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 So please start a “Why did the US overthrow Libya” thread or whatever you’d like to name it. If you want to post about Team Trump Treason and his policy toward Libya then this thread would be appropriate. But good luck with that.Big Bank Hank said:
 because we helped overthrow their governmentmy2hands said:WTF does Libya have to do do with anything? lol09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 I am anti-interventionist as well, unless the clear case of genocide, war crimes, etc. (Bosnia for example). But you posted a pro-Gadaffi meme that extols him. As far as whether more or less people have suffered since his 42 year reign of totalitarianism has ended, you cannot possibly answer that. No one knows the full extent of the crimes he committed against his people.Big Bank Hank said:
 and things are far worse in Libya we helped orchestrate his death, that is indisputable regardless which news source you use, everyone is in agreement on that, so if we hadn't gotten involved some people would suffer, but not nearly as many who have suffered since, was Ghaddafi a good person? No. Is what has happened since been worse? Yes. Would all the money and resource we committed to his removal been better used here in America? Undoubtedly. I am against us intervening unless it's WWII and a Hitler type figure emerges.mrussel1 said:
 Dude, you seriously need to stop getting your information from internet memes. Ghaddafi supplied those things to people of his party and supporters but brutally repressed and killed anyone of dissent. This includes the massive war crimes in Misrurata, his own people. "you can't believe something just because it's on the news,"... well you believe something just because it's on a meme. This is the 3rd or 4th you've pushed forward.Big Bank Hank said:Kat said:And you have to seriously examine "why" we tried to get other countries to become more democratic. There are issues of slaughtering and gassing civilians, etc. I can't recall the US interfering with other countries that treat their people well. There are many fine points about what our government does and I surely don't agree with everything but trying to do the right thing is important. Have a great weekend, everyone.  
 and Libya is far worse off, ISIS & Al Qaeda swept in and a lot of Libyans were slaughtered or enslaved, you can't believe something just because it's on the news, the media in this country is wrong more often than not, and the US Government is untruthful as much as it is truthful. Most of what we were fed on Libya was propaganda.0
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 no, the point is that we should be getting pushed into a war, for doing things we have done ourselves, it is in fact very relevant to all the Russian hysteria being pushed. I don't see any upside to getting into a nuclear war with Russia, and with this loose cannon in the White House a lot of people are failing to see the potential seriousness of pushing Russian Propaganda, a lot of which is pure fiction, we should be concerned more about all the stuff that needs to be fixed here, and no one is doing that, I promise you Mike Pence would be much worse.Halifax2TheMax said:
 So please start a “Why did the US overthrow Libya” thread or whatever you’d like to name it. If you want to post about Team Trump Treason and his policy toward Libya then this thread would be appropriate. But good luck with that.Big Bank Hank said:
 because we helped overthrow their governmentmy2hands said:WTF does Libya have to do do with anything? lol0
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 This is the Team Trump Treason thread. Topic/subject integrity.Big Bank Hank said:
 no, the point is that we should be getting pushed into a war, for doing things we have done ourselves, it is in fact very relevant to all the Russian hysteria being pushed. I don't see any upside to getting into a nuclear war with Russia, and with this loose cannon in the White House a lot of people are failing to see the potential seriousness of pushing Russian Propaganda, a lot of which is pure fiction, we should be concerned more about all the stuff that needs to be fixed here, and no one is doing that, I promise you Mike Pence would be much worse.Halifax2TheMax said:
 So please start a “Why did the US overthrow Libya” thread or whatever you’d like to name it. If you want to post about Team Trump Treason and his policy toward Libya then this thread would be appropriate. But good luck with that.Big Bank Hank said:
 because we helped overthrow their governmentmy2hands said:WTF does Libya have to do do with anything? lol09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 But Pence would be worse, just sayingHalifax2TheMax said:
 This is the Team Trump Treason thread. Topic/subject integrity.Big Bank Hank said:
 no, the point is that we should be getting pushed into a war, for doing things we have done ourselves, it is in fact very relevant to all the Russian hysteria being pushed. I don't see any upside to getting into a nuclear war with Russia, and with this loose cannon in the White House a lot of people are failing to see the potential seriousness of pushing Russian Propaganda, a lot of which is pure fiction, we should be concerned more about all the stuff that needs to be fixed here, and no one is doing that, I promise you Mike Pence would be much worse.Halifax2TheMax said:
 So please start a “Why did the US overthrow Libya” thread or whatever you’d like to name it. If you want to post about Team Trump Treason and his policy toward Libya then this thread would be appropriate. But good luck with that.Big Bank Hank said:
 because we helped overthrow their governmentmy2hands said:WTF does Libya have to do do with anything? lol    
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            Pence hasn’t been compromised to do Putin’s bidding. Pence wouldn’t get re-elected as POTUS. We could survive a year of Pence.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 who was the first to coin the ever often used phrase "Russia Russia Russia"?Big Bank Hank said:"Russia Hysteria Is Making US International Laughing Stock"- Noam Chomsky this is awesome, the Far Left are the only ones who seem to get how ridiculous this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MRQlC9wnok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MRQlC9wnok
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 yeah I don't think so, if Trump is doing Putin's bidding why did he bomb Russia's only foreign held military base in Syria?Halifax2TheMax said:Pence hasn’t been compromised to do Putin’s bidding. Pence wouldn’t get re-elected as POTUS. We could survive a year of Pence.0
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 You mean the one that was fully operationally just a few days later?Big Bank Hank said:
 yeah I don't think so, if Trump is doing Putin's bidding why did he bomb Russia's only foreign held military base in Syria?Halifax2TheMax said:Pence hasn’t been compromised to do Putin’s bidding. Pence wouldn’t get re-elected as POTUS. We could survive a year of Pence.
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            I think Trump is an idiot, and it speaks very poorly about our country that the only 2 legitimate choices we had for President were Trump & Hillary Clinton (honestly the only current Republican I could ever support would be Rand Paul)0
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            Please stop posting dumb memes. Reminds me of pjfanwillneverleave’s posts...www.myspace.com0
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            I think Pence would probably be worse as well. Wouldnt Pence be more effective than a Buffoon? Although Trump has gotten his supreme court pick and tax cuts. All Trump needs now is another war he can call his own and he will have scored the neocon trifecta.
 I also feel Bernie would of won. He defenitly would have syphoned some of the deplorable votes away from Trump. Enough, I believe, to make up the small vote differences in Michigan, Wisconson, and Pennsylvania. Not to mention the enthusiasm I feel his candidacy would have generated compared to that of Hillarys. Was anybody really excited to vote for Hillary? Guess we will never know for sure thanks to the rigged primaries.Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022 0
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 I will do as I feel, and you do as you feel, I would never try to impose my way of doing things on you, and neither should you on me, certainly it's your right to be critical, but at the end of the day, I really don't give a shitThe Juggler said:Please stop posting dumb memes. Reminds me of pjfanwillneverleave’s posts...0
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            Collusion Collusion Collusion!!
 Treason Treason Treason!!
 Sanctions Sanctions Sanctions!!
 Trump has already killed Russians in Syria, greatly escalated nuclear tensions with Russia, allowed the sale of arms to Ukraine (a move Obama refused for fear of angering Moscow), establishing a permanent military presence in Syria with the goal of effecting regime change, forced RTand Sputnik to register as foreign agents, expanded NATO with the addition of Montenegro, assigned Russia hawk Kurt Volker as special representative to Ukraine, shut down a Russian consulate in San Francisco and thrown out Russian diplomats as part of continued back-and-forth hostile diplomatic exchanges.
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 Someone was booted or suspended for posting meme after meme. I don't know if it's an official 10C rule, but it's definitely something enforced in the AMT.Big Bank Hank said:
 I will do as I feel, and you do as you feel, I would never try to impose my way of doing things on you, and neither should you on me, certainly it's your right to be critical, but at the end of the day, I really don't give a shitThe Juggler said:Please stop posting dumb memes. Reminds me of pjfanwillneverleave’s posts...0
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 And the one they warned ahead of time so the military assets could be removed? Yea, that really showed Putin.The Juggler said:
 You mean the one that was fully operationally just a few days later?Big Bank Hank said:
 yeah I don't think so, if Trump is doing Putin's bidding why did he bomb Russia's only foreign held military base in Syria?Halifax2TheMax said:Pence hasn’t been compromised to do Putin’s bidding. Pence wouldn’t get re-elected as POTUS. We could survive a year of Pence.
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 Apologist for tyrannyJC29856 said:Collusion Collusion Collusion!!
 Treason Treason Treason!!
 Sanctions Sanctions Sanctions!!
 Trump has already killed Russians in Syria, greatly escalated nuclear tensions with Russia, allowed the sale of arms to Ukraine (a move Obama refused for fear of angering Moscow), establishing a permanent military presence in Syria with the goal of effecting regime change, forced RTand Sputnik to register as foreign agents, expanded NATO with the addition of Montenegro, assigned Russia hawk Kurt Volker as special representative to Ukraine, shut down a Russian consulate in San Francisco and thrown out Russian diplomats as part of continued back-and-forth hostile diplomatic exchanges.0
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 credit for not Gish Galloping... appreciated! the short answer to your rambling in the other thread with respect the the 13 indictments is NOmrussel1 said:
 Apologist for tyrannyJC29856 said:Collusion Collusion Collusion!!
 Treason Treason Treason!!
 Sanctions Sanctions Sanctions!!
 Trump has already killed Russians in Syria, greatly escalated nuclear tensions with Russia, allowed the sale of arms to Ukraine (a move Obama refused for fear of angering Moscow), establishing a permanent military presence in Syria with the goal of effecting regime change, forced RTand Sputnik to register as foreign agents, expanded NATO with the addition of Montenegro, assigned Russia hawk Kurt Volker as special representative to Ukraine, shut down a Russian consulate in San Francisco and thrown out Russian diplomats as part of continued back-and-forth hostile diplomatic exchanges.
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 quick someone call the thread integrity police!Halifax2TheMax said:
 This is the Team Trump Treason thread. Topic/subject integrity.Big Bank Hank said:
 no, the point is that we should be getting pushed into a war, for doing things we have done ourselves, it is in fact very relevant to all the Russian hysteria being pushed. I don't see any upside to getting into a nuclear war with Russia, and with this loose cannon in the White House a lot of people are failing to see the potential seriousness of pushing Russian Propaganda, a lot of which is pure fiction, we should be concerned more about all the stuff that needs to be fixed here, and no one is doing that, I promise you Mike Pence would be much worse.Halifax2TheMax said:
 So please start a “Why did the US overthrow Libya” thread or whatever you’d like to name it. If you want to post about Team Trump Treason and his policy toward Libya then this thread would be appropriate. But good luck with that.Big Bank Hank said:
 because we helped overthrow their governmentmy2hands said:WTF does Libya have to do do with anything? lol
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 Why don’t you answer in the other thread? Why the secrecy? Gates plea got you down?JC29856 said:
 credit for not Gish Galloping... appreciated! the short answer to your rambling in the other thread with respect the the 13 indictments is NOmrussel1 said:
 Apologist for tyrannyJC29856 said:Collusion Collusion Collusion!!
 Treason Treason Treason!!
 Sanctions Sanctions Sanctions!!
 Trump has already killed Russians in Syria, greatly escalated nuclear tensions with Russia, allowed the sale of arms to Ukraine (a move Obama refused for fear of angering Moscow), establishing a permanent military presence in Syria with the goal of effecting regime change, forced RTand Sputnik to register as foreign agents, expanded NATO with the addition of Montenegro, assigned Russia hawk Kurt Volker as special representative to Ukraine, shut down a Russian consulate in San Francisco and thrown out Russian diplomats as part of continued back-and-forth hostile diplomatic exchanges.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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