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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,162
    Paul Ryan is complicit.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Who the fuck cares? They're both better than Ryan.  Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than hunt this shit down?

    Talking points are distributed.  Not hunted down.  
    JC didn't actually look at the webpage where he lists out some of his positions. I guess JC shall be very confused when ready to cast the vote in the Wisconsin first district. But I'm sure if the Stache added a /issues, then JC would have nothing to bitch about.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Who the fuck cares? They're both better than Ryan.  Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than hunt this shit down?

    Talking points are distributed.  Not hunted down.  
    JC didn't actually look at the webpage where he lists out some of his positions. I guess JC shall be very confused when ready to cast the vote in the Wisconsin first district. But I'm sure if the Stache added a /issues, then JC would have nothing to bitch about.
    My bad, please go ahead and tell me his "positions" on some "issues"?
    I'll help, what are Ironstache's position on these issues:
    Single Payer Health Care
    Fighting for Working People and a $15 minimum wage
    Climate Change
    Women’s Health Care and Reproductive Rights
    Campaign Finance Reform
    Comprehensive Immigration Reform

    https://youtu.be/IkdmOVejUlI

  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Who the fuck cares? They're both better than Ryan.  Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than hunt this shit down?

    Talking points are distributed.  Not hunted down.  
    JC didn't actually look at the webpage where he lists out some of his positions. I guess JC shall be very confused when ready to cast the vote in the Wisconsin first district. But I'm sure if the Stache added a /issues, then JC would have nothing to bitch about.
    My bad, please go ahead and tell me his "positions" on some "issues"?
    I'll help, what are Ironstache's position on these issues:
    Single Payer Health Care
    Fighting for Working People and a $15 minimum wage
    Climate Change
    Women’s Health Care and Reproductive Rights
    Campaign Finance Reform
    Comprehensive Immigration Reform



    Good thing you voted for Trump.

    You sure showed us how to get progressive policys passed. 

    Zero credibility.


  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Who the fuck cares? They're both better than Ryan.  Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than hunt this shit down?

    Talking points are distributed.  Not hunted down.  
    JC didn't actually look at the webpage where he lists out some of his positions. I guess JC shall be very confused when ready to cast the vote in the Wisconsin first district. But I'm sure if the Stache added a /issues, then JC would have nothing to bitch about.
    My bad, please go ahead and tell me his "positions" on some "issues"?
    I'll help, what are Ironstache's position on these issues:
    Single Payer Health Care
    Fighting for Working People and a $15 minimum wage
    Climate Change
    Women’s Health Care and Reproductive Rights
    Campaign Finance Reform
    Comprehensive Immigration Reform

    https://youtu.be/IkdmOVejUlI

    He's on teh opposite side of you and Trump.  It's that simple.  Other than that, I'll let someone from Wisconsin 1st weigh in on what they think of the two candidates, because frankly your opinion means jack shit related to it.  
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Who the fuck cares? They're both better than Ryan.  Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than hunt this shit down?

    Talking points are distributed.  Not hunted down.  
    JC didn't actually look at the webpage where he lists out some of his positions. I guess JC shall be very confused when ready to cast the vote in the Wisconsin first district. But I'm sure if the Stache added a /issues, then JC would have nothing to bitch about.
    My bad, please go ahead and tell me his "positions" on some "issues"?
    I'll help, what are Ironstache's position on these issues:
    Single Payer Health Care
    Fighting for Working People and a $15 minimum wage
    Climate Change
    Women’s Health Care and Reproductive Rights
    Campaign Finance Reform
    Comprehensive Immigration Reform

    https://youtu.be/IkdmOVejUlI

    He's on teh opposite side of you and Trump.  It's that simple.  Other than that, I'll let someone from Wisconsin 1st weigh in on what they think of the two candidates, because frankly your opinion means jack shit related to it.  
    Lets not complicate things, this is a simple issue.
    I'm curious exactly to where "he lists out some of his positions" as you stated above? Wasn't that your claim?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    dignin said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Who the fuck cares? They're both better than Ryan.  Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than hunt this shit down?

    Talking points are distributed.  Not hunted down.  
    JC didn't actually look at the webpage where he lists out some of his positions. I guess JC shall be very confused when ready to cast the vote in the Wisconsin first district. But I'm sure if the Stache added a /issues, then JC would have nothing to bitch about.
    My bad, please go ahead and tell me his "positions" on some "issues"?
    I'll help, what are Ironstache's position on these issues:
    Single Payer Health Care
    Fighting for Working People and a $15 minimum wage
    Climate Change
    Women’s Health Care and Reproductive Rights
    Campaign Finance Reform
    Comprehensive Immigration Reform



    Good thing you voted for Trump.

    You sure showed us how to get progressive policys passed. 

    Zero credibility.


    Weird how a tRump supporter is out here thumping on progressive/liberal purity tests. 

    Must be part of the strategy to pit your opponent against itself. Trying to cause strife within the party. 

    The projection is strong here. 
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Who the fuck cares? They're both better than Ryan.  Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than hunt this shit down?

    Talking points are distributed.  Not hunted down.  
    JC didn't actually look at the webpage where he lists out some of his positions. I guess JC shall be very confused when ready to cast the vote in the Wisconsin first district. But I'm sure if the Stache added a /issues, then JC would have nothing to bitch about.
    Lets try to help out those in Wisconsin...once you list Bryces positions on some issues, specifically those listed in bold on his website, I will forward them to his campaign people so they can post them on the website. Shouldn't those voters in Wisconsin know where Ironstache stands in order to make the most informed decision?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    If you cant beat'em, cheat'em - that didnt work
    If you cant beat'em, delete'em - that didnt work
    If you can beat'em, be'em!!

    Young Trump!
    #trump2.0

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-speech-response/in-step-to-national-stage-a-young-kennedy-to-rebut-trump-address-idUSKBN1FF0FZ

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited January 2018
    Are you functionally illiterate or unable to formulate a conclusion based on "context clues" (hint, kids learn that in 2nd grade now)?  The "bolding" is mine to make it easier for you this time around.

    But let me type it slowly so you can clearly understand... Who.....fucking......cares......  He's better than Ryan.  If the good people of the First district demand more details before the election, well I'm sure they will them.  There are 7 months before primary.  Get a fucking grip.  

    • Instead of fighting for a Single Payer Health Care system that will ensure that all of us can be healthy and receive treatment, Speaker Ryan is working on taking health care away from up to 32 million Americans, while giving huge tax cuts to billionaires and millionaires.
    • Instead of Fighting for Working People and lifting the economic floor by fighting for a $15 minimum wage, investments in our workforce, and support for organized labor and tax fairness, Speaker Ryan has presided over the erosion of our economy across Southeastern Wisconsin over the past 20 years, as unfair trade deals, the loss of manufacturing jobs and failure to jumpstart the industries of the future have hollowed out our economy.
    • Instead of committing our country to reversing Climate Change, investing in renewable energy, and protecting the environment, Speaker Ryan is standing in the way of progress, applauding as the US retreats from an international commitment to preserve our planet.
    • Instead of defending Women’s Health Care and Reproductive Rights, Speaker Ryan wants to strip away a woman’s right to choose, and access to basic health care like mammograms, cancer screenings and birth control.
    • Instead of committing to real Campaign Finance Reform that empowers people—like overturning the destructive Citizens United decision, standing up to cynical voter suppression efforts, and increasing participation in our democracy—Speaker Ryan is defending a damaged status quo that coddles corporations, the rich and the powerful.
    • Instead of pursuing Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Speaker Ryan has accepted a broken system that continues to tear families apart and goes against everything our country stands for and has sat idly by while our neighbors—his constituents—right here in Southeast Wisconsin live in fear of deportation.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,162
    JC29856 said:
    If you cant beat'em, cheat'em - that didnt work
    If you cant beat'em, delete'em - that didnt work
    If you can beat'em, be'em!!

    Young Trump!
    #trump2.0

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-speech-response/in-step-to-national-stage-a-young-kennedy-to-rebut-trump-address-idUSKBN1FF0FZ

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    If you perjured yourself, 3D.
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    If you banged a porn star after your wife just gave birth to your first child with her, 3D.
    3D, D’ing hard for the love!
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    History, demographics and the national mood are pointing to one conclusion about the 2018 congressional races: Democrats are well-positioned to bring one-party government in Washington under Donald Trump’s presidency to a screeching halt.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-midterm-elections-preview/
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,162
    dignin said:
    History, demographics and the national mood are pointing to one conclusion about the 2018 congressional races: Democrats are well-positioned to bring one-party government in Washington under Donald Trump’s presidency to a screeching halt.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-midterm-elections-preview/
    But I thought Team Trump Treason’s brilliant brilliance would lead to a tidal wave of repube brilliancy sweeping the republic?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The "Democratic" Party!!!

    http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21008:Democratic-Establishment-Tries-To-Keep-Progressives-Off-Congressional-Ballots

    Democratic Establishment Tries To Keep Progressives Off Congressional Ballots

    Several congressional candidates are facing expensive lawsuits from the Democratic establishment, who are challenging their ballot petitions
    http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21025:California-Democratic-Party-Shields-Top-Dems-From-Primary-Challengers

    California Democratic Party Shields Top Dems From Primary Challengers

    Despite petition challenges from primary opponents, the California Democratic Party formally endorsed Nancy Pelosi and House Speaker Anthony Rendon

    https://youtu.be/kFmsKFifRTE




  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,162
    JC29856 said:
    The "Democratic" Party!!!

    http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21008:Democratic-Establishment-Tries-To-Keep-Progressives-Off-Congressional-Ballots

    Democratic Establishment Tries To Keep Progressives Off Congressional Ballots

    Several congressional candidates are facing expensive lawsuits from the Democratic establishment, who are challenging their ballot petitions
    http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21025:California-Democratic-Party-Shields-Top-Dems-From-Primary-Challengers

    California Democratic Party Shields Top Dems From Primary Challengers

    Despite petition challenges from primary opponents, the California Democratic Party formally endorsed Nancy Pelosi and House Speaker Anthony Rendon

    https://youtu.be/kFmsKFifRTE




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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    I love how 90% of what JC says gets blown up as deliberately or ignorantly inaccurate, but it doesn't dissuade him... he just moves right on to the next piece of propaganda.  Really impressive stuff.  
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Rolling out a Kennedy for the SOTU rebuttal shows how tone deaf the Dems are. Dangerous times. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    I love how 90% of what JC says gets blown up as deliberately or ignorantly inaccurate, but it doesn't dissuade him... he just moves right on to the next piece of propaganda.  Really impressive stuff.  
    He likes to keep things simple...like Jack.

    Image result for tropic thunder simple jack
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,162
    Picked up another “win” in a special election. Tired of winning yet?

    Democrats Take Florida District That Went Narrowly For Trump - HuffPost https://apple.news/AXlxS3QAnSje3_KN8Gldkhg
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  • JC29856
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    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    Here is what democrats are actually doing to fight racism against non-whites.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-cory-booker-introduce-bill-remove-confederate-statues-052404285--abc-news-topstories.html

    Sen. Cory Booker says he plans to introduce bill to remove Confederate statues from Capitol

    Because there just might be enough votes to pass it and dare Trump to veto it.
    CAMPAIGN ADVERTISING 101
    https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/sen-booker-co-sponsoring-bernie-sanders-medicare-bill/

    hmmm?...deja vu California dreaming


    Booker is not the only high-profile Democratic senator to announce his support for the plan. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and California Sen. Kamala Harris have already announced they are co-sponsoring Sanders’ bill. Warren, Harris and Booker are widely considered to be top contenders for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination.
    Advertising 101
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/12/kirsten-gillibrand-backs-bernie-sanders-bill-single-payer-health-care/657285001/
    At a certain point, people you disagree with are going to promote things you agree with because it is the most positive for their brand. If you are looking for righteousness as the primary motive for political aspirations, you are not understanding the basis of human nature, and certainly not of politicians - those who serve to structure power to gain themselves more of it.

    We do what is best for ourselves, and on a short enough scale as one human life (especially with the age of typical politicians), what is best for us personally typically is not what is best for us collectively. Trump could buy a Hummer, and have gasoline-powered flamethrowers coming out of the back of it, and he will still most likely never personally or materially suffer the consequences of carbon emissions. 

    If you believe any of this, then you're going to have to ask yourself - if someone you disagree with promotes something you agree with for a reason you disagree with, will you support them? Or will you stay rigid in your stance that anyone whose name contains vowels and/or consonants is insincere and thus unsupportable? If you disagree with my opinion, I'd love to hear why.
    I'll answer but first I need a better understanding of what you mean and what you are asking, but before that let me say a few things to clarify and bring those that havent been following along up to speed. First off lets make clear that single payer and medicare for all are not the same, althou most if not all of the links I posted previously use those terms interchangeably. Im not going to get into the differences or similarities, if anyone cares they can research themselves. The point is as I have posted single payer is NOT medicare for all. Second, the point of my posts and repeat posts are to illustrate just how disingenuous California democrats have been when they pushed for single payer legislation under Republican control, knowing it would never pass. Now that Cal Dems have control and can actually pass single payer, they shelf it. Why? Besides control in Cal from GOP to Dem, what changed?

    IMO we are seeing the same thing (disingenuous democrats) play out on the national level, certain Democrats are behind "single payer" medicare for all" knowing that it has zero chance of even being called to a vote, let alone passed and signed by Trump (if you think single payer or medicare for all has any chance of being called to a vote stop right here, dont waste your remaining brain cells reading any further). Can I not question the motivations for such actions and offer my opinions as to why this game is played (free advertising, now and in the future, when your name is in the presidential hat)?
     
    Now on to your reply, immediately Im confused as to your choice of the word "brand". I am and have referred to elected civil servants who's job is to serve their constituents, not Kyle Jenner and whatever her job is. Explain what you mean by "brand" in the context of politicians/political processes?
    Even thou I think your asking me if I will waste my time and efforts and support total horse shit, Ill answer your question as simply as possible, yes I will support ANYONE if they (honestly sincerely fight for) promote something that I believe is right. Ill support ANYONE who (honestly and sincerely) pushes for healthcare as an entitlement versus a commodity, regardless of their reasons. I do not and will not support horse shit lip service.
    Weeks if not months ago I posted just how horse shitty ironstache and harris are (fyi for the alt-stupid, one is a white male, the other is a black female)
    My questions: Are you suggestion that one should support harris booker (fill in the next presidential hopeful, gillibrand, kaine, liz) etc because they are behind single payer even thou they are only doing it for political expediency/free advertising/branding to use your term? Why would anyone waste their time or efforts supporting a candidate that is obviously intellectually dishonest / political expedient?
    Single payer and medicare for all isnt going anywhere and likely never will in our lifetime. Check the political contributions and pac money from health insurance companies, pharma and the like. More-so than money and power those currently in control (and some Dems too) think single payer is socialism, that obama and obamacare are the stepping stone to FREE healthcare for food stampers.  
    (for those that arent following along, please try to stay on topic)
    hmm?? who could have seen this coming months ago??





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