Should the US institute a ban on assault weapons.

lastexitlondon said:

Why must anyone even hunt i do not understand? There must be other ways to spend your time that are creative rather than killing anything at all?
Im not from where you are but the love of nature and animals and people is universal i think.

brianlux said:

I'm with lastexit on the hunting issue.  I don't see any reason for it.  If you eat meat, there are alternatives that are not environmentally destructive, starting with vegetarian, of course.  But there are also low impact animal husbandry farms.  True, there aren't enough so that 7.6 billion people can gorge on meat the way Americans do, but in 2018, cutting down  or cutting out meat consumption makes the best sense. 

I've read plenty of articles that talk about hunting as a way to stabilize the overpopulation of deer  but that simply avoids the issue that deer are overpopulated because their natural predators have been killed of or driven off their habitat.  Hunting is an anthropocentric solution to a human caused problem.  The logical, natural, biocentric solution is to bring life back into balance by allowing ecosystems to restore to their natural balance.  In a balanced world, hunting might make sense for those who eat meat.  In the 2018 world, it's just another excuse for humans to see themselves as better or different than the rest of life which, I beg to argue, we are not.

Sorry, T, we agree on much, but I have to differ here.

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

I'm with lastexit on the hunting issue.  I don't see any reason for it.  If you eat meat, there are alternatives that are not environmentally destructive, starting with vegetarian, of course.  But there are also low impact animal husbandry farms.  True, there aren't enough so that 7.6 billion people can gorge on meat the way Americans do, but in 2018, cutting down  or cutting out meat consumption makes the best sense. 

I've read plenty of articles that talk about hunting as a way to stabilize the overpopulation of deer  but that simply avoids the issue that deer are overpopulated because their natural predators have been killed of or driven off their habitat.  Hunting is an anthropocentric solution to a human caused problem.  The logical, natural, biocentric solution is to bring life back into balance by allowing ecosystems to restore to their natural balance.  In a balanced world, hunting might make sense for those who eat meat.  In the 2018 world, it's just another excuse for humans to see themselves as better or different than the rest of life which, I beg to argue, we are not.

Sorry, T, we agree on much, but I have to differ here.

For the most part hunters are cowards ... you don’t need to apologize for your views...

Another thing about hunters ... sitting camaflouged in some sort of tree stand, ground cover, duck blind with a killing weapon does not make you anything but a coward ... and in many cases they have baited these areas to attract wildlife ... then BOOM, bye, bye wildlife.  Why don’t hunters take on a black bear with some good old fashion hand to bear paw combat...now that’s a sport I’d to see.

They don’t hunt for sustenance or health like they claim ... 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The attack on hunters is unwarranted in this context.

In the trophy hunting thread... I'd be arm in arm with you, but here it's not helpful.

Hunting for your own protein is more respectable than buying it from Costco. And to the vegetarian/naturalist types that flaunt their awesomeness... do you wear leather shoes? Do you drive your VW vans- smoke spewing from the tailpipes- to the logging protests? Do you have a dog or cat (Meltdown I see one in your avatar)? Do you feed them pet food? Do you know what's in pet food? Do you know how unethical the protein was raised in typical pet food? My point is: you're not as wholesome as you think and probably shouldn't flaunt yourself as the world's saviour.

Bentleyspop said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

I'm with lastexit on the hunting issue.  I don't see any reason for it.  If you eat meat, there are alternatives that are not environmentally destructive, starting with vegetarian, of course.  But there are also low impact animal husbandry farms.  True, there aren't enough so that 7.6 billion people can gorge on meat the way Americans do, but in 2018, cutting down  or cutting out meat consumption makes the best sense. 

I've read plenty of articles that talk about hunting as a way to stabilize the overpopulation of deer  but that simply avoids the issue that deer are overpopulated because their natural predators have been killed of or driven off their habitat.  Hunting is an anthropocentric solution to a human caused problem.  The logical, natural, biocentric solution is to bring life back into balance by allowing ecosystems to restore to their natural balance.  In a balanced world, hunting might make sense for those who eat meat.  In the 2018 world, it's just another excuse for humans to see themselves as better or different than the rest of life which, I beg to argue, we are not.

Sorry, T, we agree on much, but I have to differ here.

For the most part hunters are cowards ... you don’t need to apologize for your views...

Another thing about hunters ... sitting camaflouged in some sort of tree stand, ground cover, duck blind with a killing weapon does not make you anything but a coward ... and in many cases they have baited these areas to attract wildlife ... then BOOM, bye, bye wildlife.  Why don’t hunters take on a black bear with some good old fashion hand to bear paw combat...now that’s a sport I’d to see.

They don’t hunt for sustenance or health like they claim ... 

Support the right to arm bears

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The attack on hunters is unwarranted in this context.

In the trophy hunting thread... I'd be arm in arm with you, but here it's not helpful.

Hunting for your own protein is more respectable than buying it from Costco. And to the vegetarian/naturalist types that flaunt their awesomeness... do you wear leather shoes? Do you drive your VW vans- smoke spewing from the tailpipes- to the logging protests? Do you have a dog or cat (Meltdown I see one in your avatar)? Do you feed them pet food? Do you know what's in pet food? Do you know how unethical the protein was raised in typical pet food? My point is: you're not as wholesome as you think and probably shouldn't flaunt yourself as the world's saviour.

Totally agree as someone that does hunt, but does not hang skulls on my wall.  Taxidermy has never been my forte, but I have had some people tell me that they keep the “trophy” to remember the hunt (like taking a picture I guess). 
I simply prefer to know where the food that I feed my family comes from.  In my opinion, hunting for food is no less ethical than gardening for food.  And FYI to the anti-hunters, you are most definitely not going to pass any gun control efforts on the platform of “hunting is bad”.