jeffbr said:

I know JC gets shit on a lot here (and often for valid reasons), but this is actually a worthy topic. Anyone who values freedom should be pissed off at those 55 dems, especially dem leadership like Pelosi and Schiff. Thankfully my dem representative didn't vote with those traitors. Anyone who supports warrentless surveillance of Americans is anti-freedom and clearly doesn't value Constitutional protections (like the 4th Amendment). I expect that out of the GOP these days. I was hoping the dems were a little more principled. Fuck all 55 on that list.

Go Beavers said:

But aren’t we supposed to be afraid of ISIS and all those Muslims? 

ACLU OPPOSES NEW SURVEILLANCE BILL

“We strongly oppose this legislation,” said Neema Singh Guliani, ACLU legislative counsel. “This bill is not reform by any stretch of the imagination. It leaves the door wide open to abusive surveillance practices that allow the government to search the intimate emails, text messages, and other sensitive data of Americans without a warrant of any kind. This could easily permit Section 702 to be used as a tool to improperly target minorities, government critics, and marginalized communities.”

She continued, “Congress should abandon efforts to pass this legislation and reject the false assertion that this type of illegal surveillance power is needed to protect national security. Instead, they should require the government to get a warrant when searching through Section 702 data looking for information of American citizens and residents.”

The bill gives the FBI and other federal agencies wide latitude to search through Section 702 data looking for information about Americans without a warrant, even before an active investigation has been opened. In addition, the bill’s language risks being read as a codification and expansion of certain illegal government practices such as collecting communications that are not to or from a surveillance target, including domestic communications.

Halifax2TheMax said:

jeffbr said:

Go Beavers said:

But aren’t we supposed to be afraid of ISIS and all those Muslims? 

That's what both parties hope we believe. That's how the Patriot Act was able to be passed, renewed and expanded. Bush, Obama, Trump administrations, Democrat and Republican controlled congresses all want expanded powers of surveillance over us, using Al Queda, ISIS, Muslims or whatever other boogymen they can conjure as the excuse.

ACLU OPPOSES NEW SURVEILLANCE BILL

“We strongly oppose this legislation,” said Neema Singh Guliani, ACLU legislative counsel. “This bill is not reform by any stretch of the imagination. It leaves the door wide open to abusive surveillance practices that allow the government to search the intimate emails, text messages, and other sensitive data of Americans without a warrant of any kind. This could easily permit Section 702 to be used as a tool to improperly target minorities, government critics, and marginalized communities.”

She continued, “Congress should abandon efforts to pass this legislation and reject the false assertion that this type of illegal surveillance power is needed to protect national security. Instead, they should require the government to get a warrant when searching through Section 702 data looking for information of American citizens and residents.”

The bill gives the FBI and other federal agencies wide latitude to search through Section 702 data looking for information about Americans without a warrant, even before an active investigation has been opened. In addition, the bill’s language risks being read as a codification and expansion of certain illegal government practices such as collecting communications that are not to or from a surveillance target, including domestic communications.

But why is it that everyone harps on the Dems for this type of shit? Because you know, if the Dems vote against any "terrorism" related bill, they'll be painted as soft on terrorism. And republicans are always harping on being the party of individual freedoms and getting government off your back, unless its terrorism, abortion and pot smoking. Where's the twitterage listing all of the repubes who voted for the bill? Where's the Twitterager at Team Trump Treason, the same Team Trump Treason who blames it for him being surveilled? Where's 3D and his scathing D'ing of repubes? 

Halifax2TheMax said:

jeffbr said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

jeffbr said:

Go Beavers said:

But aren’t we supposed to be afraid of ISIS and all those Muslims? 

That's what both parties hope we believe. That's how the Patriot Act was able to be passed, renewed and expanded. Bush, Obama, Trump administrations, Democrat and Republican controlled congresses all want expanded powers of surveillance over us, using Al Queda, ISIS, Muslims or whatever other boogymen they can conjure as the excuse.

ACLU OPPOSES NEW SURVEILLANCE BILL

“We strongly oppose this legislation,” said Neema Singh Guliani, ACLU legislative counsel. “This bill is not reform by any stretch of the imagination. It leaves the door wide open to abusive surveillance practices that allow the government to search the intimate emails, text messages, and other sensitive data of Americans without a warrant of any kind. This could easily permit Section 702 to be used as a tool to improperly target minorities, government critics, and marginalized communities.”

She continued, “Congress should abandon efforts to pass this legislation and reject the false assertion that this type of illegal surveillance power is needed to protect national security. Instead, they should require the government to get a warrant when searching through Section 702 data looking for information of American citizens and residents.”

The bill gives the FBI and other federal agencies wide latitude to search through Section 702 data looking for information about Americans without a warrant, even before an active investigation has been opened. In addition, the bill’s language risks being read as a codification and expansion of certain illegal government practices such as collecting communications that are not to or from a surveillance target, including domestic communications.

But why is it that everyone harps on the Dems for this type of shit? Because you know, if the Dems vote against any "terrorism" related bill, they'll be painted as soft on terrorism. And republicans are always harping on being the party of individual freedoms and getting government off your back, unless its terrorism, abortion and pot smoking. Where's the twitterage listing all of the repubes who voted for the bill? Where's the Twitterager at Team Trump Treason, the same Team Trump Treason who blames it for him being surveilled? Where's 3D and his scathing D'ing of repubes? 

I have plenty of outrage for Republicans, and express that often. I think the outrage at the Dems here is because it is expected that Republicans will go for this sort of thing. They were the original instigators of the power grab with the Patriot Act. I expect the opposition party to work in opposition, especially for something so fundamental. So that is why my outrage at those 55 Dems today. It should not be taboo to call out anyone behaving badly, regardless of party.

I've googled looking for the repubes who voted for the bill but its not posted yet, that I've been able to find. I'm old and my eyesight is failing so someone help me out and post a link. I want to see all who are "accountable."

Go Beavers said:

It’s always been supported by a certain number of Dems. 

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JC29856 said:

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And now he is suing former FBI Director James Comey and other government figures, alleging the bureau has covered up evidence he provided them showing widespread spying on Americans that violated civil liberties.

Where were you during the Bush Administration? Is this new news? D’ing hard for the dolla!

Since you mention Bush, how about an email that Bush and Turd Blossom star in!

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reporters and high government officialsa**some of whom were named by an
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https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/47/475107_agents-bush-firings-obstructed-sex-spy-probe-.html


https://youtu.be/tzuJXqgsiSM