Why did they boo Eddie?

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

sweeperman said:

They booed because he was talking / lecturing.  It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.  

We can hear our parents lecture us for free.

Sing, Sing. Sing

if you don't know what to expect at an EV/PJ show, then that's your own fault. 

I know what to expect when I go in for a root canal. 
Just because they know what to expect doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.

I agree they have the right to say and do whatever they want. They've also earned it at this point. But I also see the point with ticket prices now approaching $100 each, and many spend 10 times that in travel expenses, they want to hear music and not a speech.
It doesn't bother me and I don't boo, but I can understand why many would get annoyed or upset.
The closest I came was during the first solo EV tour. EV wore that Bush mask and a guitar tech or someone came out dressed as the devil to give him a blow job. I personally wasn't offended, but I Just rolled my eyes because I didn't pay that money to watch Eddie act out a blow job. The thing went on long enough to have played another song, so I think it was fair to say I was annoyed. But I remember thinking if people were upset over those other incidents, I was surprised there wasn't a bigger reaction to that one. 

You did pay to see Ed do whatever he wanted to do. You just created an expectation that didn’t match reality. 

And you’re comparing a Pearl Jam show to a root canal? Zinger. 

Oh, these chit chats with the crowd are also planned breaks. Sometimes they’re political, and sometimes they’re a story with a local connection. But MFC is bashing away for hours and the man needs a drink and to sit and chill. 

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

sweeperman said:

They booed because he was talking / lecturing.  It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.  

We can hear our parents lecture us for free.

Sing, Sing. Sing

if you don't know what to expect at an EV/PJ show, then that's your own fault. 

I know what to expect when I go in for a root canal. 
Just because they know what to expect doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.

I agree they have the right to say and do whatever they want. They've also earned it at this point. But I also see the point with ticket prices now approaching $100 each, and many spend 10 times that in travel expenses, they want to hear music and not a speech.
It doesn't bother me and I don't boo, but I can understand why many would get annoyed or upset.
The closest I came was during the first solo EV tour. EV wore that Bush mask and a guitar tech or someone came out dressed as the devil to give him a blow job. I personally wasn't offended, but I Just rolled my eyes because I didn't pay that money to watch Eddie act out a blow job. The thing went on long enough to have played another song, so I think it was fair to say I was annoyed. But I remember thinking if people were upset over those other incidents, I was surprised there wasn't a bigger reaction to that one. 

You did pay to see Ed do whatever he wanted to do. You just created an expectation that didn’t match reality. 

And you’re comparing a Pearl Jam show to a root canal? Zinger. 

Oh, these chit chats with the crowd are also planned breaks. Sometimes they’re political, and sometimes they’re a story with a local connection. But MFC is bashing away for hours and the man needs a drink and to sit and chill. 

I didn't pay to see Eddie do whatever he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure if he stood there for an hour clipping his toe nails we'd all be entitled to our money back.
I didn't compare a root canal to a PJ show. I was just saying I don't get how if I know what to expect, that still doesn't mean I can't be disappointed. I can attend 100 shows and know exactly what to expect, that still doesn't mean I can't cross my fingers and hope for no political talk, just as much as I can cross my fingers and hope they won't close with Indifference again. Knowing what to expect and hoping for my perfect show are two unrelated things.

You should factor in past behavior into your expectations. You know they are probably going to play Do the Evolution, and not play Strangest Tribe. There will be stage banter. This is guaranteed. You can set yourself up for disappointment if you want though.
 

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side. 

Solid point Hugh. And unfortunately you have a hell of a lot of "blind" followers of Eddie.

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side. 

Nah. If the band were not progressive I probably wouldn't be going to their shows because I probably wouldn't like the band that much. My love of PJ is very much tied to their activism.

Simple fact is the art world tends to be progressive, that means I can be more picky than a conservative when it comes to what I can choose to enjoy. Conservatives don't have much to pick from so they have to settle...or listen to garbage like Ted Nugent and Toby Keith. 

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

sweeperman said:

They booed because he was talking / lecturing.  It's that simple. If we pay $100 for a music concert we want to here music.  

We can hear our parents lecture us for free.

Sing, Sing. Sing

if you don't know what to expect at an EV/PJ show, then that's your own fault. 

I know what to expect when I go in for a root canal. 
Just because they know what to expect doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.

I agree they have the right to say and do whatever they want. They've also earned it at this point. But I also see the point with ticket prices now approaching $100 each, and many spend 10 times that in travel expenses, they want to hear music and not a speech.
It doesn't bother me and I don't boo, but I can understand why many would get annoyed or upset.
The closest I came was during the first solo EV tour. EV wore that Bush mask and a guitar tech or someone came out dressed as the devil to give him a blow job. I personally wasn't offended, but I Just rolled my eyes because I didn't pay that money to watch Eddie act out a blow job. The thing went on long enough to have played another song, so I think it was fair to say I was annoyed. But I remember thinking if people were upset over those other incidents, I was surprised there wasn't a bigger reaction to that one. 

You did pay to see Ed do whatever he wanted to do. You just created an expectation that didn’t match reality. 

And you’re comparing a Pearl Jam show to a root canal? Zinger. 

Oh, these chit chats with the crowd are also planned breaks. Sometimes they’re political, and sometimes they’re a story with a local connection. But MFC is bashing away for hours and the man needs a drink and to sit and chill. 

I didn't pay to see Eddie do whatever he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure if he stood there for an hour clipping his toe nails we'd all be entitled to our money back.
I didn't compare a root canal to a PJ show. I was just saying I don't get how if I know what to expect, that still doesn't mean I can't be disappointed. I can attend 100 shows and know exactly what to expect, that still doesn't mean I can't cross my fingers and hope for no political talk, just as much as I can cross my fingers and hope they won't close with Indifference again. Knowing what to expect and hoping for my perfect show are two unrelated things.

You should factor in past behavior into your expectations. You know they are probably going to play Do the Evolution, and not play Strangest Tribe. There will be stage banter. This is guaranteed. You can set yourself up for disappointment if you want though.
 

I agree.
I just didn't agree with the previous comments that questioned why would you complain about a show when you know how it is going to turn out. Anyone is just as entitled to hope for the best and set themselves up for disappointment and complain about it afterwards as Ed has giving a political talk.
It doesn't bother me. I Just find it funny that a lot of people jump on those who do complain about it, and complain about their reaction to Ed's speeches. When the same thing can be said about them, why would you come onto the AMT and continue to read threads about people being unhappy with certain aspects of the show and tell them they shouldn't complain about it because you should know what to expect. 
If people want to be unhappy every minute Ed isn't singing a song, let them be unhappy about it.

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side. 

And his name would not be Ed, it wold be Ted. 

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side. 

Solid point Hugh. And unfortunately you have a hell of a lot of "blind" followers of Eddie.

I'm not a blind follower of anything... and if Eddie were pro-Bush or republican I don't think the band would even exist, let alone have a huge liberal fan base, so it's a moot point, not a solid one.

So your saying their success is tied to their liberal political views?  You think if they were republican they wouldn't be the band they are today? 

Well, they would have to rewrite most of their songs for a start.

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side. 

Solid point Hugh. And unfortunately you have a hell of a lot of "blind" followers of Eddie.

How do you determine if someone who agrees with Ed is blind vs. able to see?

all celebrities have SOME blind followers, and this band is different. mcgruff was not saying that all people who agree with ed are sheep. just some. 

Go Beavers said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side. 

Nah. If the band were not progressive I probably wouldn't be going to their shows because I probably wouldn't like the band that much. My love of PJ is very much tied to their activism.

Simple fact is the art world tends to be progressive, that means I can be more picky than a conservative when it comes to what I can choose to enjoy. Conservatives don't have much to pick from so they have to settle...or listen to garbage like Ted Nugent and Toby Keith. 

This reminds me of when I shared my theory in the PJ facebook group about the majority of artists and musicians being liberal because they fall higher on the empathy scale. Some conservatives there were super defensive, coming up with all kinds of things like artists just pose as liberals for marketing and show, and that it’s really about a 50/50 conservative liberal split. Also that conservatives make up half of Pearl Jam’s fan base. 

Those conservatives obviously don't know shit about the art community.

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing to note......I haven't heard one democrat complain about Ed's banter. If he was pro-Bush or pro-any republican, I'm pretty sure the complainers would be from a different side. 

Solid point Hugh. And unfortunately you have a hell of a lot of "blind" followers of Eddie.

I'm not a blind follower of anything... and if Eddie were pro-Bush or republican I don't think the band would even exist, let alone have a huge liberal fan base, so it's a moot point, not a solid one.

So your saying their success is tied to their liberal political views?  You think if they were republican they wouldn't be the band they are today? 

Well yeah. I mean, I really said I believe that their success is tied to Eddie's liberal political views, because the rest of the band is also liberal, and I definitely don't think they would have gone along the same path if Eddie wasn't liberal as well. But let's say they were all republican.... there is no way they would have found that success or gone down the same road at all because all their music would have been way different, their vibe would have been way different. I think their fate was built on a very thin and perfect platform, and it could have easily toppled one way or the other if things hadn't gone precisely the way they did ... Think of it in terms of the butterfly effect. Do you really think Ten would have been Ten if all the stars hadn't aligned they way they did and the band didn't have the core beliefs that they happen to have? I don't. And without Ten being Ten, the band would have likely faded into obscurity before it ever got off the ground, if they even found each other in the first place, which they probably wouldn't have. Besides, what massive 90s Seattle grunge bands do you know with a massive rise to fame and huge fan base who were led by Republicans? Lol. It wouldn't have worked. The whole Seattle sound wave was a liberal thing, or anti-establishment, don't you think?