New Ticket Policy Changes Simplified

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

P34RL J4MM3R said:

Lerxst1992 said:

^^I recall using TM e tix and it had a moving animation on the ticket. Seems easy to combat fake screenshots.

This person has it.  Because it's going to be an app and not an e-mail or a text, your ticket has to be pulled up on the app.  Once it is pulled up on the app, there will be animations that the people holding the scanners are instructed to look for.  When they see the animations, then they will scan the codes.  If they don't see the animations, they will ask you to pull up the app, if you can't show the animations, they won't scan the static code.  This is how they'll make it harder to sell tix and make the buyer use at least one ticket.

And this process is sloooow.

People not ready when they are going to be admitted... fumbling with their phones, people checking tix are slow with the equipment, the equipment stalls or malfunctions...

... the lines begin to form.

Fenway was already bad enough with people getting in their seats in 2016. I fear this year is going to be even worse and that curfew is killer. 

UseUrIllusions said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but say I have a dozen ticketmaster accounts, technically I can register a dozen times? 

The Jack White codes were the same for each city, so was something else I did this for. 

UseUrIllusions said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but say I have a dozen ticketmaster accounts, technically I can register a dozen times? 

This is exactly what Verified Fan seeks to eliminate (on a much larger level).  When you register for Verified Fan for a specific show or tour, you enter your email, name, and your phone number associated with your account.  If Ticketmaster sees 12 accounts linking to the same phone number, you're likely to get flagged as a scalper and not receive anything.  Now if, for instance, you and your wife both have different phone numbers and TM accounts, that's a different story.  But if you have 12 accounts, you're gonna want to have 12 different valid phone numbers and names for those.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

P34RL J4MM3R said:

Lerxst1992 said:

^^I recall using TM e tix and it had a moving animation on the ticket. Seems easy to combat fake screenshots.

This person has it.  Because it's going to be an app and not an e-mail or a text, your ticket has to be pulled up on the app.  Once it is pulled up on the app, there will be animations that the people holding the scanners are instructed to look for.  When they see the animations, then they will scan the codes.  If they don't see the animations, they will ask you to pull up the app, if you can't show the animations, they won't scan the static code.  This is how they'll make it harder to sell tix and make the buyer use at least one ticket.

And this process is sloooow.

People not ready when they are going to be admitted... fumbling with their phones, people checking tix are slow with the equipment, the equipment stalls or malfunctions...

... the lines begin to form.

total speculation. I have season tickets that are all digital. Entry is no different than with paper tickets. Takes the same amount of time. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Eddieredder said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

P34RL J4MM3R said:

Lerxst1992 said:

^^I recall using TM e tix and it had a moving animation on the ticket. Seems easy to combat fake screenshots.

This person has it.  Because it's going to be an app and not an e-mail or a text, your ticket has to be pulled up on the app.  Once it is pulled up on the app, there will be animations that the people holding the scanners are instructed to look for.  When they see the animations, then they will scan the codes.  If they don't see the animations, they will ask you to pull up the app, if you can't show the animations, they won't scan the static code.  This is how they'll make it harder to sell tix and make the buyer use at least one ticket.

And this process is sloooow.

People not ready when they are going to be admitted... fumbling with their phones, people checking tix are slow with the equipment, the equipment stalls or malfunctions...

... the lines begin to form.

total speculation. I have season tickets that are all digital. Entry is no different than with paper tickets. Takes the same amount of time. 

I know, but I do have a painful experience with this sort of thing- the only other time a concert I've been to featured such a model.

We always go in early so lines shouldn't be too much of a problem but still. I share your concern.

From the Faithful Form show just aired today:

10c Tickets will be distributed through Ticketmaster. It sounded like for transfers, you'd get a notification and can log in with the App or a browser, and create your account then and there if you didn't already have one.

Assuming that means initially 10c sends a link to the tickets to the lottery winner and they log into TM to get access to the QR Codes...

on2legs said:

Not sure I’m happy to know that Ticketmaster will be responsible for determining seniority and distributing tickets fairly. 

Ticketmaster is just providing the QR to get in. I’m sure 10c will be providing the seat assignments for each 10c ticket. Why does everyone immediately jump to some worst case scenario. 

vant0037 said:

Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show.  If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub?  So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show.  I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.

Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?

I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.

Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.

SmallestOceans said:

vant0037 said:

Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show.  If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub?  So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show.  I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.

Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?

I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.

Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.

That doesnt really address my point. If a “real fan” is in 10c, has disposable income and doesnt care to pay for two sets of tickets to each show, knowing that they can only use one pair and can only resell one ticket from the second pair, isn’t it likely they will still put in for every pair they can, and eat that extra ticket?  Meaning, people who can afford it have an ability if not an incentive to buy up say 3 of every 4 tickets, leaving a single ticket going to waste.

so the question is: does this fix anything?  It disincentivizes regular members from putting in for multiple shows (eg married couples who each have an account) because the risk of getting drawn for tickets you can’t use is too high, which in turn should create more quantities of tickets available. But where do those tickets go?  The remaining accounts, which again, in some part will be people who are willing to “waste” a ticket or pair if it means they will get tickets at all.  This will result in more unused tickets and less tickets being used by “real fans.”

So I agree...you can’t please everyone.  This is a truth that begs the question: what are they fixing with this change?

pjl44 said:

vant0037 said:

SmallestOceans said:

vant0037 said:

Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show.  If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub?  So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show.  I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.

Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?

I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.

Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.

That doesnt really address my point. If a “real fan” is in 10c, has disposable income and doesnt care to pay for two sets of tickets to each show, knowing that they can only use one pair and can only resell one ticket from the second pair, isn’t it likely they will still put in for every pair they can, and eat that extra ticket?  Meaning, people who can afford it have an ability if not an incentive to buy up say 3 of every 4 tickets, leaving a single ticket going to waste.

so the question is: does this fix anything?  It disincentivizes regular members from putting in for multiple shows (eg married couples who each have an account) because the risk of getting drawn for tickets you can’t use is too high, which in turn should create more quantities of tickets available. But where do those tickets go?  The remaining accounts, which again, in some part will be people who are willing to “waste” a ticket or pair if it means they will get tickets at all.  This will result in more unused tickets and less tickets being used by “real fans.”

So I agree...you can’t please everyone.  This is a truth that begs the question: what are they fixing with this change?

They could just transfer it to another fan here, no? Since we're getting them a little further in advance, it might even be more efficient. Cuts out the flake factor when you have to pick up day-of.

You can transfer one ticket from each pair...so for a household of two fans (not uncommon), you use two, transfer one, but eat the other.

Someone please take pro on this. What am I missing?