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  • Ray J. T.Ray J. T. Posts: 3,763

    Well, I dunno. At one of the shows I saw in 06 or 08, I don't recall which one at the moment... Ed changed the lyric in Given to Fly to "made it to the ocean, smoked a joint in a tree." And last year in Cincinnati he told a story centered around his joint being bogarted. A lot more obvious than a split second utterance on an album track that can barely be heard. :wink:

    Sung the lyrics just like that in 08 in Boston. Phenomenal 2 night run in Boston.

  • Interviewer: (Is Pearl Jam) learning the Neil Young songbook?

    Young: We won’t do any of the old ones... The way it’ll work is they’ll do Eddie’s songs and then they’ll do my songs. Sometimes I sing some of Eddie’s songs, and sometimes he sings on my songs. There’s a long way that it could develop.

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    :rofl: I swear they mess with us.
    My head hurts so much trying to understand what he means by that.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,203
    edited June 2016

    There are also ones that, for one reason or another, stalled out (Martin Scorsese was contacted to work with the band in '93).

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    Fan. Istället för Scorcese 1993 fick vi Crowes The Fixer video 2009........
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • FoxyRedLaFoxyRedLa Lauren / MIPosts: 4,810
    I can delete this out if it doesn't fit here.

    Did Ed go by Vedders? Typo? Lol is his last name really Vedders?


    Pearl Jam - Much Music Spotlight, 1992 1/3:
    Oh please let it rain today.
    Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
  • Massara133Massara133 Stettler AB CanadaPosts: 418
    FoxyRedLa said:

    I can delete this out if it doesn't fit here.

    Did Ed go by Vedders? Typo? Lol is his last name really Vedders?


    Pearl Jam - Much Music Spotlight, 1992 1/3:

    Ahhh, Muchmusic, my lifeline for music growing up in Canada. In addition to PJ being highlighted in the "Labatt Blue Spotlight" they also (Stone and Ed) hosted the "Pepsi Power Hour" once. Pretty sure that's what the second half of that clip was with the Ed interview.

    And I'm pretty sure Vedders was just a typo :)
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  • SarahSarah TorontoPosts: 736

    FoxyRedLa said:

    I can delete this out if it doesn't fit here.

    Did Ed go by Vedders? Typo? Lol is his last name really Vedders?


    Pearl Jam - Much Music Spotlight, 1992 1/3:

    Ahhh, Muchmusic, my lifeline for music growing up in Canada. In addition to PJ being highlighted in the "Labatt Blue Spotlight" they also (Stone and Ed) hosted the "Pepsi Power Hour" once. Pretty sure that's what the second half of that clip was with the Ed interview.

    And I'm pretty sure Vedders was just a typo :)
    Never heard about Stone and Ed hosting "Power Hour" back in the day. Amazing! I *must* see this!
    "Somewhere in between / There and here / I got lost / I got scared..."
  • DM282158DM282158 Beverly, MAPosts: 261
    Best thread I've come across yet! Great, great stuff
    Boston '06
    Mansfield '08
    Hartford '10
    Worcester, Hartford '13
    Global Citizen, NY '15
  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
    Here are the names of some original songs by Eddie.  At least the first title, I assume, seems to indicate it was written for Into the Wild.  

    RUBBERTRAMP
    TRANSIT
    REEL BOW PART 1
    REEL BOW PART 2
    SPACE BUNK PART 1
    SPACE BUNK PART 2

    Those were found on the Universal Music Publishing Group website.  This source also uncovered writing credits for a couple Pearl Jam songs that previously alluded me.

    Chinese
    written by Stone

    Olé
    music-Jeff
    words- Eddie

  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,538
    edited March 2018
    Some Billboard records.....

    -Vs. sold the most copies ever in an album's first week (later broken by Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP I believe)

    -Vitalogy was released on vinyl two weeks before the CD and sold 34,000 copies...by far the most sales of vinyl record since the advent of CD until Jack White surpassed it with his second album Lazeretto

    -Most albums to debut on the chart at once (Nine of the U.S. Bootlegs from the 2000 tour)
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 15,755
    Some Billboard records.....

    -Vs. sold the most copies ever in an album's first week (later broken by Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP I believe)

    -Vitalogy was released on vinyl two weeks before the CD and sold 34,000 copies...by far the most sales of vinyl record since the advent of CD until Jack White surpassed it with his second album Lazeretto

    -Most albums to debut on the chart at once (Nine of the U.S. Bootlegs from the 2000 tour)
    Was broken by Backstreet Boys Millenium in 1999, then again in 2000 by N*Sync's No Strings Attached (a record that still stands).  The Marshall Mathers LP did indeed outsell Vs in it's first week and could have held the record, but N*Sync was released just a couple months prior.

    Sidenote: Adele's 25 outsold N*Sync (by a lot!) but that includes digital sales.  The aforementioned are based on pure physical sales numbers.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,538
    Some Billboard records.....

    -Vs. sold the most copies ever in an album's first week (later broken by Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP I believe)

    -Vitalogy was released on vinyl two weeks before the CD and sold 34,000 copies...by far the most sales of vinyl record since the advent of CD until Jack White surpassed it with his second album Lazeretto

    -Most albums to debut on the chart at once (Nine of the U.S. Bootlegs from the 2000 tour)
    Was broken by Backstreet Boys Millenium in 1999, then again in 2000 by N*Sync's No Strings Attached (a record that still stands).  The Marshall Mathers LP did indeed outsell Vs in it's first week and could have held the record, but N*Sync was released just a couple months prior.

    Sidenote: Adele's 25 outsold N*Sync (by a lot!) but that includes digital sales.  The aforementioned are based on pure physical sales numbers.

    I knew this....but didn't want to acknowledge the Backstreet Boys or N Sync so I just skipped them and went right to Eminem.

    Hate to say it, but I think a Limp Bizkit album might have also outdone Vs. in the first week.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 15,755
    Some Billboard records.....

    -Vs. sold the most copies ever in an album's first week (later broken by Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP I believe)

    -Vitalogy was released on vinyl two weeks before the CD and sold 34,000 copies...by far the most sales of vinyl record since the advent of CD until Jack White surpassed it with his second album Lazeretto

    -Most albums to debut on the chart at once (Nine of the U.S. Bootlegs from the 2000 tour)
    Was broken by Backstreet Boys Millenium in 1999, then again in 2000 by N*Sync's No Strings Attached (a record that still stands).  The Marshall Mathers LP did indeed outsell Vs in it's first week and could have held the record, but N*Sync was released just a couple months prior.

    Sidenote: Adele's 25 outsold N*Sync (by a lot!) but that includes digital sales.  The aforementioned are based on pure physical sales numbers.

    I knew this....but didn't want to acknowledge the Backstreet Boys or N Sync so I just skipped them and went right to Eminem.

    Hate to say it, but I think a Limp Bizkit album might have also outdone Vs. in the first week.
    Can't blame ya!  It made me sick to my stomach that boy bands outdid them.  I refused to acknowledge them back then.  I think you're right about Limp Bizkit, too.  I don't even think Vs is in the top 20 anymore.  All kinds of 50 Cent and Britney Spears and Usher in there now.  And digital sales have definitely pushed them out.  I think Taylor swift has three albums in the top 15 herself.  Ugh!

    And if I'm not mistaken, Vs. broke the record held by Led Zeppelin's In Through The Out Door (1979), although this was alleged sales as Nielsen SoundScan didn't begin tracking album sales until 1991.
  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
    edited December 2019

    Anyone that has checked out the Pearl Jam exhibit at MoPOP probably realized the visual appearance of the ‘Momma Son’ cassette does not match the replica included in the Ten Super Deluxe box set.  Instead, the replica is actually an amalgam of ‘Momma Son’ and the ‘Crazy Eddie V’ demo.  Both were sent to Jeff and Stone in September 1990.  Currently sitting side by side at MoPOP in Seattle, it is apparent the white cassette assigned “For Stone + Jeff” is the ‘Crazy Eddie V’ tape while the clear cassette labelled Momma Son, which also makes a cameo in PJ20, is the real McCoy.  The band chose to combine the ‘Crazy Eddie V’ white cassette and artwork along with the original Momma Son cover art to create the facsimile found in the Super Deluxe Ten reissue.  Who knows why?  One reason could be if the real Momma Son cassette was replicated, then Ed’s old phone number would be on the back of each one.


    I often wondered why the ‘Crazy Eddie V’ demo, described as original songs by Eddie, is often glossed over during most analyses of Pearl Jam’s origin.  While ‘Momma Son’ includes the first Pearl Jam recordings and showcases Eddie as a masterful lyricist and vocalist, the ‘Crazy Eddie V’ tape establishes him as a true songwriter.  Both demos taken together reveal Eddie Vedder as a full-fledged musical artist.  


    The ‘Crazy Eddie V’ tape is also an important part of Pearl Jam history as it pertains to the band’s creative evolution.  Ed’s role from frontman to a more dominating presence as songwriter can signify an abrupt mutation to the band’s identity.  But once the ‘C.E.V.’ demo is taken into account, it is apparent Eddie’s musical acumen was built into Pearl Jam’s DNA from the beginning.


    Ten may have only presented a single Vedder composition, Porch, but the album was created so soon within the band’s infancy, and a good portion of the music predates the group’s formation.  Ten was, in some ways, an excuse to tour.  It wasn’t long before Ed’s songwriting prowess came to the forefront.  Although only two songs by him made it onto Vs. he contributed a total of six.  In addition to RVM and Elderly Woman, Whipping and Better Man were also recorded.  And the unreleased “I Won’t’ and ‘Black Eye’ also came into fruition during those sessions.  That turns out to be the same number of songs he wrote for Vitalogy.


    Despite that most of the songwriting credit is bestowed on all five members for the 2nd and 3rd albums, it is generally easy to figure out which ones Eddie wrote based on whether he is featured on guitar for its performance.  And if there was any doubt, look no further then the composition book in the Vs./Vitalogy box set for the liner notes Ed hand wrote for Vitalogy.  Upon close inspection, Eddie initially credits himself for the music on Not For You, Whipping, Corduroy, Better Man, and Immortality.  It appears he subsequently wrote “Band” over “EV” on the credits for all except Better Man.  Why it was decided to extend credit on those other four songs remains a mystery.


    While on the subject of Vitalogy, this is the original Frontline special “A Matter of the Mind” from 1986 that Eddie sampled to create the foundation for Stupid Mop.  To match some faces to familiar voices, start around 29:10.  Also skip to 38:24 for the song title.


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  • It is widely known Pearl Jam members take on aliases for album concept credits. For example, Jerome Turner= Eddie Vedder on No Code. And Carpenter Newton= Stone Gossard for Yield. Eddie and Stone, respectively, take their middle name and use it for the assumed identity’s first name. What might be less known is the method to generate the remainder of the pseudonym. They utilize a formula similar to determining one’s soap opera or porn star name. To achieve that, the phony last name is fashioned from the street you grew up on. We know Stone’s childhood street, based on Ed’s joke about the “Newton Street Boys” at the Home Show last year. Thanks to Google Earth, Turner Avenue is found in Encinitas, CA although I have no idea if that was Eddie’s street. By far, my favorite is Jeff, who came up with the album concept for Riot Act. Hailing from Big Sandy, MT, the town was so small his street did not even have a name. Which is why the album concept is by Al Nostreet.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 10,417
    the original name of the file transfer program 'Dropbox' was  Even Flow as the originator is a huge PJ fan. And PJ at one time made an investment in Dropbox
  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
    edited January 5

    Plenty of PJ tunes have changed titles prior to winding up on record.  'Force of Nature' (Distant Planet) and 'Aye Davanita' (African Groove) come to mind.  Even an early Mookie show lists 'Porch' as 'This Could Be' on the set list.  The original title for 'Army Reserve' was called 'Geronimo' as revealed in a funny anecdote by Brad Klausen, excerpted below.

    Interviewer:  Eddie Vedder likes to have input in his poster designs, has he ever asked for your input into his music?

    Brad:  Ha!.. No he hasn’t. There was one day when we were laying out the album art for the avocado album, and Ed and Jeff were in my office. One of the songs on that album, Army Reserve, was originally called Geronimo… I mentioned that Geronimo was a much better song title then Army Reserve, and Ed, in a joking, sarcastic way said “Yeah, sorry we didn’t call you about that.” That’s the most input I’ve ever attempted to have.

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  • JPPJ84JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 2,601
    Just spent an hour reading this excellent thread! Now I’m wondering if they could do the acoustic Copenhagen set next year... will have to take this question to the tour thread
  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
    Some notes on Aye Davanita
    Although Dave Abbruzzese is only credited with the drum kit for Vitalogy, he recently posted on Facebook he played the bass and main guitar lines on Aye Davanita.  
    The Vitalogy booklet lists Aye Davanita as The Song Without Words.  Incidentally,  an early draft of the liner notes credits Stone with the words.  So lets give credit where credit is due!
    "Awooh...aye davanita...awooh...awooha...
    Jahooh...jahooh...
    Awooh...aye davanita...awooh...awooha..."

  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,538
    edited January 2
    Anyway, here's what we got so far:

    -Do The Evolution: Jeff doesn't play
    -No Way: Jeff doesn't play
    -I Got Shit: Jeff, Mike and Stone don't play
    -Long Road: Mike and Stone don't play.
    -Soon Forget: Eddie only
    -Arc: Eddie only
    -Bee Girl: Eddie and Jeff only
    -Dead Man: Eddie and Jeff only
    -Footsteps: Eddie and Stone only
    -Angel: Eddie and Dave only
    -Pendulum: Mike doesn't play
    -Driftin': Eddie and Stone (maybe) only
    -Strangest Tribe: Eddie and Stone only (from same day as Driftin')
    -Satan's Bed: Dave isn't playing. His drum tech Jimmy Shoaf is
    -Rock Around Barack: Eddie doesn't play
    -Master/Slave: Eddie, Jeff, and Rick Parashar only (with Tim Palmer on fire extinguisher and pepper shaker?)
    -Gremmie Out of Control: Brendan O'Brien on lead guitar, Mike and Stone on rhythm 
    -Aye Davanita: Per pleatherman, Dave A. posted on his Facebook that he plays bass and guitar on this. 


    Looking for confirmations on:

    Jeremy: I read somewhere (or I totally made up) that either Mike or Stone isn't on the track.
    Yellow Ledbetter: Does Stone play?
    Stupid Mop: Definitely Eddie, Jeff, and Jack. But do Stone and/or Mike play?
    Bugs: Who's making all the sounds that aren't the accordion?
    Happy to see this thread pop back up. Anyone ever come up with the correct instrumentation for Jeremy, YLB, Gremmie, Foxymop, and Bugs?


    Post edited by Ledbetterman10 on
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
    edited January 2
    Anyway, here's what we got so far:

    -Do The Evolution: Jeff doesn't play
    -No Way: Jeff doesn't play
    -I Got Shit: Jeff, Mike and Stone don't play
    -Long Road: Mike and Stone don't play.
    -Soon Forget: Eddie only
    -Arc: Eddie only
    -Bee Girl: Eddie and Jeff only
    -Dead Man: Eddie and Jeff only
    -Footsteps: Eddie and Stone only
    -Angel: Eddie and Dave only
    -Pendulum: Mike doesn't play
    -Driftin': Eddie and Stone (maybe) only
    -Strangest Tribe: Eddie and Stone only (from same day as Driftin')
    -Satan's Bed: Dave isn't playing. His drum tech Jimmy Shoaf is
    -Rock Around Barack: Eddie doesn't play
    -Master/Slave: Eddie, Jeff, and Rick Parashar only (with Tim Palmer on fire extinguisher and pepper shaker?)
    -Gremmie Out of Control: Brendan O'Brien on lead guitar, Mike and Stone on rhythm 
    -Aye Davanita: Per pleatherman, Dave A. posted on his Facebook that he plays bass and guitar on this. 


    Looking for confirmations on:

    Jeremy: I read somewhere (or I totally made up) that either Mike or Stone isn't on the track.
    Yellow Ledbetter: Does Stone play?
    Stupid Mop: Definitely Eddie, Jeff, and Jack. But do Stone and/or Mike play?
    Bugs: Who's making all the sounds that aren't the accordion?
    Happy to see this thread pop back up. Anyone ever come up with the correct instrumentation for Jeremy, YLB, Gremmie, Foxymop, and Bugs?


    Based on accounts from band members, neither Stone or Mike play any guitar on Gremmie.  Lost Dogs credits Mike on guitar but the notes for that album are chock full of mistakes.  B O'B is the only guitar player for that song.  Stone shines on background vocals to make up for the fact he was unable to learn the complex guitar parts.  And I believe Mike's only contribution was discovering the original record by the Silly Surfers.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,538
    edited January 2
    Anyway, here's what we got so far:

    -Do The Evolution: Jeff doesn't play
    -No Way: Jeff doesn't play
    -I Got Shit: Jeff, Mike and Stone don't play
    -Long Road: Mike and Stone don't play.
    -Soon Forget: Eddie only
    -Arc: Eddie only
    -Bee Girl: Eddie and Jeff only
    -Dead Man: Eddie and Jeff only
    -Footsteps: Eddie and Stone only
    -Angel: Eddie and Dave only
    -Pendulum: Mike doesn't play
    -Driftin': Eddie and Stone (maybe) only
    -Strangest Tribe: Eddie and Stone only (from same day as Driftin')
    -Satan's Bed: Dave isn't playing. His drum tech Jimmy Shoaf is
    -Rock Around Barack: Eddie doesn't play
    -Master/Slave: Eddie, Jeff, and Rick Parashar only (with Tim Palmer on fire extinguisher and pepper shaker?)
    -Gremmie Out of Control: Brendan O'Brien on lead guitar, Mike and Stone on rhythm 
    -Aye Davanita: Per pleatherman, Dave A. posted on his Facebook that he plays bass and guitar on this. 


    Looking for confirmations on:

    Jeremy: I read somewhere (or I totally made up) that either Mike or Stone isn't on the track.
    Yellow Ledbetter: Does Stone play?
    Stupid Mop: Definitely Eddie, Jeff, and Jack. But do Stone and/or Mike play?
    Bugs: Who's making all the sounds that aren't the accordion?
    Happy to see this thread pop back up. Anyone ever come up with the correct instrumentation for Jeremy, YLB, Gremmie, Foxymop, and Bugs?


    Based on accounts from band members, neither Stone or Mike play any guitar on Gremmie.  Lost Dogs credits Mike on guitar but the notes for that album are chock full of mistakes.  B O'B is the only guitar player for that song.  Stone shines on background vocals to make up for the fact he was unable to learn the complex guitar parts.  And I believe Mike's only contribution was discovering the original record by the Silly Surfers.
    Yeah that's right. I think we actually discussed this earlier in the thread. But that was years ago lol.

    Any updates on Jeremy or YLB?
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
    edited January 5
    Anyway, here's what we got so far:

    -Do The Evolution: Jeff doesn't play
    -No Way: Jeff doesn't play
    -I Got Shit: Jeff, Mike and Stone don't play
    -Long Road: Mike and Stone don't play.
    -Soon Forget: Eddie only
    -Arc: Eddie only
    -Bee Girl: Eddie and Jeff only
    -Dead Man: Eddie and Jeff only
    -Footsteps: Eddie and Stone only
    -Angel: Eddie and Dave only
    -Pendulum: Mike doesn't play
    -Driftin': Eddie and Stone (maybe) only
    -Strangest Tribe: Eddie and Stone only (from same day as Driftin')
    -Satan's Bed: Dave isn't playing. His drum tech Jimmy Shoaf is
    -Rock Around Barack: Eddie doesn't play
    -Master/Slave: Eddie, Jeff, and Rick Parashar only (with Tim Palmer on fire extinguisher and pepper shaker?)
    -Gremmie Out of Control: Brendan O'Brien on lead guitar, Mike and Stone on rhythm 
    -Aye Davanita: Per pleatherman, Dave A. posted on his Facebook that he plays bass and guitar on this. 


    Looking for confirmations on:

    Jeremy: I read somewhere (or I totally made up) that either Mike or Stone isn't on the track.
    Yellow Ledbetter: Does Stone play?
    Stupid Mop: Definitely Eddie, Jeff, and Jack. But do Stone and/or Mike play?
    Bugs: Who's making all the sounds that aren't the accordion?
    Happy to see this thread pop back up. Anyone ever come up with the correct instrumentation for Jeremy, YLB, Gremmie, Foxymop, and Bugs?


    Based on accounts from band members, neither Stone or Mike play any guitar on Gremmie.  Lost Dogs credits Mike on guitar but the notes for that album are chock full of mistakes.  B O'B is the only guitar player for that song.  Stone shines on background vocals to make up for the fact he was unable to learn the complex guitar parts.  And I believe Mike's only contribution was discovering the original record by the Silly Surfers.
    Yeah that's right. I think we actually discussed this earlier in the thread. But that was years ago lol.

    Any updates on Jeremy or YLB?
    Oh thats funny!  I must be in rerun mode.  I am not certain about the other ones.  
    Looking at that list, a couple alterations can be made.  
    Tim Palmer used the pepper shaker and extinguisher on Oceans, not Master/Slave.  
    But Parashar definitely programmed keyboards on Master/Slave.
    If we decide to trust Lost Dogs, then Dead Man also features Jack on percussion.

    And more can always be added.  The End and Future Days do not feature the other band members.  Just Eddie Horst's mini-orchestra on the former, while Future Days casts Brendan O'Brien on piano plus violinist Ann Marie Calhoun.
    Also, there is no Stone on You Are.  That's all Matt.

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  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
    edited January 9
    An unknown song was taken off the final tracklisting for Lightning Bolt because, in Ed's opinion, it sounded too much like Journey.  Which is as good of a reason as any.
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  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
    edited January 6

    While the rest of future PJ members were already playing in bands and booking shows in the early ‘80s, Stone got a late start, but more then made up for lost time.  Following a failed attempt at joining a band in high school as a mandolin player, he pursued brief stints in the Ducky Boys (as bassist) and March of Crimes.  However, Ducky Boys had a singer who would not sing and Stone never played live with March of Crimes so he designates Green River as the first band he truly belonged in.  Not long after, he became their chief songwriter.  Subsequent to the breakup, MLB channeled his prolific output further.  And in 1990, Stone’s riffs laid the groundwork to allow Pearl Jam’s formation.

    But there is always a beginning.  Some particular instance demarcates Stone from the guitarist who did not feel ready to play at Green River’s first show into, as Matt refers to him, the “riff-meister” we know today.  For a musical artist, that transformation must have occurred with the inception of his first original composition.  In Stone’s own words “… my first song in a band was ‘Come on Down’, and I wrote the lyrics and music.”*  That song happens to be the first (and title) track on the debut album of those “grunge” pioneers, Green River.  So if Neil Young has been cast as the godfather of grunge, then Stone can bask in being his godson!


    *Oddly, the album credits Mark Arm with lyrics and music co-written by Stone and Jeff.  But liner notes have proven dubious at times, and Stone hasn't shown to take undue credit.

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  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398

    The Show Must (but maybe not) Go On


    Utilizing a report filed by Paul Wertheimer, a self-proclaimed concert safety watchdog, the San Diego County Sheriff’s department managed to compel Pearl Jam to cancel their June 26-27 dates at Del Mar Fairgrounds.  Wertheimer was at it again the following month in advance of Pearl Jam’s show at Soldier’s Field.  He contacted city officials, spoke with numerous media outlets, and even wrote the mayor of Chicago a letter deploring the hazards of a general admission floor show.  This time, nobody caved and the legendary show played on.  That did not prevent Wertheimer from proceeding to show up at the concert to launch his own investigation.  He was soon evicted during Bad Religion’s opening set for supposedly pushing and harassing people.  Not long afterwards, the police arrested him on battery charges for allegedly assaulting Pearl Jam’s tour manager, Eric Johnson.  Kelly Curtis has a balanced take on the whole scenario. 

    "It seemed like he was out to get us. . . . He may be on this mission for the good of everybody, and his intentions may be right, but he's certainly doing it in a very wrong way.  We spend a lot of time making sure everybody's treated well and nobody gets hurt," he says. "We do padded barriers, there's a lot of water and medical {personnel}, people who come over the barriers are handled gently. . . . {Vocalist} Eddie {Vedder} has stopped a show many, many times if he thought people were getting hurt."  

    So while Wertheimer is by no means a nefarious villain, he certainly lacked credibility, especially 5 years later when he quickly asserted Pearl Jam shared responsibility for the tragedy at the Roskilde Festival.


    Trace back to late 1991 with the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Smashing Pumpkins, and Pearl Jam tour.  Promoters wanted to replace Pearl Jam with a bigger act.  Anthony Kiedis decided that act should be Nirvana.  So PJ was asked to leave in favor of Nirvana.  For personal reasons (it’s not hard to figure out), Billy Corgan did not wish to share a bill with Nirvana, so SP opted out of the remainder dates.  This worked to Pearl Jam’s advantage and they accepted an invitation to finish out the tour.  Just think, if events played out as originally planned, the New Year’s Eve concert at the Cow Palace would never have happened for PJ.  But judging by the picture of Eddie enjoying one of the Peppers’ shows, I would not be surprised if he found some way to be there regardless.


    Other times, Pearl Jam became the driving force behind a proposed cancellation.  Fast forward almost seven years, the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam (together again) are scheduled to play the Tibetan Freedom Concert a day apart.  A thunderstorm crashed down before the Chili Peppers’ set.  After lightning struck an audience member, the remainder of the day’s events were cancelled.  As a result, RHCP found themselves crossed out of the festivities all together.  The next night’s headliners were Pearl Jam and Eddie threatened to pull out of the show unless they were allowed to share their slot with the Chili Peppers.  Thankfully, the organizers relented.


    Then there was the incident which unfolded after the 07/21/98 show at Memorial Stadium in Seattle.  A heat wave ruined the sound that day and Vedder’s ire was directed at Karrie Keyes, their monitor engineer.  She recounts “There was nothing I could do because of the heat, and after every song he bitched at me about it. I was done with it”.  At the end of the show, she told Eddie “‘I’m fucking done, I quit.”  A message was quickly relayed to Karrie that the band would not play a show without her.  When the dust settled, she received quite a substantial raise out of it!  

  • pleathermanpleatherman Posts: 398
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    Across the decades, Ed shared the stage many memorable times with his musical hero, Pete Townshend.  Astonishingly, this letter served as a catalyst for their first performance together.


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  • euchrideuchrid Posts: 448
    Posted this in response to a FB post questioning the "fad" of vinyl and thought this might be obscure enough to post here: Part of the story in relation to Pearl Jam at least, and why they always stuck with vinyl even when it was not a "fad" for most bands, is that CDs and other digital media degrade over time. It can sit on a shelf and not be played and eventually will be useless. Vinyl does not do this as is it physical. Someone can probably recall the article and quote (from Ed I believe) but one reason the band chose to keep releasing vinyl is that the Smithsonian uses vinyl for their collection of music for this very reason. If it is good enough for the Smithsonian and all... :)
  • While on the subject of Vitalogy, this is the original Frontline special “A Matter of the Mind” from 1986 that Eddie sampled to create the foundation for Stupid Mop.  To match some faces to familiar voices, start around 29:10.  Also skip to 38:24 for the song title.


    This entire thread is amazing so thank you for sharing the knowledge!

    This is completely unrelated to PJ but I watched the clips about Nancy from the Frontline episode and became incredibly sad for her. Does anyone know what happened to her since 1986?


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