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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    Agreed. The comparison just doesn't work.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    I think that's based on bias towards the cause.  What happened in San Jose during 16 is despicable.  The Berkeley protests fall into the same category.  Think about how the far left has protested over the past few years.  And don't bring up C'ville.  No one is defending that, least of all me.  But there are problems materializing in the far left.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Intolerance and attempted violent suppression of First Amendment rights cuts all ways.  The test of our democracy and Constitution is precisely our ability to tolerate speech we find abhorrent.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    College students today believe it's more important to promote inclusiveness than protecting freedom of speech https://kf-site-production.s3.amazonaws.com/publications/pdfs/000/000/248/original/Knight_Foundation_Free_Expression_on_Campus_2017.pdf
    20% of college students believe that it's okay to use violence to suppress speech with which they disagree:  https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2017/09/18/views-among-college-students-regarding-the-first-amendment-results-from-a-new-survey/
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2018
    Kind of getting into the intolerance of intolerance zone there though... I don't find this really comparable.
    Also, I feel like you're playing pretty fast and loose by calling people with those views Bernie Bros. Trump supporters are one thing. And then left wing extremists and PC-gone-wild types are something completely different altogether. They are not each other's counterpart at all IMO.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJ_Soul said:
    Kind of getting into the intolerance of intolerance zone there though... I don't find this really comparable.
    Also, I feel like you're playing pretty fast and loose by calling people with those views Bernie Bros. Trump supporters are one thing. And then left wing extremists and PC-gone-wild types are something completely different altogether. They are not each other's counterpart at all IMO.
    So are you saying that the equivalent of Trump base are anarchists?  I'm not saying that anyone that voted for Bernie in the primary is a Bernie Bro.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    I wonder if Team Trump Treason was thinking of this kind of “chemistry?”

    Trump explains why he congratulated Putin for election win, says other presidents lacked 'chemistry' with Russian leader - Fox News https://apple.news/Acjaiz9vOSl67ScVku4mbbA

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2018
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Kind of getting into the intolerance of intolerance zone there though... I don't find this really comparable.
    Also, I feel like you're playing pretty fast and loose by calling people with those views Bernie Bros. Trump supporters are one thing. And then left wing extremists and PC-gone-wild types are something completely different altogether. They are not each other's counterpart at all IMO.
    So are you saying that the equivalent of Trump base are anarchists?  I'm not saying that anyone that voted for Bernie in the primary is a Bernie Bro.  
    What? No. I'm saying that nothing is equivalent to Trump's base. There is no "other side of the coin" for those people at all.
    Yeah, I know you're not saying that anyone who voted for Bernie is a Bernie Bro. But it seemed like you were saying that those people featured in those links you posted are, and that the violent protesters at Berkeley were ... and maybe that 20% of college students who say that inclusiveness is more important than free speech are? I don't agree at all. If anything, all the Bernie supporters who did NONE of those things are the Bernie Bros.... Or maybe the term Bernie Bros is just a completely moot term. I mean, if what you're saying are Bernie Bros really are... then that's pretty weird, because Bernie doesn't seem to want anything to do with people like that, and they don't seem to represent what Bernie stands for at all, so why would they be called that anyhow? :confused: Or maybe I am not understanding you!
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Kind of getting into the intolerance of intolerance zone there though... I don't find this really comparable.
    Also, I feel like you're playing pretty fast and loose by calling people with those views Bernie Bros. Trump supporters are one thing. And then left wing extremists and PC-gone-wild types are something completely different altogether. They are not each other's counterpart at all IMO.
    So are you saying that the equivalent of Trump base are anarchists?  I'm not saying that anyone that voted for Bernie in the primary is a Bernie Bro.  
    What? No. I'm saying that nothing is equivalent to Trump's base. There is no "other side of the coin" for those people at all.
    Yeah, I know you're not saying that anyone who voted for Bernie is a Bernie Bro. But it seemed like you were saying that those people featured in those links you posted are, and that the violent protesters at Berkeley were ... and maybe that 20% of college students who say that inclusiveness is more important than free speech are? I don't agree at all. If anything, all the Bernie supporters who did NONE of those things are the Bernie Bros.... Or maybe the term Bernie Bros is just a completely moot term. I mean, if what you're saying are Bernie Bros really are... then that's pretty weird, because Bernie doesn't seem to want anything to do with people like that, and they don't seem to represent what Bernie stands for at all, so why would they be called that anyhow? :confused: Or maybe I am not understanding you!
    Bernie Bros are hardcore Sanders supporters from the campaign who harassed, trolled and verbally attacked Hillary supporters in terms that were often sexist, and always over the top.  It hit a peak when that doctor eviscerated her before Sanders speech in NYC in a way that Trump would actually love.  The Sanders campaign had to apologize although Sanders didn't apologize when he took the podium.  They showed themselves with their rude, juvenile outbursts at the Democratic Convention, threatening the entire process.  
    The Sanders campaign knew it was a problem and they tried to tweet out calls for civility, but they did not change the trajectory.  Perhaps you didn't read or see too much about it up in Canada, but if you were in a battleground state like me, it was news.  

    From the official online dictionary of record (urban of course)... Bernie Bro
    An insufferable, self-righteous, left wing activist, who refers to everyone who doesn't share his narrow political views (a.k.a. anyone who doesn't feel the Bern) as a corporate puppet/media whore.
    - How dare you question Bernie's electoral program, you Wallstreet boot licking corporate whore!!!!! 
    - Dude, chill the fuck out. You're becoming such a Bernie Bro. 

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    Ah okay. No, I still don't think that is comparable to Trump supporters, sorry. ;)
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  • dignin
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    I love Elizabeth Warren, lol. Stooge my ass. :tongue:
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2018
    And if that is what Bernie Bros are.... I think that is terrible term. It's really unfair to Bernie Sanders IMO.  (are they all guys btw? What's the "bros"?)
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJ_Soul said:
    And if that is what Bernie Bros are.... I think that is terrible term. It's really unfair to Bernie Sanders IMO.  (are they all guys btw? What's the "bros"?)
    No, not always men, but always aggressive.  Seems to be more men than women.  Bernie should have shut it down earlier.  He tried, particularly after the NYC event, but the die was cast on that momentum.  The convention was a travesty.  If you remember "Free" who was on here a lot last year, that would be a prototypical Bernie Bro.  They reject compromise and very difficult to reason with.  
    Dignin's cartoon nails it.  
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2018
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And if that is what Bernie Bros are.... I think that is terrible term. It's really unfair to Bernie Sanders IMO.  (are they all guys btw? What's the "bros"?)
    No, not always men, but always aggressive.  Seems to be more men than women.  Bernie should have shut it down earlier.  He tried, particularly after the NYC event, but the die was cast on that momentum.  The convention was a travesty.  If you remember "Free" who was on here a lot last year, that would be a prototypical Bernie Bro.  They reject compromise and very difficult to reason with.  
    Dignin's cartoon nails it.  
    To be fair to Bernie, I'm sure he didn't want to draw even more attention to a bunch of kooks than was already drawn. To fight any harder to shut it down would be making it an even bigger deal.

    Just thought of the biggest reason these two groups aren't comparable btw... Trump fucking encourages his nut jobs. He loves them. He holds rallies for them. Bernie wants nothing to do with his, lol. ;) Again, I feel like calling those types "Bernie Bros", which does lead to people comparing them to Trump supporters, is misleading and unfair to Bernie and the vast majority of his supporters.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And if that is what Bernie Bros are.... I think that is terrible term. It's really unfair to Bernie Sanders IMO.  (are they all guys btw? What's the "bros"?)
    No, not always men, but always aggressive.  Seems to be more men than women.  Bernie should have shut it down earlier.  He tried, particularly after the NYC event, but the die was cast on that momentum.  The convention was a travesty.  If you remember "Free" who was on here a lot last year, that would be a prototypical Bernie Bro.  They reject compromise and very difficult to reason with.  
    Dignin's cartoon nails it.  
    To be fair to Bernie, I'm sure he didn't want to draw even more attention to a bunch of kooks than was already drawn. To fight any harder to shut it down would be making it an even bigger deal.

    Just thought of the biggest reason these two groups aren't comparable btw... Trump fucking encourages his nut jobs. He loves them. He holds rallies for them. Bernie wants nothing to do with his, lol. ;) Again, I feel like calling those types "Bernie Bros", which does lead to people comparing them to Trump supporters, is misleading and unfair to Bernie and the vast majority of his supporters.
    You'll notice I never compared Trump to Sanders.  

    As far as your first point...  I don't know.  I think he liked the energy at first but then when it started to get bad PR, it was hard to pull it back.  Now I'm sure I'm biased (as we all are) since I didn't like Sanders from the start.  But I'm a moderate Dem, have been for a long time.  

    All extremists should be shot.  
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2018
    That's a pretty extremist last sentence there buddy. :lol:

    (Yeah, I know you didn't compare Trump to Sanders. You compared Trump supporters to Bernie Bros.... Still not comparable, for plenty of reasons, some already mentioned... another big one is simply subject matter. Not all extremists are equal man. I think really that's what you're trying to say, and I strongly disagree with that viewpoint).
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  • josevolution
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    If you weren't already worried about Russia, you should be now - CNN https://apple.news/AxgIGs2DTTUiH-aRpJGmI3Q
    Yep and our gate keeper just gave the keys to his master with yesterday’s call ...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2018
    The important part of that:

    "Earlier this month, Russian intrusions took a sinister new turn, with the joint FBI-Department of Homeland Security disclosure that the Russians have been hacking US infrastructure, including the electric grid. If you weren't already worried about Russia, you should be now, and it's past time for the United States to define what a "proportionate response" looks like in these new forms of grayscale warfare (not armed conflict, but not peaceful coexistence, either).
    Here's why Americans should be worried. According to the FBI and DHS, the Russians have been stealing information and testing attack scenarios on the structure and operations of the US electric grid, including industrial control and Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition systems. Attacking those systems, particularly in a way that does permanent damage, could lead to a prolonged power outage."


    BUT CONGRATULATIONS TO PUTIN!!!!!

    And now the question is... is the USA doing the same to Russia or anyone else? Valid question. Although I don't think it should change anything as far as how America feels about Trump's extremely fucked up behaviour when it comes to Russia/Putin. There is something seriously weird going on there, and everyone should be extremely worried about it... I actually think whatever is going on with Trump's refusal to unfriend Putin is what wil be impeachable, if anyone can ever fucking figure out why he's doing it. I mean, even if the actual reason is sheer stupidity it wouldn't even matter.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJ_Soul said:
    The important part of that:

    "Earlier this month, Russian intrusions took a sinister new turn, with the joint FBI-Department of Homeland Security disclosure that the Russians have been hacking US infrastructure, including the electric grid. If you weren't already worried about Russia, you should be now, and it's past time for the United States to define what a "proportionate response" looks like in these new forms of grayscale warfare (not armed conflict, but not peaceful coexistence, either).
    Here's why Americans should be worried. According to the FBI and DHS, the Russians have been stealing information and testing attack scenarios on the structure and operations of the US electric grid, including industrial control and Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition systems. Attacking those systems, particularly in a way that does permanent damage, could lead to a prolonged power outage."


    BUT CONGRATULATIONS TO PUTIN!!!!!

    And now the question is... is the USA doing the same to Russia or anyone else? Valid question. Although I don't think it should change anything as far as how America feels about Trump's extremely fucked up behaviour when it comes to Russia/Putin. There is something seriously weird going on there, and everyone should be extremely worried about it... I actually think whatever is going on with Trump's refusal to unfriend Putin is what wil be impeachable, if anyone can ever fucking figure out why he's doing it. I mean, even if the actual reason is sheer stupidity it wouldn't even matter.
    Team Trump Treason is an organized crime syndicate. Putin has way more than a PTAPE on him. Way more.
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