by the canines’ owner, Rita Phillip, in a home in Sundre. Wolfe underwent more than 14 surgeries to repair the damage. Phillip was sentenced to four years in prison for aggravated assault.

    Four... whole... years? Holy smokes. She didn't die. I bet if Deanna did die... Rita would have got, like, I bet five years.

    I've known one or two pit bulls that seemed friendly enough- especially this one that was very friendly- but you just never know.  And why take a chance?  It's not like there aren't a whole bunch of other choices of dog breads that are friendly and less prone to being dangerous.  I just don't get it.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni