whats wrong with live concerts these days...

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  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    When I was 16, moshing and pushing your way to the front was part of the deal - an expectancy if you will. Beer was spilled and we didn't care, but now, I just don't know....

    Oh wait, I do. People keep getting killed at shows for being too drunk, too aggressive, too doped up, or too violent. Give me a seat in a massive venue where I can see the band any day, ensure my safety and still enjoy one hell of a show.

    It's not what's wrong with shows, it's what's wrong with the people that go to them and ruin it for the rest of us who can handle GA attendance and not be idiots.
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  • Fatal
    Fatal Posts: 821
    I've been in my share of "mosh pits" as well and i will take a seat any day. I got enough Doc Martins to the head to last me a lifetime...
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  • angryyoungman
    angryyoungman Medford, NY Posts: 1,028
    i dont know, you guys are kinda lame. . .mosh pits are cool and add to the concert expierience, so long as there arent assholes swinging fists trying to hurt people or 250 lb dudes crowd surfing, i dont see what the problem is. . .ill take that over the lame asses who sit in their seats and pout because the other people around them arent as lame as they are. . .just my opinion
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    angryyoungman wrote:
    i dont know, you guys are kinda lame. . .mosh pits are cool and add to the concert expierience, so long as there arent assholes swinging fists trying to hurt people or 250 lb dudes crowd surfing, i dont see what the problem is. . .ill take that over the lame asses who sit in their seats and pout because the other people around them arent as lame as they are. . .just my opinion

    i agree. personally i dont wade into the moshpit that much, it depends on the crowd. though i do like to get as close as i can without being sucked into the vortex. the reason is cause im claustrophobic and after awhile i get anxious and cant breath. i also like to drink and you cant do that in the pit. so more often than not i stand back where i can watch the guys and girls go nuts. and yeah i wish i was down there among them. but i get a kick out of watching them go wild. must be the anthropologist in me. ;):D
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  • joint in a tree
    joint in a tree Posts: 392
    red mos wrote:
    Sadly, I am seriously considering passing on Toadies in December only due to the venue. It's nothing but standing room with maybe a few seats at the bar. I have seen Toadies multiple times, one of my favorite bands, but at all GA only shows the crowd just does not behave reasonably. :(



    DO NOT PASS ON THE TOADIES.
    I saw them 2x recently at small New York GA venues (Webster Hall and Bowery Ballroom)
    The crowd was well behaved and the shows rocked. Minimal moshing, mostly just bouncing and fist pumping.

    At the last one, (Webster) I was concerned because I am pregnant, and I didn't wanna have to hang in the back the whole time.... I found a nice big block to sit on (An unused speaker, perhaps, about 6 feet high), 8 feet from the stage with a perfect view of the band and the crowd. (Right on Clark's side!)

    i repeat, do NOT pass on the Toadies!!!
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  • ediger
    ediger Posts: 308
    moshing is fun when you're 15... not so much afterwards.

    I don't want to stand there with my arms folded, but I don't want some fucking prick hitting me from behind. Quick way to get my foot planted up your asshole
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  • inhiding 1976
    inhiding 1976 NWI Posts: 580
    Screaming drunken nonsence. "I love you Eddie" "Go Cubbies" "Yellow Ledbetter" (during the 1st song of the night) "Pardon me, can my friend sit here". This all sucks.

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  • red mos
    red mos Posts: 4,953
    SOLAT319 wrote:
    I can't believe Toadies are still around. I saw them back in 1998 and they had this really weird opening band. During the encore, the frontman of the opening band came out wearing a full-head donkey mask and danced around.

    Yeah, the Toadies got back together and just put out a new album called "no deliverance" back in August.
    I have met the band several times (Todd has even given me Backstage passes to a few shows).
    The first time I saw them was a one off reunion in Dallas for the St. Patricks day parade back in 2006. That was the worst pit ever. I only lasted 5 songs front row on the rail and had to get out, and trying to get through that drunken fueled pit was a night mare.
    I love the Toadies, I just don't like seeing them in a standing room only environment becuse the crowds do not behave and people start fights. When they play Verizon wireless, I can get a seat, but the last 3 shows they played there I got VIP area seats / backstage pass with their working crew and management.
    I'll probably go, I just hope the crowd behaves. I have heard as of recently the Toadies have been addressing the crowd to rock out but be nice and respect each other which has toned the behavior down some. I hope that's true. I am just scared shitless of pits cause I am not very big, and I literally thought I was gonna die/ pass out at the first Toadies show. The new album is awesome, you should check it out, if you get the chance.
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  • heather_honey
    heather_honey Posts: 140
    I was just at a Bob Dylan show in NYC last week and there was a guy who was unbelievably intoxicated coming up the aisle of the orchestra. I was in the back of the orch, he was coming from WAY up front (lucky bum!). As he's making his way towards the back, we're all standing and dancing and he's shouting, "Why is everyone standing up back here?!" My best guess is because we weren't falling down drunk like he was.....

    I think it's lame when people go and just sit down (acoustic shows excluded). Go home and put on a dvd for that....
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  • bryanfury
    bryanfury Posts: 461
    as "principal vedder" said at Borgata, "its called growing up"

    i realized my moshing days were behind me when i saw a dude get a bloody lip during a goo goo dolls show.
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    when moshing first came about it wasnt what it became with the body smashing...moshing used to be a huge group in unison going around in a circle dancing around and having a good time...then some idiots decided to evolve it into smashing into each other which caused alot of injuries and fights

    i used to mosh back in the day then it turned into what it is now and i have no part of it now..i would rather just sit back and enjoy the show from afar if thats the case
  • Piper At The Gates
    Piper At The Gates Posts: 460
    I miss the days when you could get a contact high from just being at a show. The good old 70's when seeing bands like Pink Floyd, Allman Brothers, Deep Purple, Robin Trower, etc. was a stone party where everyone just kind of swayed the same way because they were all buzzed on something good.
  • Stu42
    Stu42 Posts: 178
    Just cause its general admission doesn't mean theres moshing. The last couple shows I saw in clubs (North Mississippi Allstars and Flobots) either didnt have a pit or had a small one that wasn't all that violent. I'd say the real shame is that Pearl Jam isn't going to get to do GA venues for a long time if ever. I was so dissappointed to have my first pearl jam show in an arena, awful way to experience a band live (granted the show was absolutely awesome, but I still would have rather had standing room in front of the band, not the lame fold out chairs)
  • *Toastie
    *Toastie Posts: 59
    Ive been in pits where everyone respects each other and there is enough room that your not struggling to breath and those are great! You dont have to worry about surviving. And then ive been in other mosh pits like RATM (yeah i should have seen it coming) where i got totally slammed and it took alot of the joy out of the show. I love going to a pearl jam show and having my own space that i dont have to fight to keep and i can just enjoy the music. I dont think there would ever be a "calm" pit at a pearl jam show so ill take the seats everytime.

    But yeah i do not understand why you would go to a rock concert and sit down...that is beyond me. I wish those people wouldnt even turn up.
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  • LiteTheMatch
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    Go to a Manu Chao concert! That will tire you out so much
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  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    pjalive21 wrote:
    when moshing first came about it wasnt what it became with the body smashing...moshing used to be a huge group in unison going around in a circle dancing around and having a good time...

    That still happens at plenty of the good punk shows (Rancid, Tiger Army, Street Dogs....). I'm a little old now to be IN it, but I love to see it and be near it.
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  • flyinwhole313
    flyinwhole313 Posts: 1,651
    jorgems wrote:
    Almost every concert you go these days is in an indoor arena with popcorn for Christ sakes! Sitting down, one seat per person, etc.

    What happenned to the good old days, hardcore shows, people flying around being carried, etc. Turns out you cant even have a beer in the parking lot in most venues without someone coming to bust ya...

    Dont you miss that sometimes?

    Thank Big Government for that.
  • southerngarden
    southerngarden Posts: 512
    i didnt even bother to read the 3 pages of responses but i want to say to the OP...

    ...youre going to the wrong shows and seeing the wrong bands in the wrong arenas...
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    jorgems wrote:
    Almost every concert you go these days is in an indoor arena with popcorn for Christ sakes! Sitting down, one seat per person, etc.

    What happenned to the good old days, hardcore shows, people flying around being carried, etc. Turns out you cant even have a beer in the parking lot in most venues without someone coming to bust ya...

    Dont you miss that sometimes?

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  • not for me?
    not for me? Posts: 501
    I don't know what shitty shows you guys have been to, but every show I have ever attended, me and everyone in sight is standing, singing, dancing, jumping and just feeling the music. I've been to a couple thrash metal shows with some of my thrasher friends before, and that's not fun at all. Getting elbowed in the head, tripped to the ground and stomped on is not a fun time. Then trying to get up and out with a bloody face a throbbing head while being stomped on and kicked is not a good at all. I will never mosh again haha.
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